If the involvment of a foreign country found in the terrorist attack..

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yes if Arabs or anyone else is found involved we should deal with them in the same manner as with anyone else. Why should we show any leniency towards any Arab country if they are involved in sabotaging Pakistan. Pakistan comes first. Stuff the enemies whoever they are.

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Since your thick head is refusing to get very simple information into it. Let me spell it out for you.
I have written in very clear terms that Pakistan will never to go war with it allies, no matter what the circumstances and what Indian day-dreamers like you are wishing.

However if some sort of involvement is found, we have other ways to deal with them strictly!.

Deny Deny Deny. This is all you can say and keep saying.

Who cares what Zaid Hamid says, and who is he?

I am stating the position of a common Pakistani.

Terrorists trained by enemies are butchering our brothers and sisters day in day out. Enough is enough, before we die with another terrorist attack, we must go to full throttle war with those who are doing it to our families and make it very clear to them that if we go down you go down with us.

This is the position that now a common Pakistani is taking.

Indian support for terrorism is a fact that even your burying-the-head-in-sand stance can NOT change.

Having said that, without hard and irrefutable evidence, I am not jumping to any conclusion and accusing any country (even an enemy like India) of being involved in this war act.

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^ hm, guess pointed questions are not your cuppa.

What I am deducing from this long non-reply is that if you find irrefutable evidence that arabs are involved, you would not declare war on them but if it is non-arabs, then you will declare war on them. This conflict an confusion is why you guys are unable to reign in agencies in your establishment that wittingly or unwittingly end up aiding the terrorists!

I am glad there are people like Ehsan who have a clearer stand on this matter and put their country before anyone or anything else.

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Suprise, surpise....Pakistan's strongest, time tested and staunchest ally is a non-arab and non-Muslim country. So your cheek-in-the-tongue rantings don't fit in here.

And we do differentiate between Arabs and allies. Saudis are our allies, I can't say the same about other Arab countries.

I fully back up Ehsan Bhai, that Pakistan comes first and should it be established with very very hard and irrefutable evidence that ANY country (Arab or not) is involved in all the mayhem and war acts on Pakistan, then that country is NOT our ally but an enemy.

And in this case we should deal with it just like an enemy.

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^ @achterbahn - I made it abundantly clear and open in my question that I was talking about Saudi Arabia (my mentioning Saudi, arabians and KSA are good clues I think), so I don't know why you think I was speaking tongue in cheek or hinting at anything more.

I know you'd like it to see that it was USA or India or Uk or Israel that was behind the attacks but I also know that when you exercise objectivity, you know that the culprits are funded from elsewhere. And I am not talking about China either.

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1) Our remaining Orions are currently being serviced in the US, and the US is selling us 5 more by the end of next year. By the end of this year, 3 of our Orions will be returned from servicing in the US, and 2 more modern Orions will be delivered. The Orions have spent most of their time in service over the past couple of years under US command as part of the coalition task force patrolling the Arabian sea to combat piracy and the smuggling of heavy arms by sea to the Taliban. It would make no sense for the country that you are trying to blame to destroy 2 orions and then give us 5!

2) China is denying that any of its citizens were taken hostage. And US engineers were on the base as well, why are you not assuming that they were targets in the same way as chinese were?

3) Saudis have the most advanced weapons in the world outside of the USA. Because they buy all of the most advanced equipment that the USA allows for export.

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chelo good to hear tht 3 of the orions will return!! we do need them!

btw ... in your view ... if their motive was not to destroy the planes .. then wht was it?

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Wrong!

Try again.

The most advanced weapon equipment in the world outside USA, that USA allows to export is where?

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Oh BTW you forgot to mention:

1) There are no CIA spies in Pakistan surveying sensitive installations, roaming around with very advance spy equipment. Not one.
2) Raymond Davis was on a mission to educate children and he was on his way to work when a robbery attempt was made on him. He did not have any weapon, he snatched it from the attacker and killed them in self defense. Oh yeah, he had absolute diplomatic immunity. Pakistan should never have taken him to police station.
3) There are no US mercenaries in Pakistan, no not a single one. It is just an illusion created by Ghairat Brigade
4) Yes we should issue Visas without any checks to ANY American... better even, they should be allowed a visa free travel to anywhere in Pakistan

Come on, any more pearls?

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I think the motive was to embarass Pakistan's military as much as possible. Pakistan is a populous country, life is cheap. Anyone in Pakistan can be easily replaced, so killing people doesn't accomplish much.

Equipment , though, equipment is harder. I think the goal was to humiliate the armed forces by destroying the most valuable things possible, and then just to make a statement for as long as possible by fighting for the maximum amount of time before escaping. That way you:

1) Cause real pain to the state and armed forces by destroying that which cannot be easily replaced.
2) Make the army look weak by not being able to quickly deal with an attack at one of its strongest facilities
3) Humiliate the army by then escaping.

