If Men are allowed to marry 4 women, Why not women are allowed to marry 4 men?

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Kumar

My,My,My.

What can I say about your conclusion concerning this thread! Shall I call it Desparate, Typical or Jealousy?

Whether Islam gave rights to women or not is a perogative which you hold and have every right to hold. However, the reality of women's rights is something which you can never change in a million years. The 'proof is always in the pudding'. If one states that water is fire, it doesn't mean that water is really fire! It means that he is suffering from hallucinations and is only fooling himself and in reality he will never admit it but will always believe that water is fire!

The Qur'aan has beautifully summed up this type of Hallucinationalist:

002.017 Their similitude is that of a man who kindled a fire; when it lighted all around him, Allah took away their light and left them in utter darkness. So they could not see.

002.018 Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path).

017.072 But those who were blind in this world, will be blind in the hereafter, and most astray from the Path.

022.046 Do they not travel through the land, so that their hearts (and minds) may thus learn wisdom and their ears may thus learn to hear? Truly it is not their eyes that are blind, but their hearts which are in their breasts.

Sometimes it is better to keep quiet, than make a statement and make an utter fool of yourself.

Finally, did your Lord Krishna have the same rights as you do, and if so why? and if not, why?

Please answer instead of beating about the bush.

God damn, this is getting boring!

'If in doubt, pull out'.

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Originally posted by kumarakn:
*Achtung, my simple question is, why didn't it give similar (allegedly restricted) permissions for Women?
Is (isn't) it biased? *
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Your first question has been answered a million times on this thread alone. PakistaniAbroad has an interesting discussion in another thread discussing the meaning of the ** one, I repeat, ONE **, verse in the entire Qur'an which discusses polygamy. He seems to be coming to the conclusion that restrictions on polygamy are so severe, it is practiclly impossible to fulfil the requirements for a lawful polygamous marriage.

Your second question - perhaps you feel it is biased. Thats fair enough. The majority of Muslims, men and women, don't feel that way. I don't feel polygamy is an indicator of inequity because the wife has the option to say "no honey, you can't marry a second wife" - justice is always retained in the marriage. If one party feels that injustice is being done (whether through a polygamous relationship or otherwise) they have grounds for action, including divorce. All parties have a choice. In Islam one cannot force a marriage, whether it be with the first wife or fourth. Polygamy is an exception - not a rule.

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Originally posted by kumarakn:
** If it was correct based on "Historical reasons" as you say, don't you imply that...it is incorrect or irrelevant now?
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It is still historically relevant. In the Afghan-Soviet war, 20 per cent of Afghan women were widowed and 1 million children were orphaned or lost their 'bread winning' fathers (that's a lot of people, see Robert Cohen and Jennifer Parmalee, Afghanistan's Children the Rough Road to Peace, New York, 1990, page 1 and 14). Widowhood lead to a large case of destitute women in Afghanistan, who suffered from malnutrition, along with their children. Also documented are cases of loneliness and mental disease. In Afghanistan there is no social net to help these women and the Pushtun culture is not accepting of women working or educating women.

So here we have a modern example where polygamy served the same function it did 1400 years ago. Who will provide (or should provide) for 20% of Afghanistan's female population and 1 million helpless children? Islam provides one option, perhaps not ideal when evaluated by ** other cultural ** standards, but an option nevertheless. An option which was put in place in light of drastic cuts in funding to Afghanistan. If the Afghan example is not sufficient, perhaps another example will arise in the future, one we don't know about at this time.

This is my last post in this thread, you are wasting everyones time. We should all pray that people like kumarkn can see things with an open-mind. Narrow-mindedness is ignorance.

Achtung

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Originally posted by kumarakn:
**Akif:

You can call me whatever you want!

You are neither able to prove that Islam encourages monogamy, nor able to prove that women are treated equally in this respect.

When you can't argue, you attack the postor! Shows how the truth hurts you!

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kumarakn Bhai! Naraz kioon hotey ho? If you feel that is discriminatory then please do ask your wife to marry another man at the same time! Please go ahead!! This would heal some of the wounds of humanity, right?? Poor women!!

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Trust me u r going to hell!

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Four Husbands at one time, now that’s a scary thought!!! Thanks, but no thanks. One is enough!!!

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I can’t imagine way a man would want four wives ethier, not to mention there just wouldn’t be enough women for each man to have four.

Brenda McLennan

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Originally posted by kumarakn:
**Yesterday...did you guys watch 60 mins....

Muslims women from Saudi Arabia telling that they DO NOT Want Men to marry 4 women!

