Imam Mehdi is here???

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^reading about the lives of these great ancestors of our Prophet (saww), one thing is for certain that at that time there was no match of their character and nobleness. They were the shining beacon of guidance on the land of Arabia. They were the protectors of the message of Ibrahim (as) and history books testiy to this fact. Once Rasool Allah (saww) declared his mission and prohibited the Arabs from drinking, fornication, gambling, etc, the Arabs said that this was the ways of their grandfathers but not for once did anyone point a finger at the fathers and the grandfathers of our Prophet (saww). This is a clear evidence of their high level of submisiveness to Allah (swt). Its a great shame that Muslims have forgotten their own history and have even physically destroyed most if not all of their own heritage (thanks to the Wahabis).

What is your understanding of the words "among them" in the verses I mentioned?

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^From among them, i understand the people in whom He is sent, that is Arabs, the same words "among them" also come in last verse of Surah Tubah about Prophet pbuh, where it cannot be implied to be a Bani HAshim or Qureish.

Yes indeed his forefathers were noble people, however they were not guides to the people, no such mission was assigned to them, nor were they infallibles, in short none of the things that you deem necessary for Imam Mahdi to have.

Yes i agree that its a great loss that most of Islamic history has been destroyed, now generations of muslims can only read the history books, and can never appreciate the historical landmarks by themselves. Not related to topic but just out of curiosity is Karbala land preserved or does it just have mosques and multi-story buildings.

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^So all the Arabs that the Prophet (saww) came to were submissive and devouted to Allah (swt) as per the dua of the Hazrat Ibrahim and Hazrat Ismail (as)? (you could read a useful commentary on these verses here:Al-Mizan By Allamah Tabatabai)

who said they were like Imam Mahdi (as) ?

The places of religious significance have been perserverd magnificiently despite many Nasibis rulers that Iraq has been ruled by. Iraqi people and their love for the Prophet and his family (pbut) is amazing and they are a great great host.

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pretty valid, however i asked the came question to a known shia scholar; he answered me. the following is one statement from his answer.

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"Even successors and vicegerents of prophets can enjoy the position of ‘Hujjah’ which is an indication that there were ‘Hujaj’ (plural) in the time separating prophet Jesus and Prophet Mohammad. We have traditions that state one of them as being “A’abi” and traditions that say Abu Taleb (Imam Ali’s father) was Jesus’ last successor.

This should explain the tradition you mentioned, for there must always be a 'Hujjah' alive in the flesh on this earth, but not neccessarliy a prophet."
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Sayed Mahdi Al Hussaini Al Modarresi

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pretty valid, however i asked the came question to a known shia scholar; he answered me. the following is one statement from his answer.

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"Even successors and vicegerents of prophets can enjoy the position of ‘Hujjah’ which is an indication that there were ‘Hujaj’ (plural) in the time separating prophet Jesus and Prophet Mohammad. We have traditions that state one of them as being “A’abi” and traditions that say Abu Taleb (Imam Ali’s father) was Jesus’ last successor.

This should explain the tradition you mentioned, for there must always be a 'Hujjah' alive in the flesh on this earth, but not neccessarliy a prophet."
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Sayed Mahdi Al Hussaini Al Modarresi

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Being 'sure' as it were, does not mean you are correct. Here is some information which I HAVE read. please take the time to read it yourself, and consider the 'relevance' of it's content. Words after all, such as Muawiah, Yazid, Khilafa, Ghadir and Saqifa all relate to the immediate events leading to the murder of 'The Mahdi's' ancestral grandfather, Imam Hussain, IF you believe that The Mahdi as it were, does indeed happen to be a 'Fatemi'.

