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You avoided by not saying you agree or disagree.
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i've not read her posts in this thread but i've never seen her post anything unreasonable even if i may disagree with her posts.
p.s, pak punjabis don't look any different from 'dark' indian punjabis, nothing wrong with being dark, if paki punjabans used less fair & lovely they would look like the kaurs across the border.
i think paki punjabis (like other paki ethnicis) should lay off the punjabi and jatt pride and embrace the wider paki identity properly.
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Im not going to bash any group, but I still think illegal immigrants are a problem. The best solution would be to legitimize the immigration of some illegal immigrants based on family status, education, etc. There is no reason fro Pakistan to get rid of honest hard-working afghani immigrants if there are any. "Poppy-smokers", "AK47-dealers" and "Bacha kidnappers" should have no place in Pakistan or Afghanistan or anywhere else, so they should be sent back to afghanistan.
Pakistanis living outside are still pakistanis. We have just as much a right to expression as pakisanis living inside pakistan. Its not where you live that makes you what you are. I live in the UAE, but Im not a UAE citizen and I dont feel as much for UAE or its people or its economy nor do they for me.
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Its alright. Whenever you can or want.
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Oh baba, take care of the territory you got. Otherwise that will be gone too. In fact it is already gone in the hands of every Tom, Harry and Dickov.
Hindu-Kash is a geographical boundary between people living on either side of the mountain range. "Kash" is a persian word meaning "line" or "boundary". Only Mehmand agency area may have bit of confusion. But for the rest of the border it is historical. Terming it as British made is really naive.
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Are you kidding me? lolllllll Its hindu Kush last I checked. It was not historical it was made wiht no sense but to cut at the heart of the afghan(pashtun) nation. Check this out:
As one British writer put it, "It is illogical from the point of view of ethnography, or strategy and of geography."
If you atually buy that the durand line is historically correct, then I pity suh logic. Its a border which when one thinks about ethnicity, history, etc makes zero sense.lollllllllll
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proper meaning of hindu kush
The origin of the term “Hindu Kush” (and whether it translates as “Hindu Killer”) is a point of contention. The earliest known use of this name was by the famous Arab traveller, Ibn Battūta c. 1334, who wrote: “Another reason for our halt was fear of the snow, for on the road there is a mountain called Hindūkūsh, which means “Slayer of Hindus,” because the slave boys and girls who are brought from Hind (India) die there in large numbers as a result of the extreme cold and the quantity of snow.”
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To be honest I have lost any trust on Wikipedia. Anyone can write garbage on this site or change it next minute......so why read it and set your mind on it.
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yeh but what I wrote is legit, I mean kash meaning line, you would be lying if anyone were to buy that theory.
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^^ on the Western side of Hindu-Kash is a desert named "Dusht-e-Kash". Now tell me Mr. Afghan (or Pushtoon, or Pukhtoon, or .......) How would you translate that?
Hindu-Koosh is a misnomer being used by both Hindutvaris, and their beardo counterparts in a show of one-upmanship. Pakistan's school level history books buy that crap without ever questioning the veracity of "hindu slaughter houses in the mountains". So where are those slaughterhouses? Where are the Hindu mass graves that these tribals may have dug following their messenger Hitler alaihe salam?
As I said, Hindu-Kash is a Persian (and not an Afghani word, Oh wait there is no Afghani language). Rivers and Mountain ranges have been used as border lines for a long time now. Simple existence of all the passes along Hindu-Kash should be a proof positive. However for the Afghans of dirt poor sense of history can't figure that out. Let's not go back 100's of years, just look at few years back. See how Afghan (oops Pushtoons, oh no Pukhtoons) bombed their own heritage in Bamyan. Now go check out Wikipedia for that too.
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Antiobl your futile attempt to be catchy and funny didn't cut it. Now you know very well that hindu or hind comes from the term indus. Thats where the word hindu kash comes from. I know you want to legitimize the fake durand line with such attempts, but it doesn't cut it.
