If ure hubby beats u

[MM]

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@SaeedinPakistan

I’d disgree there MM

An-Nisa: 34

So hitting wives is condoned, unless wives are obedient. This isn’t my personal view but it’s what the book says. Am I taking this out of context? Defend this!
Surat An-Nisa’ [4:34] - The Noble Qur’an - ??? ???

The translation I have from the same ayat is spelled out much better.

Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient (to Allah and to their husbands), and guard in the husband’s absence what Allah orders them to guard (e.g. their chastity, their husband’s property, etc.). As to those women on whose part you see ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful), but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allah is Ever Most High, Most Great.

Source

Same concept, better word choice.
So Laymen terms:
If your wife is unfaithful, first, try and work out the problem and conflict by talking to her. (Same as the first verse I quoted.) Then, if the problem persists, cut her off from “sharing beds”. And if after that she still doesn’t stop, then beat her. And even then, lightly. Not giving her bruises/ cuts/ making her look like death just passed her.

The Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said, “The best among you are those who treat their wives in the best manner.” - Al-Tirmidhi, Hadith 217

[MM]

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Not to turn this into a religious lesson, but saying that our religion condones "occasional beatings" is nothing short of BS.

[SaeedinPakistan]

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I've already read your version of the translation, you probably missed the editing. However it doesn't limit beating to just women who're unfaithful. It says to those women on whose part you see ill-conduct. That's open to interpretation. And even if it said "if they're unfaithful", it doesn't allow women to flog their husbands when they're unfaithful. Are you okay with being flogged if your husband thinks your conduct was unbecoming of his high standards.

[SaeedinPakistan]

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@MM

Not to turn this into a religious lesson, but saying that our religion condones "occasional beatings" is nothing short of BS.

But it does. You can't pick and choose. Either you accept the religion as a whole or just call quits.

[MM]

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@SaeedinPakistan

But it does. You can’t pick and choose. Either you accept the religion as a whole or just call quits.

Lol!! What…?

So either I accept that it would be OK for a man to beat me, or I’m a non-believer of Islam as a whole?

And no, Islam does not condone occasional beatings. Even in the texts that both you and I quoted… it does not say “if you wife doesn’t do as you say, beat the crap out of her.”
It says, talk it out/ work it out, take something away from her, and then, if needed**,** lightly hit her.

Either way, I’m pretty sure these cowards that beat their wives aren’t think about religious allowance while hitting her. They’re just mad their chai wasn’t hot or that she didn’t call him “his highness”.

[SaeedinPakistan]

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So either I accept that it would be OK for a man to beat me, or I'm a non-believer of Islam as a whole?
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Sorry if that's how I sounded. What I meant was, stop being apologetic. The religion says hitting is allowed.
And what's light? Who defines light?
It's hard to take a religion seriously when it has teachings like this. You might be okay with spousal abuse, I'm not.

[SaeedinPakistan]

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They're just mad their chai wasn't hot or that she didn't call him "his highness".
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Who's to say this doesn't come under the category of ill-conduct?

The righteous women are devoutly obedient aren't they. And chai any colder than 75 Celcius probably translates to disobedience, who knows.

[MM]

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@SaeedinPakistan

Sorry if that’s how I sounded. What I meant was, stop being apologetic. The religion says hitting is allowed.
And what’s light? Who defines light?
It’s hard to take a religion seriously when it has teachings like this. You might be okay with spousal abuse, I’m not.

So I’m sitting here arguing with you over this, you’re defending it based on what you thing the scriptures are saying… and you think I’m OK with domestic abuse? LOL…

@SaeedinPakistan

Who’s to say this doesn’t come under the category of ill-conduct?

The righteous women are devoutly obedient aren’t they. And chai any colder than 75 Celcius probably translates to disobedience, who knows.

Well, if we’re going to sit here and choose to cling onto just one excerpt, then here’s another translation, which goes into detail about what is considered “ill-conduct” in this verse.

The Glorified Allah does not permit men to beat their wives. This action is considered as ZULM –Cruelty and an evil deed.

Only under strict conditions, the man can punish his wife.

These conditions have been clarified by verses and hadiths.

“Men are guardians over women because Allah has made some of them excel others, and because they (men) spend of their wealth. The good women are the obedient, guarding (themselves) as Allah has guarded them when they are alone. For those, on whose part you fear desertion and lust (toward others), warn them, leave them alone in their sleeping-places and beat them. Then if they obey, do not seek another way against them. Allah is High, (and) Great.”(An-Nisa/The Women 4/34)

…The ‘obeying women’ in the 34[SUP]th[/SUP] verse of An-Nisa are the women who obey Allah. If we consider this statement to express ‘the women who obey their husbands’ then we should understand the statement in the Surah Al-Ahzab to express ‘the men who obey their wives’. It means that the system of rules in a family is set by the couple, which would lead to familial dispute. When both of the spouses obey the rules set by Allah, it leads to a clear satisfactory system in the family.

Feel free to read the entire fatwa. It goes into the nitty gritty.

Fatwa Source

[SaeedinPakistan]

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Fatwa is someones interpretation of the Surah. Someone more extreme could issue a different Fatwa. The verse is open to a diverse array of interpretations.

I guess I should just give up. I'm not in the mood to explain why I have a problem with the religion. Good for you that you have faith.

[queen_24]

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@Khalil KhaaN FaaKhta

hayeN? :o maiN en to aapkii post tak nahiiN paRhii to merii post aapke silsile se kaise huii?

@SaeedinPakistan

That’s different. He has to give up or he won’t get roti.

nhi nhi ab me ittti b zaalim nhi

[rolla_coaster]

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this remind me of that joke

a husband slaps her wife and says "banda osi ko marta hai jis say pyar nahi karta"
wife punches him a few time till hes breathless and replies"tou aap ko kya lagta hai ke main aap say pyar nahi karti"

and please beat each other and justify with religious statements. Everyone needs a beating these days.
BRB leme beat my wife because she doesnt understand I dont like garam masala in my food. Zuban say thori samjhay gi begum aur humanity naam ki cheez tou hai nahi aaj kal.

[queen_24]

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[Janjua39]

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one or two beatings is good for you women, keeps you in line.

[WendyDarling]

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If your husband beats you, you leave him.

[WendyDarling]

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@Janjua39

one or two beatings is good for you women, keeps you in line.

wth?

[rolla_coaster]

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yeah BEATING FOR ALL THE WOMEN. beat for the ego boast!.

[TLK]

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ek buzurg ne farmaya hai ke aurat mard ke paoon kee jooti hai.

All women should recite the above saying 100 times a day, as a reminder

[queen_24]

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Niksik…where are you??

[happyheart]

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In my opinion our Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was walking / talking Quran.
We should not just extract quotes and put it here because without the knowlege of Hadith and Islamic Jurisprudence...and a lot more...we cannot exactly understand the true meaning of a verse.

There is no Verse / Hadith or any prove that the Prophet (Muhammad) did hit his wife. That is the only prove for me that the husbands should NOT hit their wifes.

[KKF]

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spousal battery/beating is a sign of ignorance...jihaalat kii nishaanii hai...PERIOD!!!