Narrated Jabir ibn Samura: I heard the Prophet (s) saying:
"There will be Twelve Commanders." He then said a sentence which I did not hear. My father said, the Prophet added, "All of them will be from Quraysh."
[Sahih al-Bukhari (English), Hadith: 9.329, Kitabul Ahkam; [/CENTER]
Sahih al-Bukhari, (Arabic), 4:165, Kitabul Ahkam]

The Prophet (s) said:
"The Religion (Islam) will continue until the Hour (Day of Resurrection), having Twelve Caliphs for you, all of them will be from Quraysh."
[Sahih Muslim, (English), Chapter DCCLIV, v3, p1010, Tradition #4483; Sahih Muslim (Arabic), Kitab al-Imaara, 1980 Saudi Arabian Edition, v3, p1453, Tradition #10]

The Sunni Scholar ibn Al Jawzi says:

The first Caliph of Bani Umayya was Yazid ibn Mu'awiyah and the last, Marwan Al-Himar. **Their total is thirteen**. **'Uthman, Mu'awiyah and ibn Zubayr are not included as they were among the Companions of the Holy Prophet (s).**

If we exclude Marwan bin al-Hakam because of the controversy about his being a Companion or that he was in power even though Abdullah ibn Zubayr had the support of the people. Then we can get the figure of Twelve. … When the Caliphate came out of the Bani Umayya, a great disturbance arose. Until the Bani Abbas established themselves. Hence, the original conditions had changed completely.
[Ibn al-Jawzi, Kashf al-Mushkil, as quoted in Ibn Hajar al-'Asqalani, Fath al-Bari 16:340 from Sibt Ibn al-Jawzi]

Jalal ud Din Suyuti says the following

**There are only twelve Caliphs until the Day of Judgement.** And they will continue to act on truth, even if they are not continuous.

We see that from the twelve, four are the Righteous Caliphs, then Hasan, then Mu'awiyah, then Ibn Zubayr, and finally 'Umar bin 'Abd al-'Aziz. They are eight. Four of them remain. Maybe Mahdi, the Abbasid could be included as he is an Abbasid like 'Umar bin 'Abd al-'Aziz was an Umayyad. And Tahir 'Abbasi will also be included because he was a just ruler. Thus two more are yet to come. One of them is Mahdi, because he is from the Ahlul Bayt (a.s.).
[Al-Suyuti, Tarikh al-Khulafa, Page 12; [/CENTER]
Ibn Hajar al-Haytami, Al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqa Page 19]

**Confused?**

We need another Sunni scholar to finally clarify who these Twelve Successors, Caliphs, Amirs and Imams really are:

The famous scholar al-Dhahabi says in Tadhkirat al-Huffaz, vol. 4, p. 298, and Ibn Hajar al-'Asqalani says in al-Durar al-Kaminah, vol. 1, p. 67 that Sadruddin Ibrahim bin Muhammad bin al-Hamawayh al-Juwayni al-Shafi'i was a great scholar of Hadith. The same Al-Juwayni reports from Abdullah ibn Abbas (r) from the Prophet (s) who said, "I am the chief of the Prophets and Ali ibn Abi Talib is the chief of successors, and after me my successors shall be twelve, the first of them being Ali ibn Abi Talib and the last of them being Al Mahdi."

Al-Juwayni also narrates from Ibn 'Abbas (r) from the Prophet (s): "Certainly my Caliphs and my legatees and the Proofs of Allah upon his creatures after me are twelve. The first of them is my brother and the last of them is my (grand) son." He was asked: "O Messenger of Allah, who is your brother?" He said, "Ali ibn Abi Talib" Then they asked, "And who is your son?" The Holy Prophet (s) replied, "Al Mahdi, the one who will fill the earth with justice and equity like it would be brimming with injustice and tyranny. And by the One Who has raised me as a warner and a give of good tidings, even if a day remains for the life of this world, the Almighty Allah will prolong this day to an extent till he sends my son Mahdi, then he will make Ruhullah 'Isa ibn Maryam (a) to descend and pray behind him (Mahdi). And the earth will be illuminated by his radiance. And his power will reach to the east and the west."

