thanks for your explaination 
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Did the sunnis follow the shia way of namaz-e-janaza when it was read? Thanks :-)
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Yes they followed the imam. But sunnis did fold their hands as they do usually in prayers and shias prayed with straight hand. Although most of them and me were quite confused as we did't had an idea about the procedure. But it was quite simple. no problem :)
i am sorry for hurting you, but i think it is more honourable if you learn to respect the dead, instead of encouraging religious discussion over dead body.
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If your friend or a close friend is a shia and he suddenly dies and you go to his janaza...
Would you insist to his family members to have a sunni janaza read instead of a shia janaza?
If they say " He lived a life of a shia, and thus we will do a shia janaza" Will you then participate in it?
If it was the will of your shia friend that he must have a shia janaza if he died, will you still insist on having a sunni janaza and if a shia janaza eventually take place will you take part in it?
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**WELL I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ALL OF YOU IF WE CALL OURSELF MUSLIMS AND WE DIE AS MUSLIMS REGARDLESS WHEN NAMED OURSELVES SHIA OR SUNNI....
** IF I HAVE A FRIEND WHO DIED BEING A HUMMAN IT IS MY DUTY TO GO TO HIS/HER FUNERAL
** REGARDLESS MY WISH HOW TO HAVE HIS/HER JINAZA IT IS THE DUTY OF THE HEAD OF THE HOUSE TO DECIDE IF NO DECISION ARE MADE
** WHEN WE CALL OURSELVES MUSLIMS WE SHOULD NOT PUT PARTISION BETWEEN US BEING SHIA/SUNI/AMDHI or ELSE THIS IS WHAT MAKE US WEAK
**
Re: If your friend...
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*Originally posted by little human: *
This question is especially for those sunnis who have shia friends, others are welcome to have their say but please NO HARSH WORDS!
If your friend or a close friend is a shia and he suddenly dies and you go to his janaza...
Would you insist to his family members to have a sunni janaza read instead of a shia janaza?
If they say " He lived a life of a shia, and thus we will do a shia janaza" Will you then participate in it?
If it was the will of your shia friend that he must have a shia janaza if he died, will you still insist on having a sunni janaza and if a shia janaza eventually take place will you take part in it?
Your views on this are appreciated.
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I agree with Ayaram actually. It's like asking if you go to a hindu funeral will u insist he be burried instead of cremated. It's just not your place to give instructions. No matter what religion he followed, it's the deceased's familys job to make sure that the body is taken care of according to whatever procedure they follow or do whatever the person had specified he wants done with his body. Yes if the person changed his religion, e.g. if someone converted to Islam then I might feel compelled to point out the proper way according to Islam.
Having said all that it's a dead body. It's your 'Aamaal' that you depend upon from that point on. I don't think a person would be held accountable for the way he was burried. Maybe I should open a new thread...How important is a proper burial!
**First and foremost Iād like to apologise if my post as offended anyone 
I donāt like having misconceptions or being narrow-minded thus I come up here with these questions and I DO have a valid reason for asking such questions.
Would appreciate if you guys would realise that I have not come here to make divisions but to seek you opinion on a matter that I am concerned about.**
You have religious procedure over dead body and I have no intention of insulting any dead body. My question is with regards to the procedures over a deadbody which belongs to a person of a different sect. If I have disrespected them, kindly show me where?
Good for you if you think this way. My point - not everyone thinks so.
Thatās the very reason Iād like to gather more opinion.
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*Originally posted by Femme Fatale: *
I agree with Ayaram actually. Itās like asking if you go to a hindu funeral will u insist he be burried instead of cremated. Itās just not your place to give instruction
I understand what you are saying. You have partially answered my questions.
Who do I have problem with? Point the people out! Where have I ARGUED over the dead ones. I said I am just seeking opinion here.
Code Red thanks again.
Little Human.
So tell me, have you experienced a case, where a shia person died, and some sunni in the jinaza told the imam that he must offer the salat the sunni way?
Sounds a bit far-fetched, but then again, who knows... may be it happens. There are many muslims who just feel its their god-given right to interfere in every issue and force their faith on others. Its not beyond them to create a rucus at the time of jinaza as well.
One of our close relative sdied, and like many other people after the jinaza prayers, I went to the graveyard for the tadfeen. At the time, when the body was being lowered in the ground, a gentleman in the crowd started shouting to the people ordering them to stop reciting quranic ayat and duas. The deceased had young boys and they became totally confused in this time of grief. Some other people in the crowd then took matters in their hands and escorted the gentleman out of the graveyard to stop him for interefering any further during the very emotional time for the family.
Re: If your friendā¦
I dont want to offend ..but this is my replyā¦
1-no i wont ask for janaza to be performed the sunni wayā¦
2- I f i have solid prove that the person do not belived in the concepts which the suni scholars consider kuffar and the imam is also of the same good aqeedah (may shiaz doo have these good aqaedh) iāll pray the janaza ..otherwise i have no reason to be hypocrate..iāll politly refuse to partcipate ..or will just reach the place after the janazahā¦
3-same as above..
p.sāmost of my childhood friends are shiazā¦
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*Originally posted by Faisal: *
Little Human.
So tell me, have you experienced a case, where a shia person died, and some sunni in the jinaza told the imam that he must offer the salat the sunni way?
Sounds a bit far-fetched, but then again, who knows... may be it happens. There are many muslims who just feel its their god-given right to interfere in every issue and force their faith on others. Its not beyond them to create a rucus at the time of jinaza as well.
