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Javed Kanwal is a street slanderer and a fabricator. He is not important enough to get replies from Ahmadiyya movement every time he opens his trap. Jang Group is an influencial media organization which is at fault here by publising such defamatory and false articles. They are in court now. Only time will tell who is right and who is wrong. you can ask Jang group about what is happening. I will wait for the court decision.
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There is no court case according to jang group.
What about other question?
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This was weeks before the court case. Kanwal has not acknowledged the fact that he will be going to court to defend his statements.
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Try answering kanwal.+ My other question :)
jazak sahreef
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Bao jee,
<What is the official reply of Mirza masroor after this interview of Jang Reporter in which he claimed qadiyanis as ones behind the blashphemous cartoons?>>
Their is no need for “official” responce every time a person decides to post stuff in a newspaper, and that too in a Pakistani newspaper like Jhung. Ahmadis were instructed to respond where it matters, i.e. holding Sirat-un-Nabi meetings where non-Muslims are invitied so they know about the beautiful and peaceful true life of Holy Prophet (saw) and write articles in local news papers to educate the greater mass.
<<-Are the figures of alfazl true? how do you calculate who have entered in your religion and why claiming that such many people have entered in your religion where as the OFFICAL stance of mirzais is that they are part of muslims.>>
Yes, these numbers are true. If its the first time you came across them then you are a bit behind. Jamat-e-Ahmadiyya has been posting these since the first Aalmi Ba’iat started in 1993. The figures are kept based on the signed baiat forms that are collected. Everyone who choses to accept Ahmadiyat has to sign these ten conditions of ba’iat, along with this ba’iat form. At the upcoming Jalsa Salana UK the Aalmi Ba’iat is planned for Sunday July 30th 1:10 p.m. local London time, you can watch it live online at MTA.
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In this thread i have asked two valid questions from ahmedis and am still waiting for thier reply.
Your are more then welcome to contribute in a construtive way.
Fi Aman illah
WHO R U ? How can u decide who is "kuffar" or not?
u know whaT? u know NOTHING about the ahmadiyya muslim community.
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Dont you have anything better to do? why can't you just let them be. *(Islam never gave persmission to demeen other people's beliefs*) and on the day of judgement you are going to be questioned about your faith and not theirs! So worry about that! And listen your signature is just disgusting!
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Well said. Fully agreed.
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Allah:swt: and Rasool:saw: gave us the guidance of whole nine yards about Imaan and who is Kaafir based on such criteria. Any one who denies** ANY of the following** by tongue and/or actions that:
1- Allah:swt: is one
2- Muhammad:saw: is the last prophet and apostle of Allah
3- All other prophets of Allah before Muhammad:saw: uptil Syedana Isa:as:
4- All the Books revealed to the prophets
5- Angels
6- Destiny that Whatever happens, happens but with the permission of Allah
7- Day of Judgement
is a kaafir and if one doubts about judgment and all that indeed one has certainly doubted about the perfect guidance of Allah & His Rasool..
Having said that, Ahmadies believe that Ghulam Ahmed Qadiyani was a prophet which denies the second article of faith above.
He was not Ibn-e-Mariyam, Isa:as: who was the prophet appointed before Muhammad:saw:… In fact he was Ibn-e-Charaagh Bibi..
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btw not to sidetrack the discussion, but where does this list above come from?
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Salaams Brother ravage
Allow me to reply for Brother Anwar,
Umar ibn Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, relates: We were sitting in the company of the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, when suddenly a man arrived. He was wearing clean, white clothes and his hair was jet black.
He did not look as though he were a traveler and he was not known to any of us. He sat down close to the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, his knees touching the knees of the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him.
He said: “O Muhammad, tell me something about faith.”
The Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, replied:
"Faith is that you should believe in:
Allah,
His Angels,
His Books
and His Prophets;
that you should believe in the Day of Judgment and that you should believe in the Divine Laws relating to good and evil." (Tirmidhi)
There are many ayahs of Quran which confirm the above as the Essence of Belief for a Muslim.