Al-Juwayni also narrates that the Messenger of Allah (s) informed: "I and Ali and Hasan and Husayn and nine of the descendants of Husayn are the purified ones and the inerrant."
[Al-Juwayni, Fara'id al-Simtayn, Mu'assassat al-Mahmudi li-Taba'ah, Beirut 1978, p. 160.]

'The WHOLE community as it were, or 'The Ummah', in Shi'ah terminology specifies 'The Islamic Leadership' in the form of the legitimate Imamate, rather than The Masses, who by the way, were indeed responsible for the Shahadat of Imam Al Hussain. This becomes indeed clearer, when you look at the percentage of 'Muslims' who happened to be on the side of Mu'awiahs son, whilst only 72 fighters represented the party that was on the the right.

That party my friend, IS the Ummah.

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Here is something you might be interested:

DeenIslam.Com - Aamad e Sayyedna Imam Mahdi AS - Part 1By:Shaykh-ul-Islam Dr Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri

DeenIslam.Com - Aamad e Sayyedna Imam Mahdi AS - Part 2By:Shaykh-ul-Islam Dr Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri

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Shaykh Google zindabad

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Salaam.
I would like to add that I believe that Imam Mehdi is truly Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi, and I do not understand where the shirk is in that!

About Allah's name being on Gohar Shahi's left hand- many people may be offended by it, but they do admit that it is at least there. I mean, *the fact that ALLAH's name is on any part of someone is a very big thing...it is a sign and a blessing! ***

Beside this, it is important to note the significance of someone's true image being manifested on the moon.

Imam Ja'afar Sadiq said, "The face of Mehdi will appear on the Moon."
With this, it is important to understand the difference between the words MEHDI and Mahdi, which are often confused with each other. Mehdi means "The One of the Moon" (Fitting, is it not?) and Mahdi means "the Learned One (The one able to render guidance)."

**Also, one should remember that it is not possible for any human being to make any image on the physical Moon. Even with technology today, it would be impossible!

*So, if the image IS there (which is true), then it should be thoroughly investigated. This is what Syedna Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi was saying in that video, aqeel123. But from the above references and the fact that Gohar Shahi's image is on the Moon, it is already pointing to the fact that Imam Mehdi is Gohar Shahi.
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On numerous occasions, this image on the Moon has granted Zikr-e-Qalb of ALLAH to aspirants and has even spoken with people in all languages. No ordinary picture could do that. **You could test this out yourself, on a day when the full Moon is in the East.

Besides this, the image of Imam Mehdi Gohar Shahi is on the Sun, Hajre Aswad, and many other places. *The fact that the image is on the sun fulfils one hadith which states that Imam Mehdi will not come until His image is manifested on the surface of the Sun. *Hajre Aswad, which has the image of Gohar Shahi inside of it, is between Rukhne Yumni and Moqaam-e-Ibrahim, fulfilling the hadith about it.

Many orthodox scholars, especially in Pakistan, do not agree with Syedna Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi and HIS TEACHINGS of Love of God because His teachings are universal- the teachings are meant to guide anyone and everyone from whatever religious background, not just Islam. He teaches PRACTICAL spiritual love of God, which was confined to the elite of the religions before. Abu Harera said: I obtained to types of knowledge from Prophet Mohammad. I already told you one of them, but if I told you the other one, you would kill me. This is the second knowledge that is being made available to all of us by Imam Mehdi. Those scholars and those biased people in the government have instigated false cases of BLASPHEMY against His Holiness because HIS TEACHINGS do NOT declare that Islam is the best religion, but rather that whosoever loves GOD is above all others. They did not like this, hence they tried to discredit His name so people who did not know about Him would have the wrong impression.
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However, the one way to make sure somebody is truly from Allah is to test them. If they, through one simple glance of Nazar-e-Keemia, can connect you with GOD, then You would have to admit that HE is at least some sort of holy person. **
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I urge You all to investigate the signs of Allah (as advised by Imam Mehdi Himself) as to not be deprived or end up rejecting someone from Allah because of lack of research.
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I would like to parry that and say I believe The Mahdi is a direct descendent of Fatema tu Zahra and that he is none other than the 12th Imam, son of the 11th successor to the Prophet Mohammed Imam Hassan Al Askari.

