wasn’t Haraam, a major Sin, something horribly wrong, how many people would have contemplated it at one time or another during their lives. How many of you have…?
Everyone has their worst times some ppl have them over and over, but what makes ppl actually abandon all hope and just decide to leave it all and kill themselves? Is a suicidal person’s brain in a defying, dysfunctional mode?
these are three diff questions. I’d like to read your responses guys!
Thanks!
Never. Suicide is retarded. Why take the easy way out, when things could change in a matter of a day?
Even the Holy Prophet :saw: contemplated suicide a few times…In fact he went to hurl himself off a mountain quite a few times and it was Jibraeel :as: who always blocked him…This however was way, way before he received prophethood…
But the thing is, suicide is thought about by people who are depressives…And the strange thing is that almost every great writer, leader, statesman and politician has been a depressive…
Thinking of suicide is haraam especially in Ramadan…However, those that do think about suicide are the people who constantly try to better themselves in the eyes of others and in their impatience to achieve this, think about suicide…And when they are depressed, they try to approach others to try and make them even more comfortable with them, and that’s what makes these depressed people so great…Constantly clownish people are a bore…
My favorite scholar, the ‘Doctor of the Heart’, the ‘Shaikh-ul-Islam’, Imam Ibn Taymiyyah says, "A Muslim is one who constantly thinks that people dislike him, but in reality, it’s the other way round.’
Does this make you feel better? 
Lajawab could you shows me some source where i can read for myself concerning Prophet Muhammed contemplating suicide before prophethood ?
Ive just never read anything about that...
It’s in Raheeq-ul-Makhtoom…I believe it’s the second chapter…It was also because the signs of prophethood were weighing heavily on him and he couldn’t comprehend what was going on…
Alhumdulillah, Allah :swt:'s plans are flawless…
I would never!
Things do get hopeless sometimes, but as they say there's always light at the end of tunnel.
Every good and bad thing comes to an end and sometimes its not that easy. But you just have to tough it out. Try helping some people, that always helps me feel good about myself.
Interesting topic.
It's easy to say we would never contemplate of it ourselves, but when one is in that situation......the proverbial light at the end of the tunnel can seem a darn far way off.
i have to go now but will try to post more thoughts later.
i didnt know thinking about it was also haram... hmm geez i have sinned in this department too!
hmm i havent actually contemplated on going ahead with suicide.. but it has crossed my mind.. (no i aint depressed.. could be.. hmm) but ive thought bout how it would feel.. what would ones reaction be at committing such an act.. i mean just thoughts basically..
a few weeks ago, a very young girl 'died' in a tragic accent.. i was later to find out it was suicide.. and that made me think.. even ur death is deceptive.. i mean some people commit suicide to prove a point, but their death gets labled a 'tragic accident'.. no one (well not ur family) will admit the real reason.. they'll stay in denial all their lives and believe it happened cus the time had come..
neways... im going off topic..
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I would never!
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Never say never.....
Re: If Suicide......
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*Originally posted by Haris Zuberi: *
wasn't Haraam, a major Sin, something horribly wrong, how many people would have contemplated it at one time or another during their lives. How many of you have...?
Everyone has their worst times some ppl have them over and over, but what makes ppl actually abandon all hope and just decide to leave it all and kill themselves? Is a suicidal person's brain in a defying, dysfunctional mode?
these are three diff questions. I'd like to read your responses guys!
Thanks!
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okay. i kind of tried it n i did or do think about it from time to time.. but too coward to do anything. its easier to say "i wud never do it" but the fact is .. u wud because at that time u r so helpless, emotional, depressed and hurting that u WUD think about it if not act on it. its not a disease or brain going crazy. its a state of mind like hypnosis. u r suggestable, open to any thing that cud hurt or ease the pain.
i think jin logon ko suicide karna hota hay, they do attempt it without thinking halal or haram.
suicide is for cowards!!!!
Fret, I totally agree with you BUT "things do not change in one day" thats exagerration. :) If that had ever been the case, we would not be witnessing and reading about all those suicides that are taking place in our society. But well, that has more to do with the socio-economic factors...the deeply entranched poverty, the constricting social practices or mal-practices rather, leave little room for hope...(we are very privileged in many respects, so we cannot ever fathom what people go through)
Now Haris,
Well, I have. I never thought I would ever but there are times when God tests His people. And no its not about your brain being dysfunctional but yes you are in a state of defiance... It is not like you loose your sanity but attimes it is a very conscious decision that one makes.(imagine when you know back home your father's *** bore Mouser(sp) lying fully loaded in your closet, its not that difficult then,eh :-D
With almost everything at my disposal, good education, independence, strong faith... yes I did consider(like Sadz mentioned, it crossed my mind) this option.But well, lets say it was my faith, perseverance and patience that I never went for it :-) and chose a rather difficult course for myself...