One of our close relative sdied, and like many other people after the jinaza prayers, I went to the graveyard for the tadfeen. At the time, when the body was being lowered in the ground, a gentleman in the crowd started shouting to the people ordering them to stop reciting quranic ayat and duas. The deceased had young boys and they became totally confused in this time of grief. Some other people in the crowd then took matters in their hands and escorted the gentleman out of the graveyard to stop him for interefering any further during the very emotional time for the family.
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The answer to your first question is NO. Basically such questions just came up my mind.
In olden days, in our pind a body of a shia arrived back home for burial. The shia who died had told his relatives earlier that they must perform a shia janaza. The sunni neighbours etc said that they won't participate in the janaza coz "They didn't know how to pray shia janaza". the relatives told the neighbours "Sanu shan-o- shokat dee koinee ror, asee apay janaza par ginnay aan" {In the Pind it's like falana falana day janaza ich ihtney log jama aye etc}
Thus only a few relatives did the shia janaza and the sunni's stood aside and watched them do it.
Makes me wonder, but more than that someone dear to me died very suddenly- was a shia but was given sunni janaza first overseas, after the sunni janaza was over the shia one was given subsequently, when the body flew back to my pind. The sunni janaza took place. [Reason was "saray sunni hai yahan" plus everyone was grief-stricken] A shia molvi who knew him came as fast as he could and arrived in time for janaza but prepartations for a sunni janaza was underway so shia molvi said "no problem I will read the additional things" so when the body was lowered the molvi jumped into the grave and read the taqlin etc. while the others watched.
Basically I don't have much problem with it Allah ka shukar hai kay janaza tou mila :)
I was just wondering how far one might go and an additional question....Is it farz on a muslim man to attend a janaza or it's just optional?
Bao bihari thanks for your reply :)
Salat-ul-Janaza, according to Sunni schools of thoughts, is **Fardh al Kifayaa **which means if few of the neighbours performed it, it is as if the fardh is taken care of by the whole community.
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*Originally posted by Anwaar Qureshi: *
Salat-ul-Janaza, according to Sunni schools of thoughts, is **Fardh al Kifayaa **which means if few of the neighbours performed it, it is as if the fardh is taken care of by the whole community.
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... and if no one performs it, then the whole community is sinful.
Right?
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*Originally posted by Faisal: *
... and if no one performs it, then the whole community is sinful.
Right?
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Correct.. it's a collective act.
My answers would be the same as ibn-e-sadique and anwaar, and for those people who are coming on this thread and are asking little human, that how he/she is disrespecting the dead and all and how this thread is nothing but nonsense, I think their posts are nothing but nonsense. The very purpose of this GUPISTAN is to come here chit chat, learn about things and ask the stupidest things.
Each of you who questioned the thread openner, that how this is a stupid question and all, i must ask you people, when you guys go in other forums, like culture, sports and especially fashion, when it comes to that, every one so willing to participate so much in that thread; and when it comes to questions where you can actually learn something about how things should be done, in the light of religion, we criticize. Its a pity how people think about certain things.
-Salman
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*Originally posted by Anwaar Qureshi: *
Salat-ul-Janaza, according to Sunni schools of thoughts, is **Fardh al Kifayaa **which means if few of the neighbours performed it, it is as if the fardh is taken care of by the whole community.
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Thanks now I know more :)
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*Originally posted by SalmanNY: *
My answers would be the same as ibn-e-sadique and anwaar, and for those people who are coming on this thread and are asking little human, that how he/she is disrespecting the dead and all and how this thread is nothing but nonsense, I think their posts are nothing but nonsense. The very purpose of this GUPISTAN is to come here chit chat, learn about things and ask the stupidest things.
Each of you who questioned the thread openner, that how this is a stupid question and all, i must ask you people, when you guys go in other forums, like culture, sports and especially fashion, when it comes to that, every one so willing to participate so much in that thread; and when it comes to questions where you can actually learn something about how things should be done, in the light of religion, we criticize. Its a pity how people think about certain things.
-Salman
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Thanks for your reply :)
As example of unity amongst Muslims;
On some places: the city where I live.
Shias pray with Sunnies, Namaz e Janaza of a Sunni, stand shoulder to shoulder, behind Sunni Imam e Jamat
And
Sunnies pray with Shia Namaz e Janaza of a Shia, stand shoulder to shoulder, behind Shia Imam e Jamat
On some places including my village
Shia and Sunnies Pray Namaz e Janaza one after the other. Behind their own imam.
Bury their dead bodies in same Graveyard. Offer Fitiha and say Salam each time passing by.
welcome any time 
Interesting
SalmanNY
little human
I just found something very interesting while reading through the Aqeedah of Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jama'a, which is related to your query here. This is one the Beleifs of 'Sunnis'.
*69. We agree with doing the prayer behind any of the people of the qiblah whether right-acting or wrong-acting, and doing the funeral prayer over any of them when they die. *
Re: If your friend...
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*Originally posted by little human: *
This question is especially for those sunnis who have shia friends, others are welcome to have their say but please NO HARSH WORDS!
If your friend or a close friend is a shia and he suddenly dies and you go to his janaza...
Would you insist to his family members to have a sunni janaza read instead of a shia janaza?
If they say " He lived a life of a shia, and thus we will do a shia janaza" Will you then participate in it?
If it was the will of your shia friend that he must have a shia janaza if he died, will you still insist on having a sunni janaza and if a shia janaza eventually take place will you take part in it?
Your views on this are appreciated.
:-/
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Yes - I will go to his jinaza
No - I would not insist on having the janaza in sunni way.
No- I would not insist.
With due respect, I consider shias as having a problem with their aqeeda but I still consider them as Muslim brothers.