Furthermore, there are millions upon millions of Muslims from around the world in countries like Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Kuwait, Bahrain, Azerbaijaan and Lebanon who believe the same.

The 12er Shi'as have had this belief with them for over a thousand years and you, and the followers of Riaz Ahmed have had theirs for a maximum of around twenty.

Omirockthisworld in my you tube coversations with him, openly states that his leader Younus Gohar is not a muslim. 'how could he be', he says implying that it will prevent other religions from being converted to this cult.

All the other previous psuedo Mahdists fell out of the fold of being popularly acknowledged as Muslim as well. My appeal to the Muslim Ummah is this. When anyone other than the son of the 11th Imam stands up to say he is The Mahdi, that man will divide the Ummah instead of unite it.

Be safe. Follow Mohammed and his family. Do not forsake them for Mu'awiah and then in turn forsake them for Yazid. Otherwise there will be more of the likes of Younus Gohar to contend with.

Omara. Your appeal to the Muslims to take Mr Shahi as their saviour, is an appeal to the ignorant, it is an appeal to those who have no insight or knowledge to the issues relating to the legitimate succession to Muhammed, through his family.

My appeal to the all the Muslims is to save yourself from this blasphemy, by strengthening your foundation in Islam, so that you may understand the legitimate inheritance of power unto Fatema tu Zahra, her husband Imam Ali and her sons Hassan and Hussain.

Younus Gohar is the Yazid of our times. He has snatched the status the sons of Al Zahra, whose shrine has been bombed in Samarra, Iraq, whilst wanting the world to pave their way toward only himself.

Their are twelve numbers on the clock Omara. Twelve hours in the day, twelve new moons in the year and only twelve chances within that time for a woman to get pregnant.

TWELVE.

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Brother, If you believe, and million of muslims believe, but its not the proof. how can you make other to believe that he is here?

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Brother I can't 'make' you believe; both you and I know that The Qur'an states that there is 'no compulsion in Islam'. Of course, majority in numbers don't constitute proof in itself either. But, staying with Mohammed and his purified family, I am saying, constitutes a safer bet than recognising Mu'awiah and then in turn Yazid as the legitimate leaders of the Ummah.

THE NEWS that The prophet Mohammed's family, is 'here' however IS pretty clear. The next time you read your salaat and in the tashhud recite "Allah bless Mohammed and his family, as you blessed Abraham and his family" I want you to consider the relevance of that for the people who lived in the time when Fatima tu Zahra was born and Imam Ali was Mohammed's closest relative.

When Mohammed passed away the citation of these words within the prayer were still relevant. For Mohammed stated that 'I am a part of my family and they are a part of me', so he existed therefore, through them, ie Imam Ali, Fatemah, Imam Hassan and Imam Hussein.

The belief is that their is a head to each family. When Mohammed was alive, he was the head of his own family. When he passed away, The Shi'ah believe that Imam Ali as took over the role, and it was the intention of Mohammed for him to take over that role, and that is evidenced by the fact that he was wedded to Fatemah and became the father of Rasoolallah's own grandchildren ie, he was not only the Imam of the time, but the Imam over his sons Hassan and Hussein.

The reigns of leadership after Ali's death went into the hands of Imam Hassan and then, after his Shahadat into the hands of Imam Hussein. All the while, during that time the muslims were asking either knowingly or unknowingly for Allah to bless this 'family', the heads or 'Imams' of whom, were still in existence. Amongst the ones who pondered not over the words in their salaat, were the armies of Yazid in The Battle of Karbala, who in their desire to say Salaat ul Asr on time, decided that the battle should finish and Imam Hussein's head should be chopped off. They then went on, just as all the muslims do in the present day, to say their Salaat and asked Allah to bless Mohammed and his family in their tashhaud, whilst Imam Hussein's head was raised aloft on a spear.

