Imam Ali (a.s.) in the Bible (interesting)

yeh make sense

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“Prayer is a shield for the believer. When you knock on the door repeatedly it is sure to be opened for you. - Imam Ali (as)”

"..Say (O’ Muhammad unto mankind): I do not ask of you any reward for it but love for my relatives(Ahlul-Bayt)"Holy Quran(42:23)

(after his last pilgrimage) the Holy Prophet (saw) stood to give us a speech beside a pond which is known as Ghadir Khum & said,"I am leaving for you 2 precious things.First of them is the book of Allah in which there is light & guidance…
The other one is my Ahlul-Bayt.
I remind you in the name of Allah about my Ahlul-Bayt.(3 times)Sahih Muslim,Chapter of the virtues of the companions, section of the virtues of Ali,1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, Arabic version,v4,p1873,Tradition #36.
Then the Prophet held up the hand of Ali and said:“Whoever I am his leader,Ali
is his leader.O God,love those who love him,& be hostile to those who are hostile to him.”(Sunni hadith:
Sahih Tirmidhi,v2,p298)
The Prophet said to Ali:"Glad tiding O Ali!Verily you & your companions & your Shia followers will be in Paradise."Sunni hadith:Hilyatul Awliyaa,v4,p3

Hazrat Ibrahim (a.s) had two sons:
Ismael (a.s) and Ishaq (a.s)[Ishaq=Isac=Israel]
Prophet Mohammed (s.a.w.w.) was from Hazrat Ismael (a.s) and his great grandson was our 11th Imam , Imam Hasan Askari (a.s).
Hazrat Ishaq's generation progressed in Israel called banu Israel. Bibi Narjis khatoon was from the ancestory of Hazrat Ishaq (a.s).
Bibi narjis khatoon got married to Imam Hasan Askari (a.s) and our twelth Imam , Imam Mehdi was born from them. Therfore Imam Mehdi (a.s) is the convergence of generations of Ishaq and Ismael (a.s).

tree of two generations:

         Hazrat Ibrahim
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             |
           Hazrat Ishaq (Isaac) and Hazrat Ismael

Hazrat Ismael's generation:
Prophet Mohammed (s.a.w)
Bibi Fatima (a.s)
Imam Hussein (a.s)
Imam Zainul abedin (a.s)
Imam Mohammed baqir (a.s)
Imam Jafar Sadiq (a.s)
Imam Mosa Kazim (a.s)
Imam Ali Reza (a.s)
Imam Mohammed Taqi(a.s)
Imam Ali Naqi (a.s)
Imam Hasan Askari (a.s)
Imam Mehdi al-muntazir(a.s)

Hazrat Ishaq's generation:
Bibi Narjis khatoon
Imam Mehdi al-muntazir(a.s)

Wassalam,
Cool Guy!

BTW: WHICH bible are we talking about here, there are over 100 different, altered-with bibles!!!

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V~V~VHe came, He saw, He conqueredV~V~V**


----*Priest-OF- Painful Truth*----

some of the stuff in new testmant is changed, old testmant is more reliable. Go read it before pointing fingers watcher. You are very quick to point fingers. Did you even read the bibles? Or just because your mullahs told you not to touch it, you never touched it. It still has alot of info that is Allah’s message, though christians changed some info.

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I DO NOT NEED read bible, I HAVE QURAN, confirming what was before it, but no sign of your so-called “12 Imaams or Imam Ali” in quran, go read your holy BOOK QURAN FIRST!!!

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You won’t believe in quran, but you believe in bible, isn’t that Christian like?

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V~V~VHe came, He saw, He conqueredV~V~V**


----*Priest-OF- Painful Truth*----

I HAVE QURAN, confirming what was before it, but no sign of your so-called **“khalifas umer , abu bakr, usman, muawiya, yazid” in quran, go read your holy BOOK QURAN FIRST!!!

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Though these people had been warned in quran on several places!

