Imams join plea for gay tolerance

In my city, a few senior members of the Muslim community came out with a public letter with Christian ministers, against according them more legal rights. At least in Canada, this would be pretty unheard of.

Imams join plea for gay tolerance, Stephen Bates
The Guardian, 26 September 2003

Muslim religious leaders have joined Christian and Jewish leaders for the first time in issuing a joint plea for tolerance for gay people.

In an open letter written in support of Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, the group, which includes two bishops, has criticised incitement to religious hatred and aggressive proselytisation as practised by some fundamentalist evangelical Christians.

Dr Williams has been targeted by hardliners in the Church of England for his suggestion that same sex relationships need not always be regarded as sinful.

The joint letter, issued today to coincide with Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish new year, calls on believers of all religions to unite in opposition to extremism.

It states: “We affirm our resolute support for Dr Williams’s endeavours and we rededicate our efforts to fighting fundamentalism, aggressive proselytism and homophobia, and to defending the values of tolerance, inclusiveness and respect for differences which we all cherish.”

The letter is thought to be the first time that Islamic leaders have spoken out against homophobia and there were concerns by the two who signed the letter, both ministering to university students, that they might be criticised for their stand.

Muhammad Yusuf, the chairman of the Council of University Imams, one of the letter’s organisers, said: “All forms of fundamentalism, whether fundamentalist Islamist or fundamentalist evangelical, are abhorrent to the values of Britain’s multi-faith and multicultural society. It is time for the moderate majority of Christians, Jews and Muslims in this country to lose their wishy-washy liberal image.”

Other signatories included six liberal and progressive rabbis, among them Julia Neuberger; John Gladwin, the Bishop of Guildford; Boutros Salih, Bishop of the Chaldean Orthodox Patriarchate; and Richard Kirker of the Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement.

The group is also concerned about attempts by some evangelical groups to target British Catholics, Jews and Muslims for conversion. The letter calls it a “dark threat” to multifaith harmony, using aggressive and defamatory tactics.

The move follows turbulence within the Church of England over the aborted appointment of its first gay bishop, for the Reading diocese, earlier in the summer and the refusal of some evangelicals to accept Dr Williams’s appointment last year because of his perceived liberalism on the issue.

At last weekend’s evangelical conference in Blackpool, speakers said that apparent Biblical attitudes to homosexuality could not be amended or reinterpreted. One vicar compared liberal Anglicans to concentration camp commanders.

Al Aiyaaz billah!

May Allah give guidance to those who are astray!

disgrace to islam and the community....

that guy pretty much lost his credibility.

i think the closest Islam can come to relenting wrt gays is adopt the same attitude we adopts towards imbeciles (should NOT be read as equating gays with imbeciles at a moral level...i mean more at the physical level)....

very unfortunate, but what can you do?

"Council of University Imams" ??? Never heard of them , and they don't even seem to have a web presence. I wouldn't be surprised if it's just another front organisation for deviated gay Muslims.

Probably another one of those mod Imams. Going along with the mainstream, for the sake of this world instead of the Hereafter.

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Probably another one of those mod Imams. Going along with the mainstream, for the sake of this world instead of the Hereafter.
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Liberal imams is better term.....

Shame, that some people will bend over backwards to any extend to be counted as a ‘Liberal Muslim’ (There is no such thing as ‘Liberal Muslim’ anyway.), so that they can move around in right circles. This may be due to studying Islam is western universities under to curriculum set by the Non-Muslim.

Such people will compromise anything to be counted among the ‘enlightened ones’.

Shame on him from me.

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Very true. It sickens me to see how much some Muslims are willing to warp Islam to fit into the norms of decadent society - they would see Islam head the way of Christianity. Decades, if not centuries ago, the Christian churches decided to be less rigid on issues of morality as western society went that way, in a vain attempt to not appear irrelevant to the times. The result was that Churches in fact lost more and more influence. The Churches failed to act as beacons for moral behaviour and instead have been swept along by the tide of social indecency - something they are now realising far too late, when the rot has spread so far as to the very heart of the Anglican Church in particular.

Islam must not go the same way. For decades, Islam has stood as the unswerving bastion of morality without compromise, something that is now paying off with the increasing wave of Islamic zeal slowly but steadily building up in Muslim lands despite the world at large becoming increasingly liberal. This stance for the truth must continue.... "imams" such as the one in this story would seek to but torpedo Islam and turn it into the increasingly toothless tiger that is Christianity today.

In islam..religion is between a man-god…islam preaches tolerance…if you are not tolerant towards homosexuals..as they have a relationship directly to allah..then you are unislamic. Q.E.D. Now all you kuffar are going ot hell for being unislamic. Have a nice day. :wave:

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For decades, Islam has stood as the unswerving bastion of morality without compromise, something that is now paying off with the increasing wave of Islamic zeal slowly but steadily building up in Muslim lands despite the world at large becoming increasingly liberal. This stance for the truth must continue.... "imams" such as the one in this story would seek to but torpedo Islam and turn it into the increasingly toothless tiger that is Christianity today.
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I hope you don't fall off that high of yours when I point out that Muslims really can't lay claim to the bastion of morality more than anyone else. One man's version of morality is another man's view of intolerance, judgment and hate (immoral).

Should religion have teeth? If it does then it makes the whole concept of tolerance, love, kindness, family, untiy..kind of an oxymoron.

Are these imams really in the right job?

just like u cant think of equality and tolerance towards criminals, u cant think of such towards homosexual ppl....
they r outlaws as they disobey God's commands and shud be punished....

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just like u cant think of equality and tolerance towards criminals, u cant think of such towards homosexual ppl....
they r outlaws as they disobey God's commands and shud be punished....
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If there is indeed punishment due, it is God's job to judge and punish. Not yours, the government, society or religious institution. Even if homosexuality is a sin, it is not a crime. Comparing tolerance of criminals to that of homosexuals makes as much since as comparing it to the sin of judgment (which is a sin in my beliefs). So as an 'outlaw', do you deserve to be punished by society?

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In islam..religion is between a man-god...
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That is man-made belief that religion is between a man and God. Islamic teachings are not the same as you think. There are two different set of responsibilities, one is haqooq-Allah (responsibilities towards Allah swt) and the other haqooq-al-ibaad (responsibilities towards society). Both are mandatory, pick and choose is not allowed.

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If there is indeed punishment due, it is God's job to judge and punish. Not yours, the government, society or religious institution. Even if homosexuality is a sin, it is not a crime. Comparing tolerance of criminals to that of homosexuals makes as much since as comparing it to the sin of judgment (which is a sin in my beliefs). So as an 'outlaw', do you deserve to be punished by society?
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so u mean to say that robbers, rapists, frauds, etc etc shud all be let go without punishment????

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so u mean to say that robbers, rapists, frauds, etc etc shud all be let go without punishment????
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Of course not, those are crimes against society. Society should punish. Perceived crimes against God are for God to judge and punish.

gay tolerance is not equal to gay acceptance. i'm hoping whats implied here is that gays shouldn't be targeted for hatred, and physical abuse. they have rights as humans, just like everyone else.

being gay is not a sin, acting it out is. even if you act it out, it amounts to a sin, not a crime.

now if these imams are saying being gay is A-OK, then they're not representing islam in my opnion. if they're saying we have to be tolerant, then i don;t see anything wrong with that..

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I hope you don't fall off that high of yours when I point out that Muslims really can't lay claim to the bastion of morality more than anyone else. **One man's version of morality is another man's view of intolerance, judgment and hate (immoral).
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