The messenger believeth in that which hath been revealed unto him from his Lord and (so do) believers. Each one believeth in Allah and His angels and His scriptures and His messengers - We make no distinction between any of His messengers - and they say: We hear, and we obey. (Grant us) Thy forgiveness, our Lord. Unto Thee is the journeying. 2:285
“Unto Thee is the journeying” relates to Day of Judgement.
The following ayahs relate to Qadar - Divine Will
Say: “Nothing shall ever happen to us except what Allah has ordained for us. He is our Maula (Lord, Helper and Protector).” And in Allah let the believers put their trust. 9:51
To whomsoever among you who wills to walk straight, And you will not, unless (it be) that Allâh wills, the Lord of the 'Alamîn (mankind, jinns and all that exists). 81:28-29
I stand to be corrected if wrong.
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r qadiyanis allowed for hajj or mecca?
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Read Maulana Modudi's book about:
"Khatm-e-nabuwwat"
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No. They have their own kaba, paradise, janat-ul-baqi in Rubwa, Pakistan and maybe some other holy sites in glasgow. Their “hoors” comes from either of these places mainly from glasgow.
Mirza Qadiyani never even saw Makkah or Madina. So much for prophethood. :halo:
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Jaan Leva is excatly right. Qadiyanis jannat is in rabwa.
Be careful about Qadiyanis because alot of times it is hard to distinguish them from us.
There was two qadiyani men who used to come to Masjid-e-Ashrafia but later on Hazrat Maulana Aslam Naeemi caught them.
Be careful with Qadiyanis. They are dangerous.
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Sadique bhai, Walekum assalam!
Long time, no see hope everythings well with you.
Thank you for your reply. Would someone who believes in everything listed in the hadis be regarded as a Muslim? Or are there other criteria too, going strictly by this hadis we cant call Ahmadis (or most offshoots of Islam) non Muslim.
If there are other criteria who added those, and who came up with the more fleshed out list (compared to the hadis) that Anwaar posted?
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The two other references from Quran are:
4:136 O ye who believe! Believe in Allah and His Messenger, and the scripture which He hath sent to His Messenger and the **scripture which He sent to those before **(him). Any who denieth Allah, His angels, His Books, His Messenger., and the Day of Judgment, hath gone far, far astray.
2:285 The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His apostles. “We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His apostles.” And they say: “We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys.”
and as for Muhammad:saw: being the last, Quranic reference:
33:40 Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.
And Prophet:saw: said: La nabi Illa Ba’di that is* There is no Apostle after me.*
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ravage 
YUSUFALI: Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.
PICKTHAL: Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets; and Allah is ever Aware of all things.
SHAKIR: Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the Last of the prophets; and Allah is cognizant of all things. 033.040
Authenticated Hadith is Complimentary to the Quran.
Everybody except the Qadiyanis understand that the above ayah of the Quran has declared the Finality of the Prophethood. Thus every Muslim has to believe that the Prophethood has ended with coming of Prophet Muhammad (saw). To ram this point home the Prophet (saw) had much to say – thus we have hadith on the subject.
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And Prophet:saw: said: La nabi Illa Ba’di that is* There is no Apostle after me*
Exactly brother. :k: Jazak Allah
Masha-Allah good work.
Allah Hafiz,
Ajmal.
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First attachment is from ahmedia.com and second one ( Number of bayah) is from alislam.
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Qadiyanis do perform hajj illegally.
Some do considerd salana ijtimah holier then hajj but still mirzais consider hajj an important event.
Ahmed Jee -
It may appear to be true butdwhat do you say about what mirza jee endorsed in his life/said in his books that were derogatory to many prophets including Hazur :saw:
*Kamil ahmed in Qadiyan etc (Naql e Kuffar kuffar naba shud)
If these figures are considerd true then approx every third person in muslims world is mirzai.
Consider this with the annual fund/donation/bhatta (chanda) the jammaat recieve, so much difference.
Hopefully i will reply back in approx one month time inshalah, Bit busy nowadays.