They would be on the side of India..no matter what.
It is perhaps hard for you to comprehend but I will say this for the 3rd time in this thread...that Indian Muslims (barring a very small Mullah minority) are INDIANS first and MUSLIMS second.
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Why dont you ask this question to some Indian muslims and they will give you the right answer. And please dont ask your president.
As far as kashmir is concerned, you have the same attitude as alot of other Indians concerning any other problem. It is always Pakistan that is to be blamed.
You said that if you were a Kashmiri you would blame Pakistan, i say that you are not a Kashmiri and not a muslim. Its sad that India has hundred of thousands of soldiers there and they are even building wall around the border and you still say that there is small amount of ethnic disturbance. With all these measures, are you saying that India has failed to stop pakistanis who spend most of their lives in madrassa to cross border and kill local people. Trust me, Pakistanis that cross border into India to creat your little disturbances would never be successfull without the local support.
Pakistan should not and would not damage its own interests by wearing kid gloves.
Pakistan did not hesitate to use full force, even against Muslims, to try to prevent the secession of East Pakistan, with the consent of the majority of East Pakistan's religious leaders, who recognised that the local Muslims were in many cases siding with evil. The best interests of a Muslim society lay in unity and would be damaged by secession, and the ulema backed whatever measures were required to preserve that unity.
They'll do so again should there be another Indo-Pak war (God forbid!!!) - you won't find a single mainstream religious scholar who would decry Pakistani attacks in which Indian Muslims die.
It's like how during the Abbasid Khalifat, the ulema authorised jihad against the Fatimid Khalifat - the latter was a nation with a predominantly Sunni population but led by Ismailis. During sieges of Fatimid cities, Abbasid armies were essentially attacking Sunni towns - their sieges killed Sunnis. The best interests of the Sunni Khalifat would be damaged by failure to take the Fatimid-held cities; to take the Fatimid held cities would involve the deaths of many Sunnis living inside; and so authority was given to do so.
If those Indian Muslims are truly innocent, then as innocent victims of a jihad, inshallah they'll be martyrs and be rewarded greatly in the next life.
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Proudpakistani, your this statement is totally false. It is a false statement for officers rank, as well as for soldier' category. It’s a challenge.
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1 to 2% of the army is in fact, "hardly any", especially when once considers Muslims are around 10% of India's population.
Proudpakistani, your this statement is totally false. It is a false statement for officers rank, as well as for soldier' category. It’s a challenge.
And Rahi Masum Raza, an Indian Muslim writer says that he does not understand the existence of Pakistan. Let us bash him!
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You are talking about one person that fails to understand the existance of Pakistan, ever since 1947 most Indians failed to accept Pakistans existance. But they are the first ones to blame their problems on Pakistan. Even Nehru was hoping that Jinnah would beg him to take Pakistan back into India.
As far as my statement about muslims in Indian army is concerned, please prove it to me. I would love to hear that more muslims are joining Indian army.
As I said before, we do not need anyones help to defend our country. So indian muslims on our side or not, we know how to defend ourselves.
Now if Muslim percentage in the army is less ( if you call 2% representation less) then is it the problem of the country or the muslim population?you guys talk as if Indian army tries to shoo away them..
I see.... their crime, they did not migrate to Pakistan... Was that in Quran or Hadith? .... since you are using Islam and Jihad to justify this logic I would be intrested in your thought process on how you came to this conclusion. Is that based on how wars were fought in Prophet's time? or is there a fatwa/ijtihad on this?
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Verily! As for those whom the angels take (in death) while they are wronging themselves (as they stayed among the disbelievers even though emigration was obligatory for them), they (angels) say (to them): "In what (condition) were you?" They reply: "We were weak and oppressed on earth." They (angels) say: "Was not the earth of Allâh spacious enough for you to emigrate therein?" Such men will find their abode in Hell - What an evil destination! (An-Nisa 4:97)
Except the weak ones among men, women and children who cannot devise a plan, nor are they able to direct their way. (An-Nisa 4:98)
For these there is hope that Allâh will forgive them, and Allâh is Ever Oft Pardoning, Oft-Forgiving. (An-Nisa 4:99)
He who emigrates (from his home) in the Cause of Allâh, will find on earth many dwelling places and plenty to live by. And whosoever leaves his home as an emigrant unto Allâh and His Messenger, and death overtakes him, his reward is then surely incumbent upon Allâh. And Allâh is Ever Oft_Forgiving, Most Merciful. (An-Nisa 4:100)
so buddy migrating towards muslim society is OBLIGATORY, and if they dont and intentionally live in kafir lands where they are oppressed, and when they are killed, angels smite their necks and allah will punish them except for weak women and children and old ppl...wallah o alam,
Indian Muslims in India are like trash that kicked around the street. They mould into whatever is expected of them and are constantly in the need of "proving" their patriotism. One only has to notice the number of Hindu-Muslim marriages, which are done just to gain more acceptance in mainstream society.
