i just want the views of punjabies because mianwali is in punjab and magority of its people are pashtuns ( though non-pashto speaking). i think the local statesmen sher afggan niazi has once demanded that mianwali can be included in N.W. F. P
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how about we hand you over to america? :)
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It was originally part of NWFP as was Attock, I have cousins in Attock (both Pashto speaking and non-Pashto speaking Pashtuns) and even the non-Pashto speaking Pashtuns there feel a greater affiliation with NWFP/Peshawar than with Punjab, they are officially a part of Punjab but the people don’t consider it as such and the uneducated don’t even know it’s a part of Punjab, they look like us and share the same values, they rarely mix with people from the rest of Punjab but they frequently marry with families from villages our side of the Abasin and Peshawar.
North of Balochistan is also Pashtun and so are parts of the Northern Areas bordering us and so are Tribal Areas.
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the dream of a sirayki province is never gonna fly, neither is pakhtunistan. worse comes to it, we will just simply role over it,
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hoold up. someone wants to split pakistan into more provinces??
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Dude!
You forgot that helf of Afghanistan is under control of Tajiks and Azbaks. Go get ur land from them if u have some balls.
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^What exactly is the issue here?? He simply said that the Attock and Mainwali districts originally belong to NWFP and were changed during the gora saab era. Whats so wrong about joining it back to NWFP? and where exactly did he mention anything about separating from Pakistan?
Dont get ur knickers in a tangle and make a mountain out of a mole. I am from Attock as well and I simply feel Attock belongs to the NWFP, simply because it was originally a part of NWFP. We share common languages, customs, heritage and culture and can relate to the rest of NWFP. Now why should this land be a part of punjab just because it was made one by the Brits? Why should the representatives be sitting in the Punjab Assembly when it should be sitting in the NWFP assembly looking at the issues faced by the NWFP. Dont you dare question my loyalty and patriotism for my motherland Pakistan even for a second!
Its twisted **** like urself who create divides and differences between people and turn a simple question into a bloody argument about Punjab vs NWFP and NWFP vs the rest of Pakistan. Grow up morons.
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isn’t that what us pakistanis are best at doing?
handing over are muslims brothers to AMERICA, our master and sovereign.
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North of Balochistan is also Pashtun and so are parts of the Northern Areas bordering us and so are Tribal Areas.
oh i also miss the mention about attock , i think also a pashtun district of punjab,
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You forgot that helf of Afghanistan is under control of Tajiks and Azbaks. Go get ur land from them if u have some balls.
First of all i am not from afghanistan, but an afghan from N.W.F.P. i consider all pashtuns also to be ethnic afghans. In our District gazeteers we are mentioned as afghans. ( infact we all pashtuns have migrated from afghanisatn.
Secondly it is not surprising that uzbeks tajiks hazaras..are holding half of afghanistan.. pashtun do not represent 80% magority but they range from 40% to 55%.
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rora the unifiation process is a slow one, it took quite sme time for germany to reunite, and we are no different. Bas chay pakhtana pa taaleem banday poora tawajo warkaee no byaa gora bacha.
p.s. this message was for afghan prince, and yes I know i diverted from the thread.
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Dont get ur knickers in a tangle and make a mountain out of a mole. I am from Attock as well and I simply feel Attock belongs to the NWFP, simply because it was originally a part of NWFP. We share common languages, customs, heritage and culture and can relate to the rest of NWFP. Now why should this land be a part of punjab just because it was made one by the Brits? Why should the representatives be sitting in the Punjab Assembly when it should be sitting in the NWFP assembly looking at the issues faced by the NWFP. Dont you dare question my loyalty and patriotism for my motherland Pakistan even for a second!
Its twisted fuks like urself who create divides and differences between people and turn a simple question into a bloody argument about Punjab vs NWFP and NWFP vs the rest of Pakistan. Grow up morons.
Its twisted logic of Pakhtuns that needs to be changed. If attock is in Punjab why the hell are you bothered? On one hand some of pakhtoos are saying Punjab gets more than smaller provinces and on other hand you don't want to join a smaller province.
A pakhtoon can remain a pakhtoon whereever he is. No body is calling u punjabi, u can call urels pakhtoon,pushtun, tun or whatever.
Do u think we do not understand from where this talk of annexing regions of punjab and baloochistan comes from?
