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*Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad: *
poor Afia, brainwashed by society and the mullahs to the extent that she is left being against something without even knowing why she's supposed to be against it in the first place..
I'd only like to bring one point up.. if one criticizes scientific research and discards it for being everchanging, one must wonder at the absence of religious research and why they think research declaring something to have come from the prophet cannot be discarded in favor of later research finding the earlier dogmas untrue and fabricated.
read the Qur'an and you'll find appeals to humanity to look around and observe their surroundings.. the universe works on principles which are mathematical in nature and so is music.. it's a part of this world we live in.
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PA... i don't know wat is behind your assumtion of me being brainwashed :)
you can say watever you like to ....but remember i have my own views just like you ...n my views are not result of brain washing ...i like to think with my own brain ....n if you say i'm brain washed by mullahs etc. its not difficult to say for me either .....:)
both of us (rather i would say ) all of us have our own points ...but the only difference i can point out so far is ...i just don't start bashing someone coz he doesn't hold the same view as me
you can see ppl mould the religion even to the extent that there is a group of 'muslim gays' n they too have many things to prove it in their way
so the bottomline is :
fret asked for our views ...n i shared mine .....!!!
if i wasn't welcome here ...i should have been told earlier
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*Originally posted by Afia: *
fret ...u understand very well ...which music you were talking about
to me chirping birds to flowing river everything is a music ...but i'll say evil to one which is not natural n is disliked by holy prophet
now don't twist it ...you understand my point very well ...don't you :)
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Afia, there is only 1 type of music, and that's music with melody. All music has melody, including the chirping of birds, so please answer my question :)
Afia, my comments on your views is a way of sharing my views on the subject.. why would you ever assume i control this discussion and who does and does not participate in it?
If one is following opinions, one does need to exercise their knowledge Allah gave them to ascertain for themselves if it is indeed the right thing to do.. suspending our own thought process and abandoning intellectual and critical thinking could indeed be very un-Islamic..
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n mehnaz ....i try to abstain from accusing someone of something ....have u seen me doing that....????:)
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What are you talking about Afia? I asked you a question out of curiosity. Not once did I mention anything about you making false accusations about others. I haven't accused you of anything so kindly refrain from puttings words into my mouth.
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sorry Mehnaz ...but i got the impression from the following statement you made to fret when he asked me a question
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I will not be surprised if you are accused of blasphemy by that statement! :)
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i honestly say sorry if i was wrong :)
on a side note to all: please i don't feel comfortable being sooo much in opposition ...iprefer to stay in background ....so please if you don't like my view/ disagree ...just ignore me
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*Originally posted by Afia: *
a beautiful voice is God given ...not man m,ade....!!:)
n its enough ...tell me i shouldn't dare to pop up in any thread when it comes to expressing ur views
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Having a beautiful voice doesn't make it musical. Creating melody makes it musical, and melody is man made, so the recitation of the Holy Quran in a melodic form is definitely man made.
Also, a beautiful voice can be created by training. :)
Afia, you have a right to your opinion just like I, Fret and PA do. Don't feel that you can't express yourself....I may not agree, but then again, who cares what I think? The whole point of GS is to discuss various opinions on different topics. If it is all one-sided, it will get boring. :)
Again, I don't recall anybody asking you not to state your opinions. Don't get upset. If it is something you truly believe, then say what you feel. Nobody, as far as I know, has asked you not to state your views. :)
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but then again, who cares what I think?
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I agree :p
Music is something to be cherished whether man made or godsent. I am amazed that educated people are having debates over the merits of something that gives joy.
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*Originally posted by funguy: *
^ How about babies exposed to Alam Lohar and Noor Jahan?. Do they function properly in life?. I know for a fact that Mehdi hasan's listeners make painful facial gestures while talking to the opposite sex.
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You are really something :D Waisay point to be noted...
I wish I knew how to play violen. Wonder whether they offer any classes here.
Fret, I agree with you. Not just music but any form of art, if introduced from an early age can be beneficial for the child to help develop other aspects of his/ her personality. Well I dont know whether its scientifically proven or not but such children are more sensitive in my view and peaceloving...
As for the debate abt introducing and inducing the religious beliefs in ones child at an early age; you know what interestingly one of my cousin is a hafiz, alhumdollilah and on top of that the child is pretty well informed abt the latest trends and songs in this industry. :)
Deen or dunya ko sath sath lai kar chalna parta hai. If I have a passion for music, good songs, melodious voice; I sing to my hearts desire and try to make the most of it :-D that doesn't mean that you loose the rightous path...but well if its such music as that produced by the metal bands that takes one to the path of drugs and sex and blah balh, than I deem that as evil....... no offence Fret :)
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but well if its such music as that produced by the metal bands that takes one to the path of drugs and sex and blah balh, than I deem that as evil....... no offence Fret :)
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Fretty, I agree with you completely. Music is human creativity at it's best. I have studied music all my life, my college minor was music too. Have been playing the Piano for 18 some years. Find it very relaxing.
Learning to play music at a young age definitely gives a kid confidence in many other desciplines, most importantly, mathematics. Music IS mathematics for the most part. Playing an instrument definitely sharpens cognitive skills, hand/eye coordination etc.
Afia, the Quran does NOT forbid music. You say that anything forbidden by the Prophet is evil to you, what about things that aren't forbidden in the Quran? Do you think that the Prophet went around forbidding things that were NOT forbidden in the Quran?
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Fretty, I agree with you completely. Music is human creativity at it's best. I have studied music all my life, my college minor was music too. Have been playing the Piano for 18 some years. Find it very relaxing.
Learning to play music at a young age definitely gives a kid confidence in many other desciplines, most importantly, mathematics. Music IS mathematics for the most part. Playing an instrument definitely sharpens cognitive skills, hand/eye coordination etc.
Afia, the Quran does NOT forbid music. You say that anything forbidden by the Prophet is evil to you, what about things that aren't forbidden in the Quran? nDo you think that the Prophet went around forbidding things that were NOT forbidden in the Qura?
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i'm no more in mood of debate ....its a wide subject you want me (if u really want) to open my mouth about
but well if you are really willing to listen n not beating hell out of my point ....you are welcome to open another thread on the line
"Do you think that the Prophet went around forbidding things that were NOT forbidden in the Quran"
