Re: IK upset over killing of Mehsud: Wants NATO supplies blocked
in another show, saleem safi was telling top business in FATA is selling medicines for depression.local people have become patients but look at the people have the guts of enjoying death disregarding all the bloody implications.
Re: IK upset over killing of Mehsud: Wants NATO supplies blocked
So the only way people will be happy from IK is if he asks for more and more drones. I think he should do it, let there be collateral damage, let TTP gain more stronghold, once TTP takes over Pakistan he can then easily exit to England like other leaders.
Re: IK upset over killing of Mehsud: Wants NATO supplies blocked
It is the death of peace process that everyone is upset about. Critics are twisting his stance to criticise him. He is stopping NATO supply on sabotaging peace process.
As long these 'maut ke saudagar' are alive, Pakistan will never see peace. Mark my words. Their elimination with full force is in the interest of Pakistan.
Re: IK upset over killing of Mehsud: Wants NATO supplies blocked
IK is doing what any good politician does. He looks after his own people. Now thanks to the drone strike more Pakistanis will die. More Pakistani children will be become orphans. More women will become widows.
sounds like you are saying the good politician is one who gives in to being brought into negotiations via fear and blackmail by militants.
sounds like just what the terrorists would love to have in the civilian leadership.
tomorrow some other moron with a ragtag crew of boneheads will shoot up innocents and raise demands if such appeasement is done.
where is the state's backbone? where is the powerful military and intelligence? why can't the pakistani intelligence agency infiltrate and neutralize a bunch of cave-dwelling idiots within its own frontiers? is there a shortage of assets?
Re: IK upset over killing of Mehsud: Wants NATO supplies blocked
In another thread before this super ‘maut ka saudagar’ killed, I wrote:
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/pakistan-affairs/626736-hakimullah-mehsud-s-top-aide-in-us-custody-2.html
Post #26
The moment he came out from his hiding sh!t hole, drone did the job, confirming how this technology is 100% accurate and targets on the super terrorists.
Re: IK upset over killing of Mehsud: Wants NATO supplies blocked
sounds like you are saying the good politician is one who gives in to being brought into negotiations via fear and blackmail by militants.
sounds like just what the terrorists would love to have in the civilian leadership.
tomorrow some other moron with a ragtag crew of boneheads will shoot up innocents and raise demands if such appeasement is done.
where is the state's backbone? where is the powerful military and intelligence? why can't the pakistani intelligence agency infiltrate and neutralize a bunch of cave-dwelling idiots within its own frontiers? is there a shortage of assets?
but, the government and military are on the same page as the US! both of them are betraying their own people...they have secret 'understanding' with the US...they are ALL in bed together!
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where is the state's backbone? where is the powerful military and intelligence? why can't the pakistani intelligence agency infiltrate and neutralize a bunch of cave-dwelling idiots within its own frontiers? is there a shortage of assets?
It is not about state's backbone or incompetence of its agencies. It is that majority of Pakistanis, both state and common people, see no ideological differences with Talibanic mindset.
Many of us have been doing our best to reconcile and humanize the behavior of those khawarij.
Re: IK upset over killing of Mehsud: Wants NATO supplies blocked
sounds like you are saying the good politician is one who gives in to being brought into negotiations via fear and blackmail by militants.
sounds like just what the terrorists would love to have in the civilian leadership.
tomorrow some other moron with a ragtag crew of boneheads will shoot up innocents and raise demands if such appeasement is done.
where is the state's backbone? where is the powerful military and intelligence? why can't the pakistani intelligence agency infiltrate and neutralize a bunch of cave-dwelling idiots within its own frontiers? is there a shortage of assets?
Exactly what the US, the UK, Germany, Qatar and Afghanistan have done in this case. Seems everybody doesn't have a backbone and appeases the terrorists. But its only a problem when Pakistan does it.
Re: IK upset over killing of Mehsud: Wants NATO supplies blocked
Exactly what the US, the UK, Germany, Qatar and Afghanistan have done in this case. Seems everybody doesn't have a backbone and appeases the terrorists. But its only a problem when Pakistan does it.
does the US, UK, Germany, Qatar, Afghanistan appease terrorists that kill their innocent citizens? afghanistan - maybe. because they are a very weak state, teetering around on the brink of civil war. the rest exterminate such threats within their own countries without the slightest mercy.
and why would you encourage appeasement of terrorists by Pakistan? what would you expect to come out of it? some kind of power-sharing agreement? disarmament? who do you think will be the ones making the concessions when dragged into talks at gunpoint?
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and why would you encourage appeasement of terrorists by Pakistan? what would you expect to come out of it? some kind of power-sharing agreement? disarmament? who do you think will be the ones making the concessions when dragged into talks at gunpoint?
Ironically, a peace process meeting was supposed to take place today or an official schedule was going to be anoounced. Had it taken place, perhaps some of the question might have been answered or at least put forward.
No Pakistan is not being dragged into this talks at gun point, negotiations have been lurking around for years. The agenda only materialised once all international powers and US finally agreed to it and went ahead with their plans. The option of military option is still open in case no peace is achieved through talks.
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Although I don't think any one can condone people like Hakeemullah Mehsud, but the timing raises a lot of questions.
*That is incorrect and misguiding analysis. In another thread, it was mentioned before he was killed that he was hiding being afraid of drones. The moment he came out from his hiding, was killed. That was the perfect timings for drone to strike him, nothing to do with peace talks. He was a target long due.
