if you are gay, you are gay. i dont think there is anything wrong with it. a lot of people look at it from teh religious point of view. i think the religious views have to do more with the cultural norms of the society in which gay were being frowned upon. so i think if you are not a danger to the society, your sexual orientation should not matter.
Re: I'm gay....what do I do?
Actually, Islam is of the view that hate the sin, not the sinner.
Actually, Islam is of the view that hate the sin, not the sinner.
...and kill the ones who sin, so there will be no sin?
if you are gay, you are gay. i dont think there is anything wrong with it. a lot of people look at it from teh religious point of view. i think the religious views have to do more with the cultural norms of the society in which gay were being frowned upon. so i think if you are not a danger to the society, your sexual orientation should not matter.
where did u get this idea from?
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I gave this dude so much advice yarr
...and kill the ones who sin, so there will be no sin?
Oh c'mon the guy already said he'd done nothing yet.
Alright, I have my bearings now. My psychiatry professor discussed a similar case with us, a Paki guy who was gay, had a boyfriend and was extremely obsessed with him, while that may not be the case here, I believe you're going towards a relationship with a guy, if I'm correct.
I advised you to see a psychiatrist and I stand by that argument still. Also, you should talk to someone who understands your background and religious point of view and not someone who is utterly ignorant of your predicament.
Now, if you're looking for people here to advise you on how to go on best telling your parents about it, I dont have any insights on the matter, and I think you should keep it to yourself anyway.
where did u get this idea from?
Exactly. It's not just Pakistani culture that's against it. Many and sane, i would say, cultures including non- Islamic nations don't accept homosexuality as being the norm, because it isn't. It's a foreign concept to the nature of the human.
Also it's explicitly stated in the Koran that it;s not allowed, it's one of the major sins.
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Since TT has already made up his mind to not Take any ones advice
Hes probably conjuring up rite now some more counter-argumnets
hes had quality advice in summary:
1) Its a religious no-no, whether he feels its natural or unnatural its leading him to hell
2) He Should excercise extreme self-control on himself for the current
3) He should see a Psychiatrist---which he seems to ignore
4) He should look into hormonal therapy/see a medical specialist--which he seems to ignore
5) He should seelk guidance from a Muslim Scholar---which he seems to ignore
6) He should get more active with the attractive aspects of the opposite sex----which he seems to ignore.
In Total, TT, I would love to know how much effort you put into finding yourself appropriate treatment compared to the effort you put into making your self accepted as present
ANSWER MY THREAD DUDE:
''GOD HELPS THOS WHO HELP THEMSELVES''
I WANNA KNOW WHAT R U CURRENTLY DOING TO HELP YOURSELF!
Re: I'm gay....what do I do?
Please don't be upset that you are gay. It is 100% ok and fine. Please don't let these people tell you that you are not a good Muslim for it. They will surely suffer for judging you like that. Feel free to message me in private. You have my support and I know places to direct you to that can support you.
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^ If U R serious TT
Im here too u can pm.
I was just giving a somwhat more upfornt apraoch in my last post which is also required somtimes.
U r not a bad muslim if you are seriously concerned about it :)
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No, don't message amir phindi. This is not a test. You are gay, and that is FINE. Allah (swt) will not punish you for being gay. DO NOT FOLLOW these peoples traps of "it's just a test and surely you can fight it". You will be miserable that way.
YOU ARE 100% FINE WITH THE WAY YOU ARE AND THE ONLY THING YOU NEED TO CHANGE IS TO STOP LISTENING TO THESE DISGUSTINGLY IGNORANT, CLOSE-MINDED JUDGMENTAL PEOPLE WHO WILL TRY TO FORCE YOU TO BE SOMETHING YOU ARE NOT.
Re: I'm gay....what do I do?
Paki-Fairy
Being a Good Muslim it is our duty to stop other muslims brothers/sisters from doing haram going towards a haram.
Paki-fairy we are not tryng to bigot him.
We are trying to help him.
Like some said above, hate the sin, not the siner,
He seems to show concern/worry for his state that which is praisworthy act from him.
May Allah make things easy for him.
No, don't message amir phindi. This is not a test. You are gay, and that is FINE. Allah (swt) will not punish you for being gay. DO NOT FOLLOW these peoples traps of "it's just a test and surely you can fight it". You will be miserable that way. YOU ARE 100% FINE WITH THE WAY YOU ARE AND THE ONLY THING YOU NEED TO CHANGE IS TO STOP LISTENING TO THESE DISGUSTINGLY IGNORANT, CLOSE-MINDED JUDGMENTAL PEOPLE WHO WILL TRY TO FORCE YOU TO BE SOMETHING YOU ARE NOT.
no one is 100% fine, so your logic becomes illogical right after that.
