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Peace queer,
That what I would like to know if the polytheist religions don't fall under the umbrella of monotheism than from where its came? I mean where the roots comes from?
this question is the quintessential frog in the well paradox.
the moon reflects in the well water, does that mean the moon is from the well? the frog says yes, because the well is all it can think within.
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^ kind of like "what came first, the chicken or the egg"?
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Without challenging my own belief system, and purely for the sake of debate - I might want to say that monotheism seems to orignagte from polytheism. Just like scientist realized that we dont need 4 different forces and they must be a different form and shape of one unified force, religious minds thought that why do we need so many gods, when one God can take care of everything, so instead of having 99 Gods, we can have one God with all those 99 powers.
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not exactly, khattichic. for someone like LKK, to whom thinking that there are other independent ideas of divinity other than the islamic version, is anathema. every answer must fit his narrow view of the world. hence, this isn't even a discussion of reality.
Re: If Religion Was Created…
Peace Muqawee,
If i’m not wrong than one who jumps red signal (violate traffic law) will face cconsequence. That means the only person who will face the consequences is that who violated the law not the whole community, group or else. Similar to that those muslims who jumps red will face same consequence. Here i’m not talking about groups but i’m talking about whole universe.
I agree with your point and I think rather than pointing fingures on each others beliefs, we shall learn from each others to better understand which religion is true by searching till its core.
Peace Khattichic,
I’m 100% satisfied by this verse:
The Qur’an says in Chapter 49 Verse 13: “O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted.”
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LKK a simple ideology: The biggest religion is to respect others, whether you agree with their ideology or not. My 25 paisa. :)
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I think the reason most polytheistic faiths don't face struggles is because most have been physically wiped out.
Jews destroyed polytheism in Palestine
Christians destroyed polytheism in Europe, the Americas, and large parts of Africa and the far east.
Muslims destroyed polytheism in the Middle East, Central Asia, large parts of Africa and the far east.
The only areas where polytheism survived were parts of Africa, India, and the far east.
Given this history, it is illogical to say that polytheism does not struggle. Polytheism has historically been offensive to all 3 Abrahamic faiths and their adherents have historically strived to stamp it out in all areas under their control.
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I believe as mentioned in Holy Qur’an: “And of all things We created two mates; perhaps you will remember.”
^:smack:
May God guide you on right path. ‘Ameen’.
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Any one wonders why evolved religions have multiple gods while invented/founded religions have just one?
Infact monotheist (so called) religions have attacked polytheistic religions to convert them in to their own new found doctrine.
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What do you mean by evolved and how its distinguishable from the invented/ founded one?
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Any one wonders why evolved religions have multiple gods while invented/founded religions have just one?
Infact monotheist (so called) religions have attacked polytheistic religions to convert them in to their own new found doctrine.
That is what pagandom did in ancient era of Arab and continued till they willingly reverted to the true doctrine of monotheism. The reverted never forced to revert nor attacked. In fact the followers of polytheistic religions were failed to produce one logical reason to divinize their gods as I can see, none of non-Muslim produced any single references from their divine book.
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Any one wonders why evolved religions have multiple gods while invented/founded religions have just one?
Infact monotheist (so called) religions have attacked polytheistic religions to convert them in to their own new found doctrine.
What do you mean by evolved and how its distinguishable from the invented/ founded one?
there is basic difference between both polytheism and monotheism and that is approach towards god, Monotheistic religions were revealed, and originated just from one source, it is from god to man. Polytheistic religions are human understanding of nature, ie one reason that different god represent different power of nature. Polytheistic religions are from man to god, hence difference is not one god or many but the approach of understanding mystic deity called god. one is established by human and other evolved with the process of evolution.
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What do you mean by evolved and how its distinguishable from the invented/ founded one?
evolved religions evolve just like us. evolved religions come up with the contribution of different ages and no one can claim to be the source of that religion. evolving religions keep on evolving and it never stops. another way may be (but not always true) is evolved religions believe in god and god only.
where as founded religions are founded by one person and that person can take the credit for it. it never goes beyond that person's understanding ( may not be true always). but founded religions depend not on god but some human who justifies its stand.
popular belief is jeasus is founder of christianity, muhammad is founder of islam, buddha is founder of buddism (if you call it a religion). but you will never find who invented mayan religion, original arab or greek religions or hinduism.
religions still get founded even today and that is not even a rare sight.
the only new religion which is getting evolved is science and logic.
That is what pagandom did in ancient era of** Arab and continued till they willingly reverted to the true doctrine of monotheism. The reverted never forced to revert nor attacked.** In fact the followers of polytheistic religions were failed to produce one logical reason to divinize their gods as I can see, none of non-Muslim produced any single references from their divine book.
REally?? be honest please.