The family, that Allah had ordered for the muslims to bless in their daily salaat however, were still in existence, the head of whom was the eldest surviving son of the battlle of Karbala, Imam Zain ul Aaabedin. Instructions as to what to do, how to behave, to stay in the burning tents for fear of their veils being ripped off or to save their own lives and the lives of the surviving children, were taken from him by Seyyedah Zainab.

If you care to take note, over who succeeded who in the line of this succession from the time of this fourth Imam, Zain ul Aabedeen you will understand there is a distinct and clear line that takes us up to the twelfth Imam Mohammed Al Mahdi alayhissaam, leading us away from The Ummayyad and Abbasid regimes which were the furthest cry from the intended ideal of Islamic governance that Mohammed (sa) had desired.

This distinct and clear line, takes us also, clearly away from the mileu of existing Seyyeds, whether they be good or bad, in the form of sunnis, shi'as, wahhabbis, Ismaili's, sufis and even qaadiyanis, to a unity and ideal that has united nations such as Iran and groups such as Hezbollah in Lebanon in the present day, proving themselves to be a formiddable and influential force in the muslim world.

The idea of 'waiting' for the leader, or the present day Imam to appear, should be viewed in the light of the fact that he exists, in the same way that perhaps Noah existed (ie for a very long time), in the same way that Jesus exists in heaven and the way that Khizr exists on earth. Satan has also existed for a very long time. It only stands to reason, that if Mohammed passed away whilst other Awlia and Prophets (ie, Ilyaas) were still alive then why the claim that he is the greatest of them? What was his purpose and why did Allah bestow children for him and not for Jesus?

In Surah Aale Imraan vs 84 Allah orders Mohammed to say "We believe in Allah and in what has been sent down to us, and what was sent down to Ibraheem, Isma'eel, Ishaaq, Ya'qoub and Al Asbaat (the offspring of the 12 sons of Ya'qoub), and what was given to Moses, Jesus, and the Prophet's from their Lord. We make no distinction between one another amongst them and to Him we have submitted ".

If the likeness of Mohammed and his family is INDEED to that of Abraham and his family then their parallel by virtue of what the Qur'an states also corellates with the above verse.

I am leaving it to you to put the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle up together but certainly wish for you to take solace and comfort in the fact that the harmony that exists within the revolving of the earth and the passing of time which is measured by the months of the Islamic year are encapsulated by the vision of TWELVE brightly shining full moons.

Ya Imam Al Mahdi
The Fullness of the moon
On the 15th of Sha'baan
belongs only to you
and no one else can take it
for however hard they try
We know that Hazrat Eesa
Will your enemies defy.

And that one my dear sir, is for Mr Younas Al Gohar.

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I will still stick to this one as it is explained through Quran and Sunnah not by SHSYKH GOOGLE

Here is something you might be interested:

DeenIslam.Com - Aamad e Sayyedna Imam Mahdi AS - Part 1By:Shaykh-ul-Islam Dr Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri

DeenIslam.Com - Aamad e Sayyedna Imam Mahdi AS - Part 2By:Shaykh-ul-Islam Dr Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri

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If when you reffer to me as ‘Shaykh Google’ You imply that I cut and paste then I shall say the information with the quotations on ahadith pertaining to ‘The Twelve Imams’ within Sunni literature was done purely to prove that my opinions were based upon informed sources rather than ‘Jahil Mullah speeches’ as the gentleman had earlier tried to imply.

My previous post is a reply, in my own words, to the quotation cited.

Tahir ul Qadri’s speech starts by clarifying the difference in view of The Shi’ahs and The Sunnis with regard to Imam Al Mahdi. We say he has been born. You say he has not. Although I haven’t had the time to listen to all of it, I would be greatful if you could point out areas that you may think are more specifically worthy of my attention, by typing them out. Urdu, is not my first language.

