It is a great disappointment for me to see that women play a great role in the life of a man and this is **not **recognised. The contribution of a woman gets lost in the social image of the man being provider. That role gets highlighted and what the woman does, gets easily ignored.
I ask the men, do you think your thinking, your self, your life, your vision about life is complete without a woman?
Why don’t you accept it and step back from this encroachment on women’s personality?
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Right on my friend. Right on.
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[edit: will come up wiht a more coherent reply later]
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Honestly I'm so tired of people who constantly need to be acknowledged and recognized. Just do your work and live your life and Allah will take care of the rest. Just my feelings.
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I ask the men, do you think your thinking, your self, your life, your vision about life is complete without a woman?
Why don't you accept it and step back from this encroachment on women's personality?
May I know how do you want that to be recognized? And what is that which is not recognized?
Encroachment on women's personality??? I am sure you did not mean feminine males but I still did not get it.
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in an effort to awake all males who are self-righteous and demand
unreasonable expectations from women, ( since women are stereotyped to
volunteer all their "being", for the good, the bad, and the sacrificial
pleasing of the society and men in it) ... there is a hopeful call to
reflect on one's own intentions for males, in the issue raised in this
thread.
for those who may want to know and know, the message should already be
clear.
relations between women and men, as husband -wife, mother-son, father-
daughter, grand daughter- grand father, brother-sister, niece-uncle,
teacher-student, neighbur-neighbur, are noble transactional relationship
roles.
& especially all same age group single people, need a serious
reassessment of their interpersonal obligations & recognize the
personhood of each other, rather than make women feel like and expect
them to act and think like, the imagined subservient of themselves,
individually and collectively.
a woman needs to be recognized for her person, & not as mere fulfiller
of all the roles, she is expected to endure.
best,
dushwari
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yeah Well Said Dushi
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Tell it like it is sistah! I am also sick of women whining about equal rights but when we want to give them equal rights, they play the “i’m just a tiny little woman” card.
For example:
Women fire fighters are required to carry a smaller weight to qualify vs. men firefighters. Excuse me, but if a woman firefighter cannot carry my ass off to safety then she has no business being a firefighter. You wanted equal rights, now demonstrate equal abilities.
Women golfers are allowed to tee off dozens of yards ahead of men golfers for the same fairway.
Women are allowed 3 months maternity leave when men are only allowed a few weeks when they have a child.
You can tell dirty jokes in front of your male coworkers but if you do so in front of a female coworker, it’s sexual harrassment.
So, ladies, excuse the h3ll out of me if society has a problem treating you equally. The reality is, women don’t WANT equality in everything, only in things that are convenient for them.
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^ you for got one few more thing
"Daikhtey nahi k eik aurtat kub sai line main kahree hai, sharm nahi atee aap logoon ko" - When a woman is standing in line for some thing like deposit bill etc
"Yee nahi kee aurat ko seat dai deen, sharam nahi aatee" - when there is no empty seat for woman in mini bus/bus in Pakistan
"Yee nahi k thoree help kara deen eik lerkee akalee table move ker rahee hai baithey daikh raheey hain apna GEO" - my wife when she is moving furniture for some reaosn :)
"cooking srif aurat kee zamadaree nahi hai, males ko bhee baraber hath batana chehyee kitchen main." But when it comes to grocery "Jaoo lai aoo na grocery, sharam nahi aurat becharee itnee garmee main kahaan grocery kertee phirey gee, ja ker bhag ker lai aoo" :)
and v common one "suneen zara please tire change ker deen flat ho gaya hai"
excuse me ladies, if you want 50% rights, welcome to hell!
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no body needs you to 'give' rights to women. women have their rights to have, 'without' asking for these rights. u are not entitled to be the care taker of women receiving their rights. u can certainly try to chnage this patronizing attitude, and then, maybe, u will recognize the real worth of ur own, in the eyes of women.
rather than excusing the hell out of u, sxtractiung ur own ill-information is more appropriate to way, more sober way to address this issue, withourt personal attacks and without sterotyping women, accoding to ur male mentality of patriarchy.
alright.
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lolzz
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The message is very clear and explicit. I am talking about in clear terms that the contribution of women is not recognized at all. The society is too afraid to accept it. Some of the people replying here are talking in terms of "Individualism" while I am talking in terms of "Complementation" (Lock and key) aspect..... Like Dushi explained here....
relations between women and men, as husband -wife, mother-son, father- daughter, grand daughter- grand father, brother-sister, niece-uncle, teacher-student, neighbur-neighbur, are noble transactional relationship roles.
It is true in case of women, their reaction to this issue has taken things in a wrong dimension but I believe it is the wrong sense of threat to their self existance, their mind and soul which has created this discord.
A woman does not demand anything for whatever she does. All she expexts, is a recognition and acknowledgemnt, the feeling that her contribution is well taken into account.
Don't snub their personality in YOU being the earning hand or physically or mentally stronger. They are much more beyond that.....
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You’re talking about how people will call women who stay at home are pretty much worthless and have easy lives? 
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I dont know which world are you living in. Women are being recognized now both at society level and at the family level. It has lot to do with education and as our society is getting educated, they will reliaze it more day by day.
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yes. lock and key :>
u hear me!
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Sara516 and Decent6chora
Both of you did not get me.
Dushwari
You are at it :)
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what easy life?
look at what moms do traditionally. self lesss sacrifice for us.
in their living in the shadow of their sppouses, which may definitely be great fathers, and husbands, but the women themselves are known only as mrs. so and so, mom of so and so.
why cant women be also known for the civic engagement, for the work at work that they can do to excel both in and out side of the houses they are called the queens of.
women who sit pretty at homes, know they are not living to their fullest.
they could be great artists, doctors, lawyers, business women but they are hampered in their ability to know their own selves as someone other than a mom, a sister, a wife, a daughter and with all reasonable or unreasonable expectations.
when a man gets to have 30 years of age, to establish himself,
and a young virgin woman is given the reminders to get ready to get married at age 18 onwards… no wonder, women never excel beyond what they are convinced as their limited roles.
so, we must be very clear in ur mind, when we make statements like these that women are supposed to mind only homes and family keeping..
they should be somebody as their own persons, on top of being an elegant care taker and valued individual in the home, in the lives of their loves ones.
we can’t complicate this simple matter of understanding.
it is not about women become men. it is about them being ‘themselves’ and then somebody with out whom house will stop to exist, just like when in a single mom’s home, there is always that empty chair for a dad, a husband to be filled. but he is expected to work outside of home.
dushi
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This reply is only for the quoted part.
I do not equate the "exploitation" of women with them being recognized at all levels. I can see beyond that. Todays men have used it beautifully to abuse women.....
Have they been given their due place they deserve as wives?
Have they been given their due place as mothers?
Have they been given their due place as sisters, daughters, and every other noble relation they have with men?
Is this the recognition of women "at all levels" that they are forced to act like men. Have we given them their due respect, their due place as wives, mother daughter etc and what they do for us in these relations?
Do you think it is recognition? It is well within the boundaries of neglect and a clever neglect. It is not recognition dude.....
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Dushwari & Lahore 981 Lets agree on disagree then :)
Although i don’t disagree with yor point you are making that women should have an identity of their own but my point is that’s identity crises is not that bad as it is portrayed (unfortunately by women themselves)