This question is especially for those sunnis who have shia friends, others are welcome to have their say but please NO HARSH WORDS!
If your friend or a close friend is a shia and he suddenly dies and you go to his janaza…
Would you insist to his family members to have a sunni janaza read instead of a shia janaza?
If they say " He lived a life of a shia, and thus we will do a shia janaza" Will you then participate in it?
If it was the will of your shia friend that he must have a shia janaza if he died, will you still insist on having a sunni janaza and if a shia janaza eventually take place will you take part in it?
Would you insist to his family members to have a sunni janaza read instead of a shia janaza?
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No
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*Originally posted by little human: *
If they say " He lived a life of a shia, and thus we will do a shia janaza" Will you then participate in it?
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Yes
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*Originally posted by little human: *
If it was the will of your shia friend that he must have a shia janaza if he died, will you still insist on having a sunni janaza and if a shia janaza eventually take place will you take part in it?
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why? oh and i did not realize ur last question had two questions,... so the sequence of my answer should have been No and yes :-)
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No that's okay I understood what you mean but still I was surprised.
well apart from all understanding of various groups and all what i know is that shia are considered as muslims as sunni even though some sunni argue that they have few wrong "aqaaid" etc. but as a whole when look into the definition of muslim according to Quran and Hadeeth, they also follow imaan-e-mufassil- imaan on seven things - shahadah of which makes one muslim... so yes i won't have any problem... feel free to disagree but when it will come to praying namaaz-e-janaazaa i won't insist to have sunni namaaz instead i will participate in it but will pray it according to how a sunni will do :~)
Would you insist to his family members to have a sunni janaza read instead of a shia janaza?
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Not at all.
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If they say " He lived a life of a shia, and thus we will do a shia janaza" Will you then participate in it?
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Yes. I will probably offer it in my way while in the congregation, but will offer it.
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If it was the will of your shia friend that he must have a shia janaza if he died, will you still insist on having a sunni janaza and if a shia janaza eventually take place will you take part in it?
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Would you insist to his family members to have a sunni janaza read instead of a shia janaza?
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No - but then why should I suggest that they perform the janaza the Sunni way in the first place.
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If they say " He lived a life of a shia, and thus we will do a shia janaza" Will you then participate in it?
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Yes - I don't think I have any say in it.
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If it was the will of your shia friend that he must have a shia janaza if he died, will you still insist on having a sunni janaza and if a shia janaza eventually take place will you take part in it?
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The imam recites all of it in loud voice, as in sunnis imam only says takbeer in loud voice and rest is in low voice (as in zuhr,asar prayers).
The Dua is different as what sunni pray, and rest is almost same.(may be i am missing something).
I did not find anything offensive or drastically different. They were just minor alterations. Which are also evident from the way shia normally pray.
The imaam for the convenience of sunni present at the namaz-e-janaza, prayed two times once with shia way and other with sunni way. ( so that sunni do not feel out of place :) )
On the side note I want to say that i came to know the procedure of shia namaz (normal). It is not very much different then sunni's. Just some alterations and nothing wrong i found in their way.
Little human: I think there is nothing wrong in shia way ( in my knowledge) so i have no issues.
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*Originally posted by ayaram: *
and i am surprised at such a nonsense discussion. am i harsh?
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I don't know who you are (your other ID) and I don't visit this forum very often. I quit visiting this forum because of a few reasons and today was one of the days when I came to visit this forum but saw the reason i had quit for AGAIN: putting in your stupid reply that has nothing to do with the post and discourages people to ask questions and learn about religions or religious differences.
Are you harsh?: Yes you are harsh, not only harsh but someone who thinks of himself/herself something. She asked you three or four simple questions and you could've simply replied yes or no, depending on the question. But no, you had to open your mouth, post a reply that has nothing at all to do with the question. If have nothing better to say in future, keep your rude comments to yourself and don't bother to reply. Welcome to gushup and enjoy your stay!
Little human: Answers to your questions:
I wouldn't insist them to pray the janaza in sunni way as I wouldn't appreciate a shia coming to my family on my death and asking my family to pray my janaza in shia way. I don't know the difference but it's just not right to ask the family to pray in your way just because you think your way is better or something.
If they pray in shia way, yes I would still pay my respect and pray for him/her.
If it was his will, I would definitely not insist and I would pray for him or her regardless.
I have attended quite a few salah-e-jinaza for shias (relatives of office collegues etc). Never once have I seen a sunni creating a fuss at the jinaza to implore the relatives of the deceased to offer salah in a sunni way. Its inane to think that they will.
Anwaar Qureshi ** and **oiqbal Thanks for your explaination - helps me to understand more =0)
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No - but then why should I suggest that they perform the janaza the Sunni way in the first place.
Yes - I don't think I have any say in it.
I will attend his Janaza according to his will.
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Hope you don't mind me further questioning you :) And you will pray in your own (sunni) way right?
Since you asked "why should I suggest that they perform the janaza the Sunni way in the first place.", I would say that some people want things to go their way. Some sunnis make a point that "if i am gonna participate in this janaza please do it my way" if not I am not coming "
Hope you dont’ mind me asking - Did the sunnis follow the shia way of namaz-e-janaza when it was read? Thanks
Shikra thanks appreciated your help in this
For those who are asking what’s the big difference? lol I was expecting an answer here myself coz I have never attend any janaza whatsoever Shame on me
As far as I know…
Sunni’s
4 Taqbeer Namaz Janaza.
Shia
5 Taqbeer Namaz Janaza.
After the burial of the person (placing them in the grave), talqin is recited.
After burial Talqin is recited once more over the grave.
I wonder if sunnis have this talqin thing too?
thanks for your opinion
ayaram You don’t have to answer my questions if you don’t want to. BUT it’s not nonsense especially to me at least
little human, Since you have asked so nicely, I’ll oblige.
Since Janaza prayers are performed behind an imam, I’ll follow the imam and do exactly as he does. I will also pray sincerely for his forgiveness because the deceased was/is my friend.