Taufeeq is a fantastic slip catcher Karina. it was strange seeing him patrolling the boundary while lumbering fast bowlers were fielding in close.
And yes Karina, if dew wasn't a significant factor, we shouldn't have changed our decision according to what happened in the previous match. It's the thought process that worries me, i have no problem with the fact that India were the better side on the day.
Miandad and feudal. 
Re: Imran Khan peeved at Pak loss
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I feel the pain of Imran. This is the man who created World Champions out of a nothing team. This is a man under who's leadersip Pakistan beat India in India. Again, with half the talent we have today. How sad it must be for him to see such a talented side capitulating like that. Really, truely sad.
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I feel the pain of Imran. This is the man who created World Champions out of a nothing team. This is a man under who's leadersip Pakistan beat India in India. **Again, with half the talent we have today.* How sad it must be for him to see such a talented side capitulating like that. Really, truely sad.
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I think this what hurts Imran the most. I believe since the world cup in 96, he's rated every worldcup Pak team as being better than one he led in the 92 cup. And yet, Pak team despite promising much has delivered little.
Agreed. One of the reasons why people always listen to the great Khan is that his teams were tough as nails, his leadership qualities unquestionable, and he really did get fantastic results from ordinairy players.
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Taufeeq is a fantastic slip catcher Karina. it was strange seeing him patrolling the boundary while lumbering fast bowlers were fielding in close.
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xtreme, a good fielder is a good fielder anywhere. afridi wouldn't have dropped that catch. i'm curious as to why a good player like afridi should be treated like this. he's like shewag, brainless batting. but these guys are always a worry for the opposition.
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Agreed. One of the reasons why people always listen to the great Khan is that his teams were tough as nails, his leadership qualities unquestionable, and he really did get fantastic results from ordinairy players.
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He was an amazing captain. I dont think he ever shared his secrets with anyone, hence everyone was clueless when he left. But the other day he did mention that whenever he went into the ground he always believed that noone was better than him. And that his team could beat anyone. Arrogant but it worked. He said if a captain can convince himself that he's the best, then he can convince his team that they're the best and that they can win. And if he can't do that, the team will just follow the drooping shoulders of the captain. I dont think we have that quality in many Pakistani captains of the last decade. Wasim Akram probably had half of Imran's conviction but his legacy was polluted for other reasons.
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xtreme, a good fielder is a good fielder anywhere. afridi wouldn't have dropped that catch. i'm curious as to why a good player like afridi should be treated like this. he's like shewag, brainless batting. but these guys are always a worry for the opposition.
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we have to wait 10 games n then comes a game when afridi's a worry for the opposition. sehwag is a little more smart then afridi.
as for taufeeq, give this guy a break. its totally unfair to bring a guy, only in the final game of a series, aur woh bhi pak-india ke series. pressure got the better of him, thats wat happened.
as for imran, well most of his suggestions are correct n pak team obviosly needed a bowling coach, even before this series. althou i don know how effective will a guy like aqib will be, because these are stubborn guyz n i'm not sure how much respect will he be able to garner among the fast bowlers. * wasim ya imran hotay tu aur baat thee*
also, with all due respect his suggestion to the bowlers to go all out is just bull sh*t, u need to keep a tidy line n length, n that will get u wickets n also tie down runs. his approach was gd during his dayz, because batters had the patience to wait for the bad balls, now they no more have that - both in odi n test cricket.
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a good fielder is a good fielder anywhere.
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what rubbish.
Would you have Mark Taylor (an ace slip fielder) patrolling the sweeper position or charging in and returning bullet throws from square/fine leg?
Close-in fielders rely on reflexes and are expected to 'take' the ball safely on most occasons. Patrollers on the boundary rely on speed and accuracy and are expected to 'attack' the ball. It's not necassary a player will be good at both.
Well the question is .... what if Pakistan had the Trophy in its hand .... do u really think that we (guppies) + all the cricket gurus + wanna-be cricket gurus would've slammed Pakistans mistakes in that series ???
i guess no because once u've won it overshadows unfortunatly all ur mistakes and problematic areas ..... true is that *"times when Pakistan could simply rely on inspiring bowling + apropriate handling of bowlers according to the match situation are surely over" * and even when these kinda magic occur it occurs only once in a blue moon ......
Since Miandad we've seen improvement in batting + a new batting star is born (Yasir Hameed) ...... but what about the Nation that use to produce Fast Bowlers of international caliber who could ran through the best batting line ups even on batting beauties ?????
No i'm not asking for waseem and waqar but for what use r Shoaib + Sami if they r not able to bowl straight .... yes Straight ...... There is a simple logic for every kind of pace bowler: in order to get the Batsman Out u've to make him Play ... once u see the Batsman is having his own choice what to play and what to leave while u r bowling u'r surely doing something wrong .... this way u'll get punished and we saw the best examples of it ......
If u r express pace bowler like Shoaib + Sami then u should just bowl straight and try to make the batsmen play ...... BTW i was told that by German who saw the Windies bowling quartet in their prime ..... *if neccessary bowl around the wicket towards the area between WK & 1st Slip .... keep the lenght a bit short and place the fine-leg to deep gully + a 3rd man !!!!! * i said r u crazy ...... he said just try it out ..... i did this and i must admit with we had great success ..... Desperate times ask for desperate measures
This ain't a winning formula for Pakistan but i guess everyone has realised by now that we've to handle our resources according to the situation ..... I say Yoyo for Captain ..... Remember him during the SA-series ???
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what rubbish.
Would you have Mark Taylor (an ace slip fielder) patrolling the sweeper position or charging in and returning bullet throws from square/fine leg?
Close-in fielders rely on reflexes and are expected to 'take' the ball safely on most occasons. Patrollers on the boundary rely on speed and accuracy and are expected to 'attack' the ball. It's not necassary a player will be good at both.
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i am talking of catching. well, i'm judign from seeing indian fielders sometimes changing positions. for eg sehwag stands in slips but he has taken very good catches in the deep and mid off.
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sehwag stands in slips but he has taken very good catches in the deep and mid off.
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Sehwag might be a good catcher in any position, he is not as strong a fielder in the deep as he is in a pure catching position. I saw him being quite ordinary in the outfield in the 3rd ODI.
Laxman is a good slips catcher but will be just as good at say long off when Razzaq is smashing the ball around? I don't think so. So, I think Diablo's point stands.
The pharse Dhobi Ka Kuta, Nah Ghar Ka, Nah Ghat Ka suits Imran Khan. He can't find attention in politics, neither in Cricket. Poor guy is living in the era of 1992. Tsk
My complaint about Imran is not to diminish whatever he was as cricketer or otherwise. I just find it a bit irritating that he always has the answer after the fact and when given a chance to directly do something, doesn't want to.
I personally heard it when he said Pakistan needs a bowling coach. he was offered the job and he demured and said Aquib should do it.
I think he wants the top PCB job and considers everything else below his dignity. He certainly will consider doing anything under Miandad under his elite status