BTW, Hindu-Muslim marriages are invalid, and those who support India in their anti-Muslim policies are not actually Muslims. In the case of a war, they should also bear the consequences and burden of their die hard patriotism.
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Indian Muslims in India are like trash that kicked around the street. They mould into whatever is expected of them and are constantly in the need of "proving" their patriotism. One only has to notice the number of Hindu-Muslim marriages, which are done just to gain more acceptance in mainstream society.
BTW, Hindu-Muslim marriages are invalid, and those who support India in their anti-Muslim policies are not actually Muslims. In the case of a war, they should also bear the consequences and burden of their die hard patriotism.
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true those who have hindu muslim marriages are committing zina and their children are born out of wedlock..another name for....u all know the term
Dear Paroupakistani, in Indian armed forces the % of Muslims is much higher than you think. Off course it is not 13 or 15% as per the population ration, but it is not a criteria in armed forces not to take a Muslim.
Let some other one from Indian side waste time to find out some web sites to appease you, as I am sure that you will out reject any information.
Well I do not remember, but we have had Muslim Generals in army. Some (kufr) Muslims have received gallantry awards in wars against Pakistan.
(Do you have at least one Hindu soldier in your army?)
Further I can confirm you that Muslims in India do not carry a fake Hindu name in public life, as it very common for Hindus in Pakistan to avoid irritations.
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*Originally posted by anjjan: *
Dear Paroupakistani, in Indian armed forces the % of Muslims is much higher than you think. Off course it is not 13 or 15% as per the population ration, but it is not a criteria in armed forces not to take a Muslim.
Let some other one from Indian side waste time to find out some web sites to appease you, as I am sure that you will out reject any information.
Well I do not remember, but we have had Muslim Generals in army. Some (kufr) Muslims have received gallantry awards in wars against Pakistan.
(Do you have at least one Hindu soldier in your army?)
Further I can confirm you that Muslims in India do not carry a fake Hindu name in public life, as it very common for Hindus in Pakistan to avoid irritations.
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Good for you dude,
As some of my Muslim brothers mentioned, it doesn't make a difference for us if there are so called muslims in your army. They have sold their faith.
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As for us, we do not neeeed Hindus in our army. Yes they are our citizens, abd enjoy full rights, but we are an ideological Islamic state . Therefore do not compare us with your India. Oh I forgot, you have a Hindu Muslim dosti ka bukhaar.
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*Originally posted by anjjan: *
Dear Paroupakistani, in Indian armed forces the % of Muslims is much higher than you think. Off course it is not 13 or 15% as per the population ration, but it is not a criteria in armed forces not to take a Muslim.
Let some other one from Indian side waste time to find out some web sites to appease you, as I am sure that you will out reject any information.
Well I do not remember, but we have had Muslim Generals in army. Some (kufr) Muslims have received gallantry awards in wars against Pakistan.
(Do you have at least one Hindu soldier in your army?)
Further I can confirm you that Muslims in India do not carry a fake Hindu name in public life, as it very common for Hindus in Pakistan to avoid irritations.
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Bitter and Anjjan
I never said that Indian army has criteria to not take Muslims or that they shoo away muslims. I said that Indian muslims avoid Indian army, and no one can deny that. So guess i will keep waiting for the challenge prove.
As far as Pakistan is concerned, we already know that there are no hindus in Pakistan army. YOu will see alot of christians though. The percentage of HIndus in Pakistan is very less and that too is mostly in Interior Sindh. As far as the name business is concerned, i think they more more of Urdu names that seems to you like Muslims names. But lets not shift the discussion to Pakistan.
Bitter and Anjjan
I never said that Indian army has criteria to not take Muslims or that they shoo away muslims. I said that Indian muslims avoid Indian army, and no one can deny that. So guess i will keep waiting for the challenge prove.
As far as Pakistan is concerned, we already know that there are no hindus in Pakistan army. YOu will see alot of christians though. The percentage of HIndus in Pakistan is very less and that too is mostly in Interior Sindh. As far as the name business is concerned, i think they more more of Urdu names that seems to you like Muslims names. But lets not shift the discussion to Pakistan.
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is 'Indian Muslims avoid Indian Army' your conclusion from the fact that the percentage is less? Then that basis is my dear utterly wrong...you might not find muslims in the Indian bureacracy commensurate to their percentage - so they do not want to join the government as well? less representation is nothing to do with Indian Muslims not wanting to join army..their might be many reasons - less education,family businesses etc etc - le
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less representation is nothing to do with Indian Muslims not wanting to join army..their might be many reasons - less education,family businesses etc etc - le
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Dear Proudpakistani, my challenge is that % of Muslims in Indian army is much higher than 1 or 2%, and not that if Muslims in India avoid joining army. It is their problem. You are twisting your statement.
Frankly I cannot reply for the sake of reply as it is in your case.
I wonder who the Paan eating Bheya community of Karachi will support at a time of war. Don’t they still have relatives in Hindustan? Would they like to see them get bombed? Sad.
