thanks
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faisal bhai…now u r right…jammat is never sunnah maukidak…but tarweeh is…as ulema says…
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faisal bhai...now u r right.....jammat is never sunnah maukidak....but tarweeh is.........as ulema says..........
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Assalam Aleekum
First, can you tell me why do you type so many dots.
Second, Paki Ulemas ke TALK PATHAR KE LAKEER NAHEE.
Take Care
Bro Bihari
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well the dots represents the thinking process …the more the dots …the more i had to think for the line…is it satifactory…
i am not talikng about paki ulema brother…ulema in general…hope this helps…
Taraweeh, Hate
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looking forward for a hate free discussion.
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It’s is not a matter of love and hate. It’s a matter of truth and deceit.
Our discussion can’t be hate free. Hate—a strong word, and it is probably important to define it. First understand that what hate is?
Hate is opposite of Love.
In one sense, we should hate. We should hate all evil forces.We should hate that Satan stands for, all that he is and all that he has done. He is perverted, corrupt, a liar and deceptive—causing untold evil during the history of mankind.
If I give you some other (opposing) arguments, which is against your opinion you will think that I am hating. However on the other side I can think the same.
Healthy discussions can help you to understand the opinions of each other. Don’t think that the person who is your opponent is hating, Provided he is giving you reference and telling you things in a decent way. I hope you will agree with this.
When someone tries to make someone believe something that is not true, should not you hate him? Tell me.
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rehman1, you wrote:
Inuit is more interested in Hazrat Umr(r.a) not about Taraweehs. I wonder why.
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rehman1, you wrote:
“the hadith is not about sahbah...it is about later ummah
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The following words in the hadith clearly shows that these words are NOT about the later Ummah. Please, read it carefully. Think over it again and tell me.
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Some persons from amongst my associates,
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they are my companions, they are my companions
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bao bihari, you wrote:
ijmah of sahbah on some issue is binding
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There was no ijmah of Sahaba on the issue of Taraweeh. Umar implemented the Taraweeh prayer without a collective opinion of Jammat of Sahaba or Shura. He never asked Ahle Bait about their opinion.
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bao bihari, you wrote:
this is quite logical.........sahbahs were not (nauzobillah) such pp who will accept any change in islam with out opposing it
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Sorry to say Sahabas generally were not have any authentic value because they were just human being. Each person in Sahaba had his own personal important and was responsible for his own deeds. As Brother rehman1 said earlier. ”They can make mistakes. They were humans, not Prophets or Angels.” Even there was no collective value of Jamat of Sahaba to be considered as divine value after the Holy Prophet (PBUH). Sahaba had opinions different from each other. There was no Ijmah on many issues. Many got up against each other and we follow opinion don’t follow the other. We can’t go with any of them with the clear guideline of the holy prophet (PBUH).
If you discuss this issue Umar will ultimately come in between. Unfortunately he was the person who innovated the Taraweeh prayer after the death of the holy Prophet (PBUH).
There are people, who rush to the mosques to carry out Umar's Innovation of Taraweeh, but these same people don't give preference to Sunnah of Rasool Allah (saww) of Tahajjud and remain asleep at that time.
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Dear rehman1: You said about Sahaba that They can make mistakes. They were humans, not Prophets or Angels.
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Abu Hanifa was not more authentic than Sahaba. He was also not a infallible person. He can do mistakes in his Islamic studies issuing fatawas about religious issues. As it is proved that many of his fatawas are against the authentic Aadeeth. (this is I am writing to inform you, don’t switch the topic here, if you want start another thread to discuss this topic with me).
As I have mention above and proved it from Aahdeeth that Taraweeh is neither Sunnah Mauakadah nor it is Naffal. It is straight forward Bidah.
It was innovated as Sunnah after the death of the holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Prophet never prayed it in the mosque in congregation after Isha’. There is no proof of it.
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If they offer it ALLAH(SWT)will give us more SAWAB.