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Dear Saqi

Although the popular conception is that the prophet said "I leave behind for you two things; The Qur'an and my sunnah", it is a fact that the stronger narrations amongst the books of the Ahle Sunnah state the following and I quote:

Prophet Muhammad’s Legacy

“I am about to answer the call (of death). Verily, I leave behind two precious things (thaqalayn) amongst you: the Book of Allah and my Ahl al Bayt. Verily, the two will never separate until they come back to me by the side of the Pond.”

This authentic hadith from the Prophet Muhammad (s) is narrated by over 30 of his Companions and recorded by a large number of Sunni scholars. Some of the famous sources for this hadith include:

  • al Hakim al Naysaburi, al Mustadrak `ala al-Sahihayn (Beirut), volume 3, pages 109-110, 148, and 533). He expressly states that the tradition is *sahih* in accordance with the criteria of al Bukhari and Muslim; al Dhahabi has confirmed his judgement

  • Muslim, al-Sahih, (English translation), book 031, numbers 5920-3

  • al Tirmidhi, al-Sahih, volume 5, pages 621-2, numbers 3786 and 3788; volume 2, page 219

  • al-Nasa'i, Khasa'is’Ali ibn Abi Talib, hadith number 79

  • Ahmad b. Hanbal, al-Musnad, volume 3, pages 14, 17, 26; volume 3, page 26, 59; volume 4, page 371; volume 5, pages 181-2, 189-190

  • Ibn al 'Athir, Jami` al*'usul, volume 1, page 277

  • Ibn Kathir, al Bidayah wa al*nihayah, volume 5, page 209.  He quotes al-Dhahabi and declares this *hadith* to be *sahih*.

  • Ibn Kathir, Tafsir al-Qur’an al-‘Azim , volume 6, page 199

  • Nasir al-Din al-Albani, Silsilat al-Ahadith al-Sahiha (Kuwait: al-Dar al-Salafiyya), volume 4, pages 355-8. He lists many chains of narration that he considers reliable.

    Although I support the fact that you are not obligated to rely upon my own explanations, I would ask you to consider that prior to the compilation of Sahih Al Bukhari (and the speeches of Tahir al Qadri) 'The Sunnah' as it were, consisted primarily of the teachings of Islam via the interpretation of Imam Ali and The Prophet's remaining family members.

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Peace Seyyed Naqvi

There really is no difference in the two hadith types:

Qur'an and Sunnah or Qur'an and Al-Bayt are and can be consdiered synonymous. Such that in order to preserve the Qur'an and Sunnah the Bayt were there to continue the legacy of Muhammad (SAW).

Al-Bayt were the experts on the mannerisms, the personal affairs and dealings of Muhammad (SAW) to preserve and respect them meant the preservation and respect for their knowledge of him (SAW).

As Muslims were preserve and respect and guard all three Qur'an, Ahl-al-Bayt and as a result the Sunnah.

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I was not referring you to as Shaykh Google, I have seen many people onthis forum who cut and paste and therefore i avaoid taking part in discussion. We don't have the discussions to learn but to prove our point which I think is wrong.

To be honest with you I don't like taking part in discussions where you don't learn anything except hatred.

So if you are interested then I would advise you to listen the speech yourself as my translation might not be the same and rdu is not my first lingo either.

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what do you mean by this?

i think "to learn" and "to discuss" can go together but the mode is different. when you are discussing, obviously you will face opposing views, and somebody have to prove his points. however we learn from discussion. but the two persons who are discussing an issue are on equal status.

however when you are "learning" that is totally different. one person is teaching, and other is learning. no doubt we discuss issues during learning but the teacher is always on upper hand and the person who is just learning is always on lower hand. The student who oppose a teacher in learning while he is in a discussion, he is no more a student in that particular issue. this is what happens. he reserve a right to open another school to teach on that issue, if he feels that he is absolutely right and the teacher was wrong. this was a result of a discussion not learning.

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Read it carefully:

We don't have the discussions to learn but to prove our point which I think is wrong.