then why haven’t local universities in Pakistan stepped up to take some share of this market? Pakistanis are willing to go to the remotest unheard corners of the world to get an education, then why haven’t private universities in Pakistan seen this as a business opportunity to raise their education level and provide quality education for far less?
Seriously, just saw a topic about going to study in Ukraine. If a person is willing to pay to study in Ukraine, then I am sure they can be convinced to study in Pakistan if a university provided the same level of education.
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naah - its a matter of "perceived" differences... and social influence from the elites in our society where foreign education is regarded a status symbol.
naah - its a matter of "perceived" differences... and social influence from the elites in our society where foreign education is regarded a status symbol.
foreign education in Ukraine is considered a status symbol? more like a symbol of laughter. I can see many people saying? Ukraine? Where is that? Oh that old Russian state which is worse than most 3rd world countries?
When I was in university in the US I don't think there were any of those super rich Pakistani kids you are talking about. Most lived in the cheapest apartments and drove 15 year old cars. Back then there was a good chance of landing a job through H1-B, but I think that chance is very low nowadays.
Pakistan may have limited seats for the subjects they want to study!
Also don't forget the Safarash factor is crucial for avarage students seeking admissions in Pakistan..........where as atleast in the US admissions are mostly on merit basis.
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The "going to foreign country for higher education" is nothing but a escape route
to get away from pakistan...
couple of years ago, there was a thriving business with all sorts of official representatives of ELITE institutions in Cyprus, Malaysia, St. Vincent, Jamaica etc .
dont know whats the situation like now
The "going to foreign country for higher education" is nothing but a escape route
to get away from pakistan...
couple of years ago, there was a thriving business with all sorts of official representatives of ELITE institutions in Cyprus, Malaysia, St. Vincent, Jamaica etc .
dont know whats the situation like now
How is going to Jamaica, Cyprus, or Malaysia an "escape". I am sure life is a little better in Malaysia or Cyprus, but only for citizens or people with long established roots.
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are you saying opportunities in Malaysia are just marginally more than in Pakistan.
remember not everyone who is going abroad has connections in Pakistan so that is not a concern.
Anyway as far as the original question goes I think u have a couple of issues. Most ppl who are paying large sums out of pocket would probably not go to some startup Pakistani institute because in the great big world out there a degree from Colorado would weigh more let alone an ivy or Oxbridge
Second group that u will have an issue attracting at those levels would be students who work odd jobs to pay for education and working summers and graveyard shifts in USA or uk may give them enough funds but the earningvrate is different in Pakistan. Affordability becomes an issue although if u take out living expenses assuming the Uni is in their city it may take a big sting out
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foreign universities are overrated. that's my opinion.
ive met a few indian guy at uni doing B eng with me and i just dont understand why they would pay $20k a year for a degree. you can probably pay a fraction of that in india and it will be worth the same thing.
stupid idiots.
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sory to add a little late,
its easy here to make money driving cabs and doing security then in Pakistan... here u can study in Melbourne uni or Uni of NSW and can bare ur expenses but do u think youll be ever able to study in Fast, Nust or GIK and bare ur expenses at the same time...????
The only difference is the quality of life is beter here coz there is more middle class thenin Pakistan, in Pakistan we just have uper high class and a lower class and likewise in India.
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First of all there is cut throat merit competition in all Pakistani universities and not everyone who wants to attend a professional college gets an admission. Secondly most people who go to foreign universities (UK, US) do that because they plan to work outside of Pakistan and chances of employment outside Pakistan are much better with a foreign degree than a local degree.
People who go to countries like Ukraine go ther enot because of quality but because no Pakistani professional college will take them. I remember that during my time it was a fad to go to Russia for studying medicine for people who couldnt get admissions in a Pakistani Medical college.
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not sure about this but one reason for Ukraine (which is ridiculous to begin with) might just be that its a backdoor to sneak into europe, legally or illegally.
at the moment theres only a couple of Unies that are good quality enough in Pakistan. Especially for graduate courses, which usually require a decent research wing, which in turn requires government/non government funding. Pakistan just doesnt have that yet, and it would be prohibitively expensive to set something good up.
First of all there is cut throat merit competition in all Pakistani universities and not everyone who wants to attend a professional college gets an admission. Secondly most people who go to foreign universities (UK, US) do that because they plan to work outside of Pakistan and chances of employment outside Pakistan are much better with a foreign degree than a local degree.
People who go to countries like Ukraine go ther enot because of quality but because no Pakistani professional college will take them. I remember that during my time it was a fad to go to Russia for studying medicine for people who couldnt get admissions in a Pakistani Medical college.
But if there were more universities offering the most sought after degrees (engineering, CS, business), then this competition would decrease.
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How does a Pakistani even cope in a place like Russia, or Czech Republic, or Ukraine? Just here in the US, they will endlessly complain about the most pointless things such as how people are so racist, job opportunities for foreigns are few, it's too cold, roads are bad, girls are fat, etc etc. I am sure Czech Republic is the most friendliest country for brown skin people with the best jobs only limited to foreigners.
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problem is that people have not stayed grounded in the country and that is why so much is wrong in the way of believing that only education received abroad is better.
the price of education in university, these days is comparable in many university systems,to that of US. there is more to just the wuality of edu. it has to do with people's mentality about social status quo and socializing at the univ instead of attending a univ for research scholarship singly.
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I'm not sure this is so black and white a situation. My good friend lives in Saudi and born in UK did his degree in UET Lahore and a masters in the UK. Now he works in Saudi. He told me that people had travelled to Pakistan from Africa to study in his department.
Also, where secular education seems to be failing the Islamic education succeeds; Pakistan is considered one of the best places for learning Islam in the world!
The Pakistani education sector needs to be less polarised in order to promote general education throughout its ranks, rather than keeping it for the limited rich few. A revolution is required over the system in Pakistan.
When I was in university in the US I don't think there were any of those super rich Pakistani kids you are talking about.
That's more a function of which university you're talking about. Ivy League & other elite private schools are swimming with fabulously wealthy kids from Pakistan (and the rest of the third world for that matter).
When I was in college, there were quite a few international students from Pakistan...I assumed they were all quite well off...after talking to them for a while, I eventually figured out that the were all the children of major industrialists/generals/politicians/zamindars. The ones from more middle class backgrounds (children of foreign service officers, etc) were actually a tiny minority.
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^ there are quite a few people who are not kids of industrialists/generals/politicians/zamindars, you will find that a large number of students are children of expats, i.e. the family is or was in the middle east, earning good money, enough to send their kids to school in US and pay all or a big chunk of their expenses, many others were children of established prpfessionals and physicians etc.
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I had always assumed most desis (Indians and Pakistans) studying in the US are here with tuition waivers and some grants/aid. Getting financial aid seems to be easier for Indians applying from India than kids born and brought up here in the US.
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getting financial aid is easier for significantly easier for residents. same goes for scholarships.
now the issue is that a lot of the financial aid is need based and kids of parentswho are pretty well established here dont really qualify for needs based grants.
scholarships are easier for residents as well.
if we look at graduate assistantships types of things, then it has other reasons. from family support to students own funds that they earned between undergrad and gradschool, employer funds, or loans..so they can get done get out early and start on a career path versus recent imports who rely on graduate and research assistantships to support their education.
whole diff ballgame
there are many pakistani as well as indian students working odd jobs to support themselves, many of them may even have assistantships and grants but still need additional income.