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ramesha: Genesis 18: 19-20

  • I am sorry to say, this reference of yours is also quite difficult for me to locate. Please do assist me at your convenience. http://dave.mielke.cc/bible/Genesis/018.html (King James Version)

  • However as NYA pointed, the Quran also referes to the same theme, but in a different tense.
    Remember the time when Joseph said to his father, O my father, I saw in a dream eleven stars and the sun and the moon - I saw them making obeisance to me.”[12:05] -the eleven starts referes towards the 11 brothers of Joseph (yusuf) [the 12 sons of Jacob (yaqoob)].

Cool Dude: “Ishaq (a.s)[Ishaq=Isac=Israel]”

Sir if I may correct you over here.

  • The Jewish history began about 4,000 years ago with patriarch Abraham (ibrahim), his son Isaac* (ishaaq)* and grandson Jacob (yaqoob). The Bible relates how Abraham was summoned to be the founder of the new people in a new land and the bearer of new belief in one God.

  • ‘ISRAEL’ is another name of JACOB, given by the God (Genesis chap.32 - verse28). “And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed”.

  • Moreover, Jacob had 12 sons and the twelve (12) tribes of Israel were named after them. (Genesis chap35 - verse23, chap.49 - verse28)

1)Ruben, 2)Simeon, 3)Levi, 4)Judah, 5)Issachar, 6)Zebulun, 7)Asher, 8)Benjamin, 9)Dan, 10)Naphtali, 11)Gad, 12)Joseph (yusuf).

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[quote]
Originally posted by Cool Guy:
**Hazrat Ibrahim (a.s) had two sons:
Ismael (a.s) and Ishaq

tree of two generations:

         Hazrat Ibrahim
             |
             |
           Hazrat Ishaq (Isaac) and Hazrat Ismael

Hazrat Ismael's generation:
Prophet Mohammed (s.a.w)
Bibi Fatima (a.s)
Imam Hussein (a.s)
Imam Zainul abedin (a.s)
Imam Mohammed baqir (a.s)
Imam Jafar Sadiq (a.s)
Imam Mosa Kazim (a.s)
Imam Ali Reza (a.s)
Imam Mohammed Taqi(a.s)
Imam Ali Naqi (a.s)
Imam Hasan Askari (a.s)
Imam Mehdi al-muntazir(a.s)

Hazrat Ishaq's generation:
Bibi Narjis khatoon
Imam Mehdi al-muntazir(a.s)

Wassalam,
Cool Guy!**
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What about the Prophet's other children. How and why have they been omitted?

But whoever disputes with you in this matter after what has come to you of knowledge, then say: Come let us call our sons and your sons and our women and your women and our near people and your near people, then let us be earnest in prayer, and pray for the curse of Allah on the liars."

- Quran 3:61 Ayah-e Mubahila

This verse, known as Ayah-e Mubahila, was revealed when the Christians of Najran had contested Prophet Muhammad's claims to Prophethood and upon the instructions in the above Ayah, a confrontation of sorts was arranged where there would be a settlement of affairs.

As outlined in the verse, each party to the event was to bring their women, their sons, and Anfusana, their nearest of kin and of kind.

The Christians brought a great delegation of clergy and learned scholars whereas Prophet Muhammad summoned Hazrat Ali, Bibi Fatima, and his grand-children Hassan, and Hussain and said: "O Allah, these are the Members of my Household," and led them to the agreed location.

As the Christian delegation saw these Five Purified souls approach, they quickly conferred among themselves and pleaded to call off the Mubahila at their vision of these Holy Spirits. They agreed to not question the nobility of the Prophet and his message again. A treaty was drawn up by Hazrat Ali to seal this agreement and the Muslims were never troubled by these Christians again.

Another major historical incident that proclaimed the importance of Ahl-e Bayt was at the revelation of Ayah at Gadhir Khumm. Eid-e Gadhir is celebrated with great rejoicing by Shia Muslims where they remember Prophet Muhammad's last instructions to the believers.