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Peace kaka_in-usa,
Who said that the Jesus is the founder of chirstianity? Any source from the bible you can quote? whereas the religion ‘Islam’ is revealed in the ‘Quran’ the divine Book of one and true God. Prophet Muhammad 
is the only Messenger/Prophet of one true God same as among many others Messengers/Prophets like the Jesus.
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Any one wonders why evolved religions have multiple gods while invented/founded religions have just one?
evolved out of what?
I am going to take my previous comment back and say that historically, polytheistic religions evolved out of monotheist.
The so called "Kuffar" of Makkah were actually followers of Deen-e-Ibrahimi which was a monotheist religion. They (Kuffar) over the period of time, started remembering their elders, and then for future generations sake, made statues of those elders - and rest is history. The famous Laat and Manaat were not gods, they were spiritual leaders of those people.
Similar thing happened in Christianity, that evolved from monotheism to polytheism through the introduction of the concept of Trinity.
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you dont need reference from the bible instead you need to look in to history book.
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*evolved out of what? *
I am going to take my previous comment back and say that historically, polytheistic religions evolved out of monotheist.
The so called "Kuffar" of Makkah were actually followers of Deen-e-Ibrahimi which was a monotheist religion. They (Kuffar) over the period of time, started remembering their elders, and then for future generations sake, made statues of those elders - and rest is history. The famous Laat and Manaat were not gods, they were spiritual leaders of those people.
Similar thing happened in Christianity, that evolved from monotheism to polytheism through the introduction of the concept of Trinity.
evolved out of common popular belief and society.
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the irony is, you seem to think this is some novel idea. to the followers of these faiths, your god is the one who isn't real. people always get the gods that make the most sense to them.
Peace queer
Fail ... You've made two grave errors in your response here ... My irony is rooted well within Islamic belief system - your irony is in your assertion that a belief in Deity or a Pantheon is the same and one set of believer are the same as every other but at loggerheads.
The fact is upon scrutiny you will find that is not the case ...
Point 1) My religious scriptures say what I said and on the other hand although people may feel that Allah (SWT) is not real, their own scriptures do not bind them to that.
Point 2) Allah (SWT) is known by His Attributes and by negating the Attributes of Allah (SWT) other faiths will negate their own gods, but when we negate the forms of their gods we take nothing away from Allah (SWT) Who is not like any created thing.
Here is the example ... Allah (SWT) is The Most Merciful, The First, The Last ... and so on ... However, we also say that Jesus is not God, there is no Trinity in God ... and we also say that Krishna is not God ... The Name Allah - comes from Al - Ilah which means The Deity ...
If a Christian were to negate Allah (SWT) he would have to say that "The Most Merciful" is not real, damaging his own idea of God. By saying no to Trinity we do not compromise Allah (SWT) in the slightest, but if a Christian says God is not One, he would compromise his own belief and have to accept that Trinity is actually 3 gods and not One God. If someone argued that Allah (SWT) is not the Name of The Deity ... then that is like saying The Deity is not the Name of The Deity ... and sounds compromised.
All in all there is the concept of Allah (SWT) as we know it in every scripture and anywhere where they differ they do so not without conflicting with themselves first.
The idea of Islamic Tawheed is so perfect that one religious person of another faith could not possibly reject it without compromising his own beliefs. The same is not true in reverse.
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I think all religions says that 'there is no image of God, no one can imagine it (in a shape)'. All leads to monotheism.
one of the First Monotheistic Religion having very similar beliefs as Islam was Zoroastrianism, it is very interesting what was believed by Zoroastrians:
From the Gâthâ's, we learn that Zarathustra started to preach that Ahuramazda had created 'the world, mankind and all good things in it' through his holy spirit, Spenta Mainyu. The rest of the universe was created by six other spirits, the Amesha Spentas ('holy immortals'). However, the order of this sevenfold creation was threatened by The Lie; good spirits and evil demons (daeva) were fighting and mankind had to support the good spirits in order to speed up the inevitable victory of Ahuramazda. The believer could side with Ahuramazda by avoiding lies, supporting the poor, several kinds of sacrifices, the cult of fire, et cetera.
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** **Zarathustra also warned the people that there would be a Last Judgment. At the end of times, angels were to lead all men and women across a narrow bridge, where they would be judged by Spenta Manyu (which is described as a beautiful maiden); the friends of The Lie would fall into a large chasm of fire called Worst Existence, but the followers of Zarathustra were to reach Paradise, which goes under the name of House of Best Purpose.
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correct me if I am wrong, but it seems this pre dates Ibrahim ES!
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Peace kaka_in_usa,
The name ‘Christian’ was used for the first time in Antioch, as we read in the Bibile (Acts 11:25-26).
Acts 11:25,26
Acts 11:25-26 “Then Barnabas went to Tarsus to look for Saul,…” NIV - Online Bible Study
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