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Re: IK upset over killing of Mehsud: Wants NATO supplies blocked
does the US, UK, Germany, Qatar, Afghanistan appease terrorists that kill their innocent citizens? afghanistan - maybe. because they are a very weak state, teetering around on the brink of civil war. the rest exterminate such threats within their own countries without the slightest mercy.
and why would you encourage appeasement of terrorists by Pakistan? what would you expect to come out of it? some kind of power-sharing agreement? disarmament? who do you think will be the ones making the concessions when dragged into talks at gunpoint?
Yes they do. The US is openly negotiating with the Taliban. They paved the way for the Taliban Embassy in Qatar. They had talks with them, they released prisoners from Bagram. All of that is appeasement.
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Yes they do. The US is openly negotiating with the Taliban. They paved the way for the Taliban Embassy in Qatar. They had talks with them, they released prisoners from Bagram. All of that is appeasement.
Perhaps you are forgetting that Sam was supporting Taliban before 911. Had Taliban handed over OBL, perhaps Taliban still be ruling Afghanistan, all destruction to Afghanistan and Pakistan could have been avoided.
Re: IK upset over killing of Mehsud: Wants NATO supplies blocked
Perhaps you are forgetting that Sam was supporting Taliban before 911. Had Taliban handed over OBL, perhaps Taliban still be ruling Afghanistan, all destruction to Afghanistan and Pakistan could have been avoided.
Doesn't change the fact that they are still appeasing the Taliban. They are negotiating with them. They are supporting them with offices and money. Appeasement.
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the taliban do not operate in the US or in Qatar. why would the US or any other country for that matter give a damn about Afghans or Pakistanis over their own nation's goals of a quick and easy exit out of a costly war that isn't theirs anymore? They sure wouldn't appease any such groups in their own countries. Which is the situation for Pakistan and Afghanistan.
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Doesn't change the fact that they are still appeasing the Taliban. They are negotiating with them. They are supporting them with offices and money. Appeasement.
**I don't think they are appeasing. Sam has realized the earlier mistake when he left Afghanistan immediately after the defeat of Russia. Infighting among different war lords and jehadists resulted in mass killings and ultimately Afghanistan became biggest breeding ground for the terrorists on earth. Perhaps Sam does not want to repeat this mistake. A long last peace in Afghanistan is in the interest of Pakistan also. Pakistan army should abandon the past policies of supporting these jehadists/Taliban and let India to fill that gap.
Pakistan government should ensure that there should be no more cross border of illegal Afghanis setlling in Sindh, mostly in Karachi and other areas of Pakistan. All refugees and illegal Afghanistanis should leave Pakistan ASAP.
Pakistan should stop supporting KSA on the issue of Taliban and jehadis. Let KSA open madrasas and terrorists camps in Saudi Arabia and leave Pakistan alone.
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the taliban do not operate in the US or in Qatar. why would the US or any other country for that matter give a damn about Afghans or Pakistanis over their own nation's goals of a quick and easy exit out of a costly war that isn't theirs anymore? They sure wouldn't appease any such groups in their own countries. Which is the situation for Pakistan and Afghanistan.
All that basically suggest that if anything it's the countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan that should be more desperate to achieve peace and stability. I don't see why countries like Afghanistan or Pakistan should have a false sense of superiority against Taliban when US had actually failed to defeat them?
63 or more terror groups wouldn't be operating in US to begin with nor any country will be sending illegal drones to any European country so lets not even go there. That's totally irrelevant. The fact is Pakistan too, just like NATO and US, wants to get out of this costly war, end violence and secure peace to protect its citizens. Pakistan is an independent and democratic country, if its democratically elected government and military establishment decides to hold talks with the groups that's mainly fighting a war against them, then it is their internal matter. Who is US to interfere and sabotage Pakistani peace talks while it's almost done with appeasing Afghan Talibans? After all they are the one who initiated the peace talks, right? Shouldn't they respect democratic decisions? They openly asked for Pakistan's assistance to ensure peace talks is a success for them so why backstab the so called ally when it's so close to achieving a similar breakthrough?
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the taliban do not operate in the US or in Qatar. why would the US or any other country for that matter give a damn about Afghans or Pakistanis over their own nation's goals of a quick and easy exit out of a costly war that isn't theirs anymore? They sure wouldn't appease any such groups in their own countries. Which is the situation for Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Great. So who is the US negotiating with in Afghanistan? Spongebob?
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how will the outcome of US negotiations with Taliban affect the average american citizen? even the Colombian drug mafia is more a threat to US interests than taliban in afghanistan. the US can simply buy 6-12 months worth of time to exit the stage, negotiating with terrorists are excellent for this. Is Pakistan or Afghanistan in the same boat enjoying geographic, social and cultural isolation from these barbarians? If so, excellent. If not, aren't there better choices at this point? Do you really want to legitimize their ideology in your society, because it sure will seep in into mainstream if you accept this line of thinking.
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Not sure about Afghanistan but Pakistan for one can certainly isolate itself from these barbarians and their ideology, if they put sincere and solid all round efforts into achieving that. And no, it won't be an overnight revolution but a well planned, thoroughly organised and sincerely implemented course will certainly put Pakistan in a much better place. The situation is not as hopeless as some people like to paint.