Islam losing its appeal eh?

Sholay: Do you mean to say that Science has outgrown Quranic Horizon (at least in THIS context)?

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Islam never says go and mary 4 womens for no reson... It says do it if needed mostly for woman's good. trust me if ur sister got widow (God forbid) in young age or something u will be looking a Muslim guy with a big heart to marry her.

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and one more thing to every one

No mater how hard u try. U can never prove God wrong. He is the creator he knows more than u and He created these rules for us and ur own good......

ASHHADU -AN LA ILAHA ILALLAH WA ASHHADU- ANNA MUHAMMADUN RASULLULLAH
Allah has challenged the humanity until the day of judgment to produce a Sura or an Aya like the Quran
And Allah assures that they will never be able to make an Aya like it
The kufar plan and work to destroy this Deen and Allah affirms that we too are planning
and if all the people of the world got together they still could not and will never be able to put even a scratch a side of a muster seeds on the THRONE of ALMIGHTY ALLAH (SWT)

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** Ramsys: **

The instant I practice polygamy, I will certainly tell my wife to become polygamous too. (that is not in this birth). Even If I choose not to give her permission, all I have to do is to become a Muslim! I can’t give her permission to become polygamous then.

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** Sholay: **

Why is it if I question some quranic verses and you are NOT able to explain it, you guys resort to bashing the questioner? thank ALLAH (the most merciful) I am not in Pakistan! Else you guys would have stoned me for blasphemy just for thinking logically!

** Arslan: **

Thanks for your prophecies! Oh! I am soooo scared! Trust me…your wife wants you to go to hell too. We will meet there. (I will bring chips and salsa!)

** bcsm: **

That is funny! Thanks for lightening up the thread. Most of the people here are unable to digest some truth! You joke will help em!

** Warrior ofallah!: **

Nobody is trying to prove god wrong.

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I am merely trying make you guys think better, so you would appreciate god from a more logical perspective and that gives equal status for women!

** To all: **

Is there any country where it is legal for men to practice polygamy? Obviously Afghanistan is! What about Pakistan, isn’t it founded on the name of Islam? Is there any other country, say Saudi, Iran or Iraq or even Israel? Please enlighten us!

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I think by giving man permission to mary 4 time if necessary is giving women exta rights. i think u better know too that a married women is better than unmarried… Islam gives permission to give women a second life by marrying her.. would a young man marry a women who is widow or has any other problem.. Now it is permited to a marryied man to marry another women to give her a new life.. which is i think a great thing. Islam is pure, and Muslims dont just marry for the fun of it and then get divorce.. but we do it because its the right thing..
right!

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Warrior of Allah!

Your whole argument assumes that a widow cannot live on her own. It shows the dependence of women on men - which was a sad reality of the past. Now that things are changing, women need not be dependent, why should a man support her?

Also even if the widow wants a companion, why can't a widower marry her?

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Moderater - why don't you close this thread - not only are two other similar threads open - but this guy just keeps posting the same nonsense over and over again, as if eventually it will become a fact.

Equity in the exceptional case of a polygamous marriage in Islam, is guaranteed by the fact that a woman can object to her husband taking a second wife. That is the answer - it as simple as that - the choice is the wifes as much as it is the husbands.

Achtung

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Achtung:

Go ask any nonmuslim (or anybody who isn't brainwashed to think not to challenge quran).
He will expose how stupid your defense is.

Well, I see you now seek mods help unable to defend your argument! Keep it up!

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Originally posted by kumarakn:
** Go ask any nonmuslim (or anybody who isn't brainwashed to think not to challenge quran). He will expose how stupid your defense is. **
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First of all, the Qur'an has been challenged by Muslims themselves, the Mutazilites are known for this. You are not challenging the Qur'an - I take it you haven't even read it.

Your arguement is that Islam is biased towards women for allowing men to marry 4 wives, while not allowing the same for women.

We have all provided you with the rationale behind the permittance of polygamy and the restrictions placed upon it. Equity between the genders is maintained through the engagement of all parties - wife and husband. Both must agree to a second marriage - if they don't its nullified. And even if they do, the restrictions placed upon the husband are so severe, it would be difficult for the husband to live within the bounds of Islam - in normal circumstances only a fool would choose polygamy. Indicative of this is the fact that so few polygamous marriages are present in Islam today.

The reason I've asked for the moderaters to close the thread is because its been beaten to death. Not even a sledgehammer would get through to you - you're narrowmindedness speaks volumes.