There's an article in the News International from Pakistan today which makes a credible case that the usual militants were behind this, now led by Said Al-Adal and Ilyas Kashmiri. Both were former special forces officers and would know how to train people in the tactics and weapons used in this raid, it is what they would have specialised in during their professional careers.

Militants in Pakistan, like militants elsewhere, always need to build their support to achieve their long term goals. In the case of the TTP-Al Qaeda alliance, they want the democratic government overthrown and a more militant, extremist state to replace it in Pakistan.

This raid was immensely successful in proving that the Pakistani military is not as strong as it wants people to think it is. The military can be defeated, not by the armies of some immensely powerful nation, but by a small band of dedicated individuals. I am sure that in places throughout Pakistan where sympathy of the TTP exists, people who were afriad to openly support the TTP because they did not believe that the TTP could prevail against the Army are now more confident that it can, and more people will actively take part in TTP activities.

Militancy and terrorism are never irrational acts. The purpose is never just to kill and maim, it is always to make a statement, to build further power, and to further the cause.

After months of defeat by the Pakistani army in the TTP's heartland, the TTP has shown that it can defeat the armed forces in their homeland. To those who lean towards supporting them, the TTP have shown that they can win, and they will take heart from it.

This attack is a disaster for Pakistan. The lost P-3s will be replaced soon. The people lost to the militant cause will be harder to win back.

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Our problem is actually more real then just conspiracy theories which is being written in this and other countless threads, you can't deny the fact:

1) 90% of our military equipment is of US & European origin.

2) We are dependent on money from US/Europe & Arab a$$hole brothers.

3) We helped creating the insurgency in Afghanistan long before then USSR invaded.

4) We recruit & brainwash the gay-monkeys around the world, now hundred of thousands are living around us in our cities.

5) We think of Taliban/Gay-monkeys as our strategic assets, even today.

6) Morale of Pakistan is in the lowest, our nuclear assets becomes liability for us.

7) Unthinkable happens in Pakistan only never in any other country, attack on the Military Headquarters (GHQ) & Naval base.

8) Taliban took over SWAT with population over 2 million, is this a joke or what?

We are just going deep in this shyt day by day. Still we have people writing conspiracies theories and world war 2 era generals sitting on tv shows and claiming it's done by israel & america. What the fk.

When Halaku Khan laid siege of Baghdad, our mullahs were discussing whether crow is halal or haram. Today we are in worst condition.

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Saudi Arabia buys most of the same equipment that Israel buys from the USA. There is no technological lead there anymore, much to Israel's annoyance. Check the details of the $60bn arms sale that the US agreed with Saudi a few years ago, and Israel's reaction to it.

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Full scale wars are so yesterday unless difference of power is 1:100

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@achterbahn - I just don't understand why you refuse to accept that middle-eastern arab money funds many if not most terrorist groups in Pakistan. Why are you more interested in protecting them than getting at the truth and protecting your own country?

I don't mean this as an affront - just want to understand what drives you to your postion

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Yeah TTP monkeys are manufacturing all that most advanced equipment in their caves, which even Pak army doesn't have.

Oh wait, the Saudis provided that equipment to TTP terrorist monkeys to attack the Pak army.

Any chance? ANY chance at all that you will look beyond the box?

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In case you have missed it, the TTP have been raiding NATO supply convoys travelling from Pakistan to Afghanistan for years. This sort of loot would not be hard to come by.

And what do you mean the Pakistan Army doesn't have that equipment? There was nothing used in the attack that the Pakistan Army doesn't use, except for M4 carbines, which we do not use because we use the more accurate G3 rifle.

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Actually, when I look beyond the box, I see that you are an Indian agent. You want Pakistan to declare war against a superior force just so that our military can be crushed, leaving a clear field for India to declare a "police action" to "restore order", like in Hyderabad in 1948.

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I posted the following in a different thread but feel it is relevant here. The “report” is the one that was OP in the “New kind of Militant” thread

interesting, this report says:

  1. They knew the internal layout of the base very well
  2. they knew who is housed where
  3. they were well trained as military unit
  4. They knew existence of and went after the planes
  5. they were well equipped
  6. They knew how to get inside the base and
  7. they did not want to inflict mass casualties of people inside the base

That points out that the attackers were either ex- or current Pakistani military people! :shikari:

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You are landed at right conclusion.

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:rotfl:

@achterbahn - just so you know this is how India gets blamed whenever you guys are unable to or do not want to admit your real problems

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Or they didn’t want to get distracted and kept focused on their primary objectives.