You are thankless bunch of people. Just go and visit Afghanistan, there are more graves of Punjabi shaheeds thab those of Pashtuns from NWFP, but what u give us in return? STealing electricity by afghani people in Karachi, selling drugs, kidnapping young children.
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Dont get ur knickers in a tangle and make a mountain out of a mole. I am from Attock as well and I simply feel Attock belongs to the NWFP, simply because it was originally a part of NWFP. We share common languages, customs, heritage and culture and can relate to the rest of NWFP. Now why should this land be a part of punjab just because it was made one by the Brits? Why should the representatives be sitting in the Punjab Assembly when it should be sitting in the NWFP assembly looking at the issues faced by the NWFP. Dont you dare question my loyalty and patriotism for my motherland Pakistan even for a second!
Its twisted fuks like urself who create divides and differences between people and turn a simple question into a bloody argument about Punjab vs NWFP and NWFP vs the rest of Pakistan. Grow up morons.
The present boundaries of the four provinces were actually drawn up on 1st July 1970 by the administration of Yahya Khan, a Qizilbash general from NWFP - not the Brits.
Though, the Brits did remove the Hindko-speaking Hazara from Punjab and add it to NWFP, which is a decision that needs to be reversed as well if we go for provincial boundary changes to accomodate Attock and Mianwali.
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Dont we have bigger issues to worry about in Pakistan than figuring out what once belonged to what province? Does it really make a difference if Attock was in Punjab or NWFP province. Of if Mianwali was in NWFP or Punjabi or Sindh? As long as its all Pakistan. Its because of such thinking that our nation stands divided. Think of the bigger picture not trivial crap like this.
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Trivial issues, as if it will help the people in minawali, Attock or Hazara. Drawing district boundaries will not help anyone other than the ego of few people. Its the will of the people which matters at the end, and sadly at this time people in NWFP or Punjab don’t have any say. Last I heard people will vote in favor of clean drinking water in Mianwali, so wait for another 30 to 40 years until they say anything about anything else.
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who decides what issue is trivial? we thought language was trivial and lost east Pak. if majority in these cities is in favor then it aughta be considered and resolved through voting.
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No, Pakhtuns can not ‘demand’ Mianwali from Punjab. Punjab must not demand Hazara from Pakhtuns. The people of Mianwali can demand that they be included in NWFP. The people of Hazara division or Abbotabad can make similar demands of inclusion or exclusion. Hindko speakers must not be confused with ethnic Pashtuns while talking about these grand-pure-race-unification-projects inspired by a scheming few outside Pakistan and supported by a marginalized few (albeit, at times, very vocal on Pakistani forums) inside Pakistan.
A word of caution! Selective reading of history can harm the cause of grand-pure-race-project. Taking at least one fifth of NWFP Hindko population (which incidentally is the most educated ethnic sub-group in NWFP) for granted may also eventually backfire. About Hazara:
"During British](Presidencies and provinces of British India - Wikipedia) rule, the region of Hazara had formed part of the Punjab province, until the western parts of that province were separated to form the new North-West Frontier Province. The areas around Abbotabad and Mansehra became the Hazara district of Peshawar division, whilst areas to the north of this became the Hazara Tribal Agency and the Kohistan Tribal Agency. Sandwiched between Hazara Tribal Agency and Hazara district were the small princely states](Princely state - Wikipedia) of Amb](Amb (princely state) - Wikipedia) and *Phulra](Phulra - Wikipedia). This system of administration continued until 1950, when the two small princely states were incorporated into the Hazara district.*
*From 1955 to 1970, the North-West Frontier Province became part of West Pakistan](West Pakistan - Wikipedia) under the One Unit](Editing One Unit - Wikipedia) policy, with Hazara district forming part of the Peshawar division of West Pakistan. On the dissolution of West Pakistan, the Hazara district and the two tribal agencies were merged to form the new Hazara division with it’s capital at Abbotabad. The division was initially composed of three districts (Abbottabad, Kohistan and Mansehra) but within a few years, Haripur district was spun off from Abbotabad district and Batagram district was spun off from Mansehra district." *
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazara_Division )
Ethnic Pashtuns and ‘Punjabi-Pashtuns’ are among the most loveable groups of people I have met in my life.
Sweet dreams!
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Good post bro, these day dreaming afghan lovers (themselves living in englistan) who want NWFP to merge with afghanistan (which is war torn right now and in shambles) dont care about the plight of the people.