"O Messenger (Prophet), deliver to the people what has been revealed to you from your Lord and if you do not do so then you will not have delivered His message and Allah will protect you from the people. For God does not guide those who reject Faith." Ya 'ayyuhar Rasoolu ballig maa unzila ilayka mir-Rabbik. Wa illam taf'al famaa ballagta Risaalatah. Wallaahu ya'simuka minan naas. Innal'laaha laa yahdilqawmal kaafiriin. Quran 5:67

The foregoing verse was revealed to Prophet Muhammad in 632 AC, before he called a halt at Gadhir Khumm, 3 months before his demise. The Prophet thence declared "'Man Kuntu Mowlahu fa haza Aliyun Mowlahu (audio)' - 'He of whomever I am the Master-Lord (Mowla), Ali is his Master-Lord (Mowla). Prophet Muhammad had been discoursing all the other revelations among the muslims regarding the tenets and practice of the faith and about material life, and what could this verse of surpassing urgency mean and why was he admonished that if he did not reveal that message then his mission would be unfulfilled! Why had he been warned so strongly by Allah to deliver the message right away.

According to Shia Muslim tradition, Prophet Muhammad had been apprehensive about declaring his own son-in-law and cousin Ali ibn Abu Talib, as his spiritual (Amirul Momineen, Commander of the believers) and secular (Caliph, King) heir, for fear that it would divide the nascent muslim community and in the above revelation God reassures him.Prophet Muhammad felt great relief upon accomplishment of his mission and thereupon received the final revelation: "This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion" Quran 5:3. Several verses in the Quran speak about the Light of God and Rope of Imamat which is a continuous chain (Hablillah) since Hazrat Adam, through all the Prophets including, Noah,
Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad and after him through the hereditary Imams. The Mahdi - Savior that is referred to by all Prophets and religions is referred to the Noor of Allah, Living and present . Allahuma Salli 'ala Muhammadin wa Ahle Muhammad.

JIS KO QURAN NAY NAFS E NABI BATLAYA
AFSOOS! OSKO MUSALMANOUN NAY NA PEHCHANA

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Originally posted by Sherazz:
** ahmed Imam ARE Prophets family..it would be nice if u learn a few things bout ur religion..also read my signature
**
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The question I asked is for ramesha sherazz not for you.You haven't even addressed that question anyway.And don't.I am not asking you.

paglu yaar thats really nice

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waqayee in musalmano nay na pehchana..khair we told them its up to them

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Originally posted by Ahmed:
Isn't it kinda silly to think that imams would be mentioned in bible but not Quran?
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salaam Ahmed,

"Have u ever tried to make an effort to find something in QURAN-SHARIF about Imams/Immamt"

ramesha

WalaikumSalam,
I found nothing.Please enlighten me.

salaam Ahmed,

You have asked me a proper question in an appropriate way so its wajib on me to answer.

Quran says" And when the Lord tried Ibrahim (P) by words which he fulfilled, He said verily I am to make you Imam (leader) over men; Ibrahim (P) implored if also he will be from his progney? ALlah replied (yes,but) His covenant embraces and reaches no wrong-doer’s."
(2:124)

Imamat having functions or duties similar to “Nabuwwat” can never reach to a tyrant or a sinner but to the pure and taintless, surpassing merits through All selection.
Ahmed as you can see in the verse above that Allah has agreed upon passing the Mansab-e-Imammat through Hazrat Ibrahim’s progney (ahl-e-Bayt a.s.). The verse above mentions clearly that Imamt can not be given to zalimeen and quran says one who commits a sin is a zalim (since s/he has done zulm on himself/herself).

Now Ahlebayt (as) i.e. kins of prophet, were attested by Allah to be pure and innocent as a leader ought to be.

Quran says: “O Ahlebayt, Allah only desires to take away from you all abominations of sins and to keep you as purified and taintless as it should be”.
(33:33)

Now such kins and ahlebayt who were pure and spotless were made known by the Holy Prophet (pbuh) as well when he brought them forth in obidience to Allah’s commands when contesting truth and sancticity of Islam with the learned deputation of christians of Najran.

Quran says" And he who disputed with you concerning him (i.e. Jesus, after the truth (knowledge i.e. Quran) has come to you, say to him, come, let us call together our sons and your sons, and our women and your women and those like our souls and - yours like that; Then let us imprecate and invoke Allah to inflicit His curse upon the liars".
(3, 61)

Dear Ahmed, all muslims agree, all 73 sects admit, the prophet cameout with Hazrat Imam Hussein in his arams and Hazrat Imam Hasan at his side- as sons, Hazrat Bibi fatima behind him (representing women) and Hazrat Imam Ali in the rear personifying prophet’s life and soul.