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If you do bidah with the niyyah of SAWAB. Allah will never give you reward of it. As it is said in hadith. There is Hell-fire for it. (I am mentioning here not to switch the topic again and again, first resolve this issue then talk about other things.)
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Abu Dawud
Book 35. Model Behavior of the Prophet. Hadith 4590.
Avoid novelties, for every novelty is an innovation, and every innovation is an error.
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Hadith Qudsi
Beware of newly invented matters, for every invented matter is an innovation and every innovation is a going astray, and every going astray is in Hell-fire.
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I clarified it that people mix-up this prayer with this Tahajjud prayer which is Qiyam-ul-layl, about which Allah revealed its merits in lots of Aayat in Quran. There is no restriction of month for Tahajud and prayed without congregation after the mid-night and before the Fajar Prayer.
People always provide examples of Tahjjud prayer to prove authentication of Congregation of Taraweeh Prayer and don’t think in depth.
When they don’t find any other answer they simply say:
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bao bihari wrote above:
u dont like tarwaeeh ....dont read it....wait for the dooms day ...( Lakum deenaukum wali ya deen)
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Because they don’t have some strong and authentic proof of this prayer from Quran and Hadeeth.
It is not the matter of liking and disliking. It is the matter of Shariya and Bidah. Note: don’t change the topic here. don’t give other example. First solve this problem then move to others.
I am bringing this reply to end with a request of a healthy discussion once again. Thanks, Waslaam
[email protected]
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quote:
rehman1, you wrote:
“the hadith is not about sahbah...it is about later ummah
I never posted this. Check it again.
I just quoted a reply by somebody.
and one more thing plz be respectful
when you mention Hazrat UmrFarooq(ra)
and other companions.I mean i can only
request.
As i said earlier that Taraweehs are not obligatory like
Fard Namaz.Either you can pray at home or masjid.
The Rasool Allah(SAW) use to do that.
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The view that Taraaweeh prayer is a bid’ah is not valid. Rather we should ask whether it was one of the Sunnahs of ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab, because it was not done at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) but it was done in ‘Umar’s time, or was it one of the Sunnahs of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)?
Some people claim that it was one of the Sunnahs of ‘Umar, and they base that on the fact that ‘Umar “commanded Ubayy ibn Ka’b and Tameem al-Daari to lead the people in praying eleven rak’ahs.” He went out the same night and saw the people praying, and he said, “What a good innovation this is.” This indicates that it had not previously been prescribed…
But this opinion is da’eef (weak), and those who say this are ignoring the reports proven in al-Saheehayn and elsewhere, that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) “led his companions in praying for three nights, and on the third or fourth night he did not lead them, and he said: ‘I am afraid that it may be made obligatory upon you.’” This was narrated by al-Bukhaari (872). According to a version narrated by Muslim, “But I was afraid that prayer at night may be made obligatory upon you, and you would not be able to do it.” (1271). So it is proven that Taraaweeh is part of the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) referred to the reason why he did not persist in it, which was the fear that it might become obligatory; he did not say that it is not prescribed. This fear no longer applied following the death of the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), because when he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) died, the revelation ceased and there was no longer any concern that it might become obligatory. Once the fear that it might become obligatory was no longer present, because the revelation had ceased, then the reason for not doing it was also removed, and so it was restored to its position of being Sunnah.
Please, read it carefully. Hope this is helpful.
What i understand is that Taraweehs are not obligatory.
Taraweeh is Sunnah of Hazrat Muahammad(SAW).
He sometimes prayed alone and sometimes with gathering of people.
So Muslims may or may not offer. If they offer it ALLAH(SWT)
will give us more SAWAB.
As far as the question about Hazrat Umr(r.a) is concerned, if he
revived a part of SUNNAH so what wrong with that.
And reviving Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad(SAW) is not bidah.
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I come back from job at 6.30pm & then take care of my child which is eight years old. My wife & younger son went back home to see her mother which is in life & death sitaution. In this case i cannot go mosque for taravee. Pls guide me about this taravee. I never go for taravee but this ramadan i had plan. But unforunately my wife went back for two months.