Its about loosing hope.. Not always. I mean think of it in this way. You have all the options. You can have what you want and adopt a devil may care attitude.But when you know one step towards your chosen direction and you end up loosing one of the 3 people forever. Now thats a precarious situation... Sometimes, its also about saving another life/lives...
So the crux of this whole debate in my view is that its not always insanity that drives you to take such a step ...
^ well said lost soul...
frankly, i think if suicide was not haram, a lot of people would have committed it
i mean sometimes people really dont see a point in living further
ppl whose families are killed in wars for example
or ppl who suffer daily b/c of painful diseases like cancer and aids
life to them is a constant painful struggle
imho for a lot of ppl the only thing keeping them from suicide is the fact that its haram
^ you are absolutely right.. its not sanctioned in our religion :)
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i didnt know thinking about it was also haram... hmm geez i have sinned in this department too!
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No...thinking about it isn't haraam but attempting is strictly not allowed in Islam...
Anyways, it doesn't matter whether suicide is haraam or not for those who do attempt to commit it because they are prolly those who are hopeless and don't believe in prayers. They don't think that God will make things better one day.
A lot of times in the past, I wished I could commit a suicide but I knew I would never because I believe others(my family, friends and others who love me more than themselves) have a right over MY life; therefore, I'll live FOR them(if not for myself) as long as they need me. For me, it will be selfish to commit a suicide!
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*Originally posted by irem: *
frankly, i think if suicide was not haram, a lot of people would have committed it
i mean sometimes people really dont see a point in living further
ppl whose families are killed in wars for example
or ppl who suffer daily b/c of painful diseases like cancer and aids
life to them is a constant painful struggle
imho for a lot of ppl the only thing keeping them from suicide is the fact that its haram
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I don't agree. It may be haram in our religion, but how many of us do things that are haram in Islam. Plus the fact that there's millions of people who are not muslim.
Bottom line is that somebody who is committing suicide is not in the right frame of mind, and at that stage I don't think being true to religion would be such a high priority.
PS: oops, didn't read thru the last post before mine.
Everything what Lajawaab said here is true i agree with him;) :biggthumb
lost soul :)
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I don't agree. It may be haram in our religion, but how many of us do things that are haram in Islam. Plus the fact that there's millions of people who are not muslim.
Bottom line is that somebody who is committing suicide is not in the right frame of mind, and at that stage I don't think being true to religion would be such a high priority.
PS: oops, didn't read thru the last post before mine.
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TofiBaba its not just haram but i have heard that a person who commits suicide goes straight to hell...thats the common belief...so its something stronger than haram...its like a straight ticket to dozakh...Allah o Alim
Great responses all of you guys! Thanks alot!
and,
Lajawab
i think youre right. the constant uneasiness with self is common to all great souls, philosophers, prophets, heroes and feeling that one isn't good enough drives one to extreme measures sometimes.
TofiBaba
yes, hopelessness is a sin, and hopeless ppl just cant see the tunnel at the end, patience and faith saves ppl from taking the leap.
Nadia_H
yeah youre right, it's the sudden diasppearence of the 'light' that drives ppl to manic depressions and makes them abandon all hope. they cant see the way out of their situations and often there are no ways out of situations. I'd like to hear more of your views.
Irem,
i think you are 100% right. that was what i was trying to hear. if it was halal, the world's population would have been much less. cause a true philospher or smart person sees no point in the day to day drag of this mortal life.
lost souls and corruptangel
yup! faith and responsibilty.
According to our religion we know that it's haram and the ones who kill themselves go to hell. But the thing is, people who are so miserbale and caught up in such circumstances that for them life, as they could see it at the moment, is nothing but countinuous misery with no way out, decide to end their lives because they are either at conflict with their selves or with the society or with the standards set by the society and find ther selves not good enough to live on. rape victims, failed students, refused lovers, poor people, unempolyed ppl and many others...
for all these ppl, from our angle the problems are not big enough to drive them to such extremes but for them, their problems are larger than life and bigger than mortals to handle easily. so they see no point in carrying on as failure/ incomplete/ not good enough ppl and so they take a quick exit. Why do ppl lose sight of the light of hope, the ray of Gods mercy, the Faith...?? what should people caught up in tough claustrophobic situations without easy ways out do...?
Fretwizard was right sometimes things chnage in a day, but sometimes thay never...and keep getting worse, what should those ppl do to hold on to hope and faith?