The christians delegates however couldn’t stand the test, their leader said “I am seeing some very noble faces, shall these people curse us, all os us will be vanished”. Its amazing how christians can see and acknowledge the noble faces while today some muslims compare themselves with Prohpet Muhammad and say “He is no better them them”. Anyways, thats entirely diff. topic.

Imamt is vicegerency of prophet (pbuh).

The holy quran says" And make for me a vizier for my people Aaron my brother".
(20,29-30)

The request was granted.

Quran further says" And surely we have already given Moses the book, and made with him his brother Aarom his vizier". (25:35)

From above it is apparent that even prophets were not free to appoint their successors without the approval of Allah. From Adam (as) to jesus, the system appears unchanged and succesor to any prophet was never appointed by people. Bani Israel, of course, selected SAMRI as their leader instead of Aaron, and the result was that they were led to cow-worshiping.

Quran further says: O those who belive: Obey Allah, and obey the prophet and those wcharged with authority (from Allah) amongst you".
(4:59)

Ahmed, the above verse shows that the Ulul-Amr" i.e. those in authority from Allah, are entitled alone to be obeyed implicitly in everything they do or say like the prophet himself and consequently must be as good, God-fearing and chosen by ALlah as the prophet, whom they represent. He must be infallible, pure and sueprior in merits to all as stated above. It ought to be clearly borne in mind that “The Authority” is neither sysonymous nor necessarily identical with the “ruler”.

Ahmed, I can prove alot through hadiths, even from sahihs but abhee quran say aaur clear ho jae ga topic.

In a verse which is acceptedly about Hazrat Ali (as) ALlah says:
“Your patron is only Allah and his prophet and those who believe, who are steadfast in prayers and give alms while they are kneeling in prayers”. (5:55)

Allah, his prophet (pbuh), Hazrat ALi (as) together with the Imams (as) from the descendants of the holy prophet (pbuh), love and fiedlity to whom was ordained and declared Allah as the only recompense for the Prophet’s arduous mission.

Dear Ahmed, you must have heared/read about dawat-e-zul-ashira. Hazoor said: " I do not know any man in Arabis who can make you a better present then i now bring you; i offer you the good both of this world and the life after" Great ALlah has commanded me to call you to him. Who then will be my vizier, my brother, my deputy". When all were silent hazrat Ali said: I will, I will beat out the teeth, put out the eyes, rip up the bellies and break the legs of all that oppose you. I wil be your vizier over them". "Then the apostile of god embracing Hazrat Ali (as) said.“this is my brother, my ambassador, my deputy, pay him obidience”. Upson which abu lahab said to Hazrat Aby Talib (hazrat Ali’s father) “Oh abul talib! look Muhammed is telling you obey your own son”.

ref:
*Al Murtuza; page 9 - hafiz Abdul rahman.
*Maulim-ut-Tanzil
*abu Fida, Nasayi< allam ibn Ashar and many other sunni divines have described the above incident i am quoting.

Ahmad it was no-one but Hazrat Ali (as) who stood beside Hazoor all the way.

Quran says:“And when you are free of the duties entrusted you, appoint and declare (your succesor,as promised) and strive to make yourself ready to retire to your lord”.
(94,7-8)

O prophet, proclaim what has been sent down to you from allah; and if you do not do what has been revealed, you have not proclaimed allah’s message at all. And allah will defent thee against men".
(5:67)

And then AHmed you must have read what happened at Hujjat-ul-Widda (ghadeer-e-Khum). AFter performing the last pilgrimage to Makka the Prophet made formal declaration of his suscessor. He broke the journey and stopped at Ghadeer Khum and muslims were summoned by calling (haeya allah kahirul amal) ‘To hurry and attend the best of deeds’. (this is all in shia/sunni history)

When all has assembled, hazoor went upon the pulpit raised by piling up sadles and delivering sermon demanded how they believed and held him at heart. They replied that he was deare to them than their own souls that he was their “Wali” or Master.
The prophet then raised Hazrat Ali on his hands and proclaimed:

“mun kuntomaula, fahaza ali maula
Allahum-o-al-min-wallah o aad min aadah”

“This Ali is Maula of all those who believe me as thei Maula. Oh ALlah! show thy loveing mercy to those who love him and trest his foes as thine enmies”.