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Praise be to Allaah.
Taraaweeh prayer is Sunnah for which the one who does it will be rewarded, but the one who does not do it will not be punished. So there is nothing wrong with your not praying Taraaweeh with the congregation. Allaah knows the soundness of your intention and you may be rewarded even though you do not attend these naafil prayers, especially since you are not being negligent by not praying it. Indeed sometimes a person may be kept busy with something that is more important, such as one who takes care of an elderly mother or orphan children who need to be looked after at such times. A person may be rewarded more if he is distracted from it by a good deed that needs to be done at that time.
There is nothing wrong with praying Taraaweeh at home if you are unable to go to the mosque.
It is not necessary to pray a specific number of rak’ahs, rather you should pray as many as you can manage. The Sunnah is to pray eleven rak’ahs –If you pray two rak’ahs that is better than not praying. We ask Allaah to compensate you with good for what you have missed and to record for you a reward that is greater than your praying Taraaweeh.
Your letting your wife go and visit her mother and your taking care of your daughter are two great deeds for which you will be rewarded in sha Allaah.
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Umar implemented the Taraweeh prayer without a collective opinion of Jammat of Sahaba or Shura. He never asked Ahle Bait about their opinion.
Posted by Intuit:
As i said earlier that Taraweeh is a Sunnah revived by Hazrat Umr
Farooq(r.a). A Sunnah of Holy Prophet.
Some people claim that it was one of the Sunnahs of ‘Umar, and they base that on the fact that ‘Umar “commanded Ubayy ibn Ka’b and Tameem al-Daari to lead the people in praying eleven rak’ahs.” He went out the same night and saw the people praying, and he said, “What a good innovation this is.” This indicates that it had not previously been prescribed…
But this opinion is da’eef (weak), and those who say this are ignoring the reports proven in al-Saheehayn and elsewhere, that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) “led his companions in praying for three nights, and on the third or fourth night he did not lead them, and he said: ‘I am afraid that it may be made obligatory upon you.’” This was narrated by al-Bukhaari (872).
For Intuit. I have posted part of my email again.
And before pasting your OLD STORY again plz
get yourself familiar with sciences of Hadith.
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http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau57.html
057.010
SHAKIR: And what reason have you that you should not spend in Allah’s way? And Allah’s is the inheritance of the heavens and the earth, not alike among you are those who spent before the victory and fought (and those who did not): they are more exalted in rank than those who spent and fought afterwards; and Allah has promised good to all; and Allah is Aware of what you do.
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PICKTHAL: And those who came (into the faith) after them say: Our Lord! Forgive us and our brethren who were before us in the faith, and place not in our hearts any rancour toward those who believe. Our Lord! Thou art Full of Pity, Merciful
Please read the introduction, meaning and tafsir.
Maybe you can get better idea about Companions of
Rasool Allah(SAW).
Sorry to say Sahabas generally were not have any authentic value because they were just human being.
INTUIT
Thats your opinion.Than SIR WHO HAS AUTHENTIC VALUE.
(Not equal among you are those who spent before the conquering and fought.) meaning those who did not fight and spend before the Conquest are not equal to those who spent and fought. Before Makkah was conquered, things were difficult for Muslims and only the righteous ones embraced Islam. After Makkah was conquered, Islam spread tremendously throughout the known world and people embraced the religion of Allah en masse
57.10
TAFSIR
Intuit,
Please stop acting like a prick. You pick up a few so-called facts from some shia webpage and you decide to use ahadith incorrectly, and apply them on the respected companions!! THERE WERE HYPOCRITES AT THE TIME OF THE PROPHET, nobody denies that! However, the Prophet (saws) had said so much good about the personalities that you have mentioned that there is NO CASE of considering them hypocrites, or that they are the ones Prophet (saws) was talking about in that hadith. DONT SELECTIVELY PICK AND CHOOSE AHADITH. FIND OUT THE ONES WHICH SAY THAT WE MUST STICK WITH OUR MOLAR TEETH TO WHATEVER THE RIGHTEOUS COMPANIONS STUCK TO! What a lowlife.