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Well, Afghanis have short memories. Who do they care what they themselves have said and done in the recent past.
Hindu-Kash is a natural boundary. That is why Kabuli-Kommies proposed to set up Pushtoonistan on the Eastern side of the mountain range.
Here is a reference:
http://www.afghanistans.com/Information/History/Durandline.htm
and here is the map at the reference
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showpost.php?p=4076014&postcount=71
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They didn't propose, they wanted to have an independent pashtunistan first, and then they hoped it would come together with afghanistan to form greater Afghanistan. They only person or people who supported these theories were people like Olaf caroe who supported the creation of pakistan. He conveniently divided pakhtuns into two groups- eastern and western afghan. This was all a political move to keep us divided and give some sort of legitimacy to pakistan (in reagrds to pashtuns).
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Give it a rest to the conspiracy theories based on Olafs and Caroes. OK!
Afghanis want to dupe Pakistanis with this Pushtoonistani mirage. Heck they don’t give an inch for Pushtoonistan and Pakistan gets chopped up. Wow man Wow. Chopping up Pakistan is the dream of Bharatis and all the Kommie Lefties.
I have provided you with Afghani propaganda sites. So far Pakistan has been nice to you all Afghanis. Guess what? We are sick and tired of you Afghani troublemakers bumbling about destroying Pakistan. If you want Pushtoonistan or ignore the international boundaries, we will give you Pushtoonistan. Yes! By chopping up Afghanistan as proposed by this thread:
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showpost.php?p=4069509&postcount=9
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Yeh but you see when you chop afghanistan, pashtuns will take the afghan name, and guess what the pakhtuns/pashtuns from the other side will join up(it doesn't take a genius to realize that the break-up of Afghanistan will backfire on Pakistan). So in reality we have Afghanistan in the truest sense. Nice talking to you. And yes olaf zaroe supported the idea of Pakistan. You will never buy it, but then again you love the pak army no matter what, and you are the poster boy of capitalism even it means countries to subjugate themselves to outsiders.
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, Sans-serif] Here you go:
The charge was delivered in anger. Doubtless Dr. Khan Sahib’s rattled provincial government made its own overzealous mistakes, and I find it hard to believe that Caroe connived in murder. Yet he did have a record of surreptitiously promoting his strongly held views and leaving few fingerprints. Some thumb marks, however, survived. Tucked deep in State Department files in the National Archives in Washington is this report by a visiting U.S. official of his interview with Caroe in May 1947: "Sir Olaf indicated that the Foreign Office tended too much to look upon India as a peninsular unit like Italy.... He felt it did not sufficiently realize the great political importance of the Northwest Frontier Province and Afghanistan, which he described as ‘the uncertain vestibule’ in future relations between Soviet Russia and India." Caroe expressed regret that his own government played down Soviet penetration of frontier areas like Gilgit, Chitral, and Swat, adding "he would not be unfavorable to the establishment of a separate Pakhistan *[si*c]."
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^^ Oh Baboo! Sir Olaf may be one of the many who supported the idea of Pakistan. Many before him including Wavell, Iqbal etc. had talked about two separate states in South Asia.
However the credit goes to a Congressi named Lala Lajpat Rai who was so fed up by Khilafat Movement that he proposed in 1921, separating from the Muslim Provinces. Guess what he forwarded this idea in the newspaper named "Daily Tribune" and in his letters to Bengali leader C. R. Das.
Afghani Kabulis are so burned up like charcol in the hate for Pakistan. They would stop at nothing in their quest to destroy the country.
I again say, Take care of your country. Respect the borders, and you will progress. For cryin out loud, Afghani people have suffered enough already. Let them settle down and figure out a way to get out of the $hite hole they are in now. OK?
Afghanis don’t want to give an inch of their territory, yet they are jumping up and down about Pakistan. Damn anarchists.