Congratulations were offered band fidelity vowed by the muslims.

It was after the above appointment of hazrat ali that the prophet was assured by allah to have fulfilled his mission

“Today we have perfected for you your religion, and have fulfilled my favour and blessings upon you, and i am pleased for you to have islam as religion”.
(5:4)

At the end let me paste something related to this from an old post of mine:

"**A Jewish team along with an aalim came to Hazrat Ali (as), asking some questions.

Hazrat Ali (as): How many sects are there amongst you?

Raas-ul-Yahood: this and this much

Hazrat Ali (as): No, you are not correct!
(addressing to everyone)
Listen oh yahood! I swear by Allah! I could show you haaq (truth)from Taurayt for you ahl-e-taurayt, I can show the right way from Injeel (bible)to ahl-e-Injeel and i can show haaq to ahl-e-quran from quran.
(then continued)

Ummat-e-Yahood had 71 sects amongst them, of which 70 belong to jahannum and the only one to survive would be the one which obeyed MUSA’s (as) waris Yosheh (as).

Nissara (christians) were distributed in 72 sects of which only one sect is Naaji (right), and thats the one which obeyed the waris of Essa (hazrat Shummaon (as))

Now the muslims ummat will have 73 sects amongst them of which only one sect will get nijjat and that will be the one recognizing Muhammad’s (pbuh) wussi (waris).
(then hits his chest and says)

out of 73 sects, 13 will recognize me and will love me, of which one will be Naaji (right), following me as i deserve, rest 12 will go to jahannum".**

ref: *Bahar-ul Muyarif, Pg 105
*Ahtijaaj Tubsiri, Pg, 311
*Nahaj-ul-Asrar, mun kalaam Haider-e- Karrar (as), Edition II, Tafsser by Allma Zeeshan hayder Jawwadi, Pg 300.

I hope you read the whole thing Ahmed. There is not much cut n paste here, i had to type it all. .

Salaam
ramesha

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Ok wait for sec before you twist your thread on another issue of Imams and Imamat. Ramesha do you know you have to verify your reference first. Somehow your thread is baseless without authentic work.

The verse 19-20 of Genesis, chapter 18 is totally different.

*(I wonder why people cut and paste stuff with out verifying it.) *

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Originally posted by ramesha:
**"Sarah, thy wife, shall bear thee a son and thou shall call him Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant for his seed after him. And as for Ishmael I have heard thee: behold, I have blessed him and will make him fruitful and will multiply him exceedingly, twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation." (Genesis 18: 19-

20)

RAMESA ISAAC SON WAS JACOB AND HE HAS TWELVE SONS AND JOSEPH WAS ONE OF THEM.

TAKE CARE HISTORY CAN NOT BE GENERATED

YOU , SHERAZ AND WATCHER ,

THREE SHOULD MAKE MUCH CARE WHEN WRITING

DANKE **
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Originally posted by Cool Guy:
**Hazrat Ibrahim (a.s) had two sons:
Ismael (a.s) and Ishaq (a.s)[Ishaq=Isac=Israel]
Prophet Mohammed (s.a.w.w.) was from Hazrat Ismael (a.s) and his great grandson was our 11th Imam , Imam Hasan Askari (a.s).
Hazrat Ishaq's generation progressed in Israel called banu Israel. Bibi Narjis khatoon was from the ancestory of Hazrat Ishaq (a.s).
Bibi narjis khatoon got married to Imam Hasan Askari (a.s) and our twelth Imam , Imam Mehdi was born from them. Therfore Imam Mehdi (a.s) is the convergence of generations of Ishaq and Ismael (a.s).

tree of two generations:

         Hazrat Ibrahim
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           Hazrat Ishaq (Isaac) and Hazrat Ismael