Faisal,
Hanafi ulema believe that if you willfully do NOT follow a sunnat-e-maukadah it is sinful (refer to islam.tc and mufti ibrahim desai). I also recall reading something similar from Mufti Taqi Usmani.
I personally do not agree with this thinking. In a way this means raising a mustahab act to a wajib one.
I have no idea why people regard taraweeh with the jama'ah to be sunnat -e- maukadah. Makes no sense to lay this much emphasis if the Prophet (saws) discontinued the act out of fear that it would be made obligatory on his ummah.
If the prophet (pbuh) STOPPED this practise of praying in congregation, out of fear of WHATEVER reason, the BOTTOM line is that it was STOPPED by him (pbuh).
As such, we should maintain his practise - praying individually rather than in congregation.
Surah AL-AHZAB, verse 36: "It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path"
Also, the prophet (pbuh) does not decide anything on his own or fear for this or that. Every command / instruction that he gives is from Allah (swt)
Surah al Maidah verse 92 "Obey Allah and Obey his Prophet and worry, and be warned that the Prophet's duty is only to deliver the message clearly"
So all this idea that the prophet (pbuh) feared for his people that these prayers will become obligatory is false. He (swt) does/say/acts ONLY in the way Allah (swt) tells him.
As such, his prohibition NOT to pray taraweeh prayers like how it is currently being done is an order from Allah (swt). And whoever continues to pray it in this manner is violating Allah (swt)'s commandments.
Do you think he would have prohibited these prayers if it was indeed as good as what you make it out to be and if Allah (swt) approved of it?
Don't come and tell me that ordinary people know better than Allah (swt) & his prophet (pbuh).
Before just PASTING ayahs please read, understand and comprehend, if you can that what they are talking about.
Please, read the background, introduction, meaning and
tafsir.
refer to this website.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau33.html
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*Originally posted by Gandalf: *
If the prophet (pbuh) STOPPED this practise of praying in congregation, out of fear of WHATEVER reason, the BOTTOM line is that it was STOPPED by him (pbuh).
As such, we should maintain his practise - praying individually rather than in congregation.
Surah AL-AHZAB, verse 36: "It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path"
Also, the prophet (pbuh) does not decide anything on his own or fear for this or that. Every command / instruction that he gives is from Allah (swt)
Surah al Maidah verse 92 "Obey Allah and Obey his Prophet and worry, and be warned that the Prophet's duty is only to deliver the message clearly"
So all this idea that the prophet (pbuh) feared for his people that these prayers will become obligatory is false. He (swt) does/say/acts ONLY in the way Allah (swt) tells him.
As such, his prohibition NOT to pray taraweeh prayers like how it is currently being done is an order from Allah (swt). And whoever continues to pray it in this manner is violating Allah (swt)'s commandments.
Do you think he would have prohibited these prayers if it was indeed as good as what you make it out to be and if Allah (swt) approved of it?
Don't come and tell me that ordinary people know better than Allah (swt) & his prophet (pbuh).
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Mr Gandalf
You are just PASTING verses from the Internet without proper
understanding.Mr ALF also refer to 003.007 .
Rehman;
Why are such clear verses so confusing to you?
The reason is that because it clearly states absolute obedience to Allah (swt) and his prophet (pbuh), there is hesitation on the parts of certain individuals to defend their actions.
I don't need to read your link of many pages which has nothing to do with the topic.
Absolute obedience to the prophet's (pbuh) orders is a must requirement in ALL situations.
ws
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Rehman;
Why are such clear verses so confusing to you?
The reason is that because it clearly states absolute obedience to Allah (swt) and his prophet (pbuh), there is hesitation on the parts of certain individuals to defend their actions.
I don't need to read your link of many pages which has nothing to do with the topic.
Absolute obedience to the prophet's (pbuh) orders is a must requirement in ALL situations.
ws
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I have provided all the relevant information. If you don't want to read
it. That's your choice. I will post some of it here for READERS.