Impeachment move may fail, say US experts

Most probably Mush will resign.

Impeachment move may fail, say US experts -DAWN - Top Stories; August 13, 2008

WASHINGTON, Aug 12: Pakistan’s ruling coalition may not succeed in impeaching President Pervez Musharraf because the army will not like a former chief to be impeached, observes the official US radio, Voice of America.

It quotes Christine Fair, a Pakistan expert with a US think-tank called the RAND Corporation, as saying that the army is not too fond of President Musharraf for his more controversial actions, but it also wants to avoid any messy proceedings that could smear the army’s reputation.

“The army is in kind of a pickle. It does not want to defend Musharraf,” she says. “But it also does not want its institutional equity to be dragged through the mud, when it is already down and out. So, I seriously doubt that they are [the government] going to get the numbers for an impeachment.”

Ms Fair, who has authored several books on Pakistan and speaks Urdu and Punjabi languages, believes the army will communicate to the government its discomfort with the impeachment move “one way or the other. And I think the army is going to be pretty active in subverting an impeachment”.

Teresita Schaffer, a former deputy assistant secretary of state for South Asia, tells VOA that “an impeachment could force the army and the one-time general (Musharraf) back into each other’s arms.”

She says that while the army does not want to stick its neck out any more on Mr Musharraf’s behalf, it may not allow him to be impeached either.

“At what point, and with what combination of provocations, have things reached a point where the military leadership will say, ‘You know what, this is not working, we are going to have to go back to our old way of doing things’.”

VOA notes that the bid to impeach the president raises two seemingly contradictory questions: What took the coalition government so long to make what would appear to be a popular political decision? On the flip side, why move against a president who is, for all intents and purposes, effectively devoid of power?

Ms Fair of the RAND Corporation says the Pakistan People’s Party, the senior partner in the ruling coalition, has been more willing to cut deals with the president, particularly because such bargaining won an effective legal immunity for party leader Asif Zardari.

“The very things that got it (the PPP) and also Nawaz Sharif so many votes are the very things that it is disincentivised from moving on,” Ms Fair says. “It does not want to restore the judges. It really does not want to impeach Musharraf because it made deals with Musharraf. And the National Reconciliation Ordinance, of course, is the basis that absolves Zardari from so much from the alleged, and probably likely, wrongdoing.”

Ms Schaffer believes it is very likely that Mr Sharif’s patience wore out, and he threatened to pull out of the ruling coalition, unless his demand for impeachment was met. But, she adds, another power-sharing deal might have been worked out.

“If there were a deal in which Zardari got to be president and Nawaz got to be prime minister again, how would that work? You know, on one level, it sounds like the basis for a concordat,” she said. “At another level, it sounds like a nightmare.”

VOA defines two scenarios: President Musharraf could pre-emptively resign. As president, he also retains the power to dismiss the parliament. But most analysts believe that would be a huge misstep that would only accelerate his impeachment.

“The wild card remains the military,” says VOA, adding that it will play a key role in determining whether the move to impeach the president succeeds or fails.

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This army needs to be slapped in the face. This impeachment is a democratic procedure and they need not show their resentment or mingle in our parliamentary affairs. If its hurts their ego so much, they need to stop imposing coups then. Also, what achievements do they have under their belts that makes them think so highly of them, that a little bit of humiliation in the form of their ex-dictator getting impeached will cause so much badhazmi? They need to stay quiet and let the parliament do its job. The nation is already fed up with them because of the internal conflicts. This is a big litmus test for Kiyani.

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spock bhaijan, army doesnt need slap from such slappers, yeah if themselves were angels and good leaders sure they had every right to slap the army to be in barracks only. when everything is messy, army will not get slap on the face.

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So are you saying the army should step in and prevent Musharraf's ouster? Shameful indeed.

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I am not saying army should come again and send everybody packing and the wet dreams of all will be finished overnight in to adiyala jail.

All I am saying only people with morals have right to teach morality! and as its not there in any of the goons, Army will not step in but will not let such lo morals slap the army on the face as you suggesting.

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They are not teaching morality. They are following a simple democratic procedure, which is constitutional and getting rid of a dictator. This is causing alot of heartburn to supporters of the dictator, but they need to realize that this is what the people of the country want.

If the army is upto no good again, we are going to have 1971 again. And please spare us the story about army having high morals, as these morals were no where to be seen in 1971 when a similar situation emerged. Lets not talk about what they did over there.

I agree. Once Mush go home after impeachment, perhaps no adventurer in future will dare to derail the democratic process which is until now the norm since partition. Country is in very much need of democracy to compete progress with India.

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musharraf dissolves assemblies cuts a deal with military, gets a free pass and and then resigns. that possibility is still there.

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^ and whatever is left of the army's ragged tagged reputation in the eyes of people goes down the drain.

In present circumtances it is highly unlikely. Military may ask him simply to resign to avoid impeachment and save the image of army.

well the last emergency did not do wonders there either, so one can not be certain that this is a paththat will not be taken. the possibilities are still there however slim they may be. the exposure that military, especially ISI has these days with the civilian adminstration playing a strange game may play a role too.

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Kiyani so far means business, even Musharraf's handpicked stooge/relative head of the ISI Taj cannot meet Mushy on duty without asking for Kiyani's permission. Kiyani has also fired a couple of generals for violating this rule. However, with that said, Kiyani was picked by Musharraf too, so it might be a topi drama.

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kiyani came from ISI, an ISI seems to be in crosshairs in some circles right now, we cant assume that Kiyani would let any ass clown politician to allow external entities from messing with his ISI

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I think he is well aware of ISI's failure, and the west's danda to put a lid on it.

just aware?
did he not lead ISI until just a few months ago?

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Yes, even some of the pro Musharraf MQM propagandists here were stating how the ISI is a big network where the chief has no control over the rogue association, mainly because they were trying to make musharraf come out clean (since he appointed his bhanja to run the ISI). Bottom line is this, the ISI has accomplished nothing but bizti for Pakistan. If the politicians want to finish off the ISI, they should have all the power to do so. We are in no position to have a rogue intelligence agency with a poor track record, and justify it because they try to destabilize India. Also, since Musharraf has pretty much handed Kashmir to India on a nice dosa platter, we no longer require their valuable service. Please note I didnt mention the ISI's disaster when it comes to other neighbouring countries, esp the one on the north west.

The famous "notification retraction" ;-)

Kiyani who ran ISI until a few months ago is musharraf's bhanjs? wow news to me.

while the failures of national intelligence agencies in many cases are there for ppl to see, their internal workings and what exactly have they safeguarded the nation from are not widely known, do we really know everything ISI has done? or RAW, or Mossad, or CIA or MI6?

You or I dont have the internal knowledge to make that statement.

and Kashmir issue was lost the morning of 9/11,I said it then.

ISI is run by Musharraf's bhanja right now, Nadeem Taj. When I replied to some MQM propagandists, who were calling it a rogue organization, by stating who runs this 'rogue' organization, they replied by telling me how its not just run by one person but a chain of people. I am just letting you know since you are claiming the ex-chief kiyani knows all about his former organization.

I dont see how what you spoke with some people at some point in time in some thread is relevent in the discussion here. Regardless, the point is not whether he knows all or not, The point is that he is from ISI and he is not going to let it go down the drain.

Nadeem Taj is running ISI now, for a handful of months. Before him it was Kiyani and the argument that he did not know may be a good pingpong exercise on forums but I doubt that external concerned parties will buy that, and I believe Kiyani is smart enough to know that.