Hazrat Ismael's generation:
Prophet Mohammed (s.a.w)
Bibi Fatima (a.s)
Imam Hussein (a.s)
Imam Zainul abedin (a.s)
Imam Mohammed baqir (a.s)
Imam Jafar Sadiq (a.s)
Imam Mosa Kazim (a.s)
Imam Ali Reza (a.s)
Imam Mohammed Taqi(a.s)
Imam Ali Naqi (a.s)
Imam Hasan Askari (a.s)
Imam Mehdi al-muntazir(a.s)

Hazrat Ishaq's generation:
Bibi Narjis khatoon
Imam Mehdi al-muntazir(a.s)

Wassalam,
Cool Guy!**
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oye ahmed jan tumhay nahee maloom hay.

Ramesha Sis Salam,
And I had hoped you would stick to that proper question.As it happens you worte lots of other stuff and I had to read it all,Thrice in fact.Yet I found that only the first few lines actually addressed the question.That is the verse about the dua of Hazrat Ibrahim(A.S.)about his descendants but i)it does not extend indefinitely, ii)Allah made a very conditional promise there.Thus I failed to see any,not even the flimsiest possible referrences to either Hazrat Ali(r.a.)or any of his descendants.All the verse refers is to is that there will be leaders of people from among children of Ibrahim,and we all know there were many prophets from his generations.Well so much for that…

The rest of your post goes into lots of other stuff I didnot request,but still having carefully read through it I noticed one very positive thing coming out of your post.
Out of the 7 or 8 Aayats of Quran you posted 1 or 2 were actually not twisted,distorted in meaning,reduced or edited by you.
So there may be hope yet.

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Anyway thanks a lot for taking out the time to type all that but as you see that ayat 2:124 you posted has absolutely NO refference to Hazrat Ali(r.a.) or imams etc.So the mention of them in Quran is still not established.Once again this quranic verse does not even specify descendants of Hazrat Ismael(A.S.)rather it is general and so it would seem it is an even weaker argument in context then your bible quote.
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salaam Ahmed,

Well you are right i adressed more towards hazrat Ali's succesorship then anythingelse. I will have to take my time to get more ayats on imamat.
I am a very minor student and only have been reading since less then 2 year or so. I will refer you to more ayats indeed.

About Hazrat Ibrahim's dua, the ayat is about when hazrat Ibrahim passed the test by sacrificing hazrat Ismael (as)and in reward Allah is saying that he has made Hazrat Ibrahim the Imam and Hazrat Ali and 12 shia Imams are from hazrat Ibrahim's descendency.

Also, ahmed, this ayat is adressing to IMAMAT, not nabowat as said by you.

Also what do you think about the part where allah said that Imamat will never get to wrong doer>>??

May i ask you what you faith is, I mean what sect do you follow, so i can prove it from the according books if i can....

salaam
rameesha

Salaam All,

Ramesha: Where do you get your English translation of the meaning of Quran from?

I ask this because from the ayats youhave quoted, some of the meaning is distorted.

I'll give you an example:

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Quoted by Ramesha:
Quran further says: O those who belive: Obey Allah, and obey the prophet and those wcharged with authority (from Allah) amongst you". (4:59)
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Here is a version that I have:

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[4:59]
59. O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority. (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger (SAW), if you believe in Allah and in the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination.
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Why was the ayat truncated?

And another example:

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Quoted by Ramesha
Quran says: "O Ahlebayt, Allah only desires to take away from you all abominations of sins and to keep you as purified and taintless as it should be".(33:33)
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Look at the FULL ayat in context

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**
[33:32]
32. O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other women. If you keep your duty (to Allah), then be not soft in speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease (of hypocrisy, or evil desire for adultery, etc.) should be moved with desire, but speak in an honourable manner.

[33:33]
33. And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance, and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah wishes only to remove Ar-Rijs (evil deeds and sins, etc.) from you, O members of the family (of the Prophet SAW), and to purify you with a thorough purification.**
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I'm not going to get into a discussion about Hazrat Ali (PBUH) but I would request that you check your Quranic sources before posting to misleading or incorrect information. Someone may even get the wrong ideas from your post.

Jazakallah

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