RELAX, YOU DONT HAVE TO READ ALL OF US DISGUSTINGLY IGNORANT, CLOSE-MINDED JUDGMENTAL PEOPLE WHO WILL TRY TO FORCE TT TO BE SOMETHING HE IS NOT.
haath hola rekho jee apnay caps per.
Since TT has already made up his mind to not Take any ones advice
Hes probably conjuring up rite now some more counter-argumnets
hes had quality advice in summary:
1) Its a religious no-no, whether he feels its natural or unnatural its leading him to hell 2) He Should excercise extreme self-control on himself for the current 3) He should see a Psychiatrist---which he seems to ignore 4) He should look into hormonal therapy/see a medical specialist--which he seems to ignore 5) He should seelk guidance from a Muslim Scholar---which he seems to ignore 6) He should get more active with the attractive aspects of the opposite sex----which he seems to ignore.
In Total, TT, I would love to know how much effort you put into finding yourself appropriate treatment compared to the effort you put into making your self accepted as present
ANSWER MY THREAD DUDE:
''GOD HELPS THOS WHO HELP THEMSELVES''
I WANNA KNOW WHAT R U CURRENTLY DOING TO HELP YOURSELF!
-psychiatrists don't think of homosexuality as a disorder so going to one would be useless, because they would probably try to help me get comfortable with myself, or even try to help me come out to my family. another thing, psychiatrists are expensive, and I do not have that kind of money to waste.
-no legitimate professional is going to give someone hormone treatment because they want to be "cured" of being gay. maybe in pakistan they do that, but not here where I live.
-I have had 20 years of getting active with the attractive aspects of the opposite sex, and so far nothing seems to "tickle my pickle"
Tinkerbell,
There are MANY OF US here who don't agree with homosexuality BUT we have been very RESPECTFUL toward** TT*. There are several of us who have responded to this thread...........and have **AVOIDED* judging him. It's rather NARROW-MINDED of YOU to lump ALL OF US in the same category
YOU YOURSELF are being JUDGMENTAL for accusing ALL OF US of being "disgustingly ignorant."
You have SUCCEEDED in applying the same negative adjectives to YOURSELF that you have hurled at US........without even realizing it.
I believe that you can respect someone even if you don't agree with their life style. If you support homosexuality........by all means..........go ahead. But don't shoot others down in such an IMMATURE and NASTY way just because you don't agree with their** "conservative advice/views/suggestions."**
People here are just making suggestions............nobody is FORCING TT to change his sexual orientation. YOU are acting as if the creator of this thread is being forced. **There's a difference between making a suggestion......and forcing someone.
Relax*. Some people will make suggestions. You can't prevent them from doing so. At the end of the day.........the ultimate decision rests with **TT. He is an adult and can decide which path he wishes to follow in his life without either side *(conservative or liberal)** imposing their views on him or each other.
:k:
and we all know TT started this thread here cuz he is looking for our advices and suggestions.
lagay rahoo amir bhai 
So he want advice from non gays.
So he want advice from non gays.
its a Pakistani forum, and usually pakistanis are Muslims (Muslim names) and also many of em are followers of Islam, so they are modest in their practices, which means no gay practices.
so it is pretty much obvious that tt is here for guidance.
No, don't message amir phindi. This is not a test. You are gay, and that is FINE. Allah (swt) will not punish you for being gay. DO NOT FOLLOW these peoples traps of "it's just a test and surely you can fight it". You will be miserable that way. YOU ARE 100% FINE WITH THE WAY YOU ARE AND THE ONLY THING YOU NEED TO CHANGE IS TO STOP LISTENING TO THESE DISGUSTINGLY IGNORANT, CLOSE-MINDED JUDGMENTAL PEOPLE WHO WILL TRY TO FORCE YOU TO BE SOMETHING YOU ARE NOT.
Nothing in this post makes any sense,
1. This is not a test.
2.You are gay, and that is FINE
3.Allah (swt) will not punish you for being gay (please find this for me in the quran/hadith)
4. *ohh and yess **we **are the "*DISGUSTINGLY IGNORANT, CLOSE-MINDED JUDGMENTAL PEOPLE !!!!"
its a Pakistani forum, and usually pakistanis are Muslims (Muslim names) and also many of em are followers of Islam, so they are modest in their practices, which means no gay practices.
so it is pretty much obvious that tt is here for guidance.
Totally agree with you. He sounds some alien to Pakistan.
How can a Pakistani and a muslim who knows everything ask this type of question.
In his question or thread they clearly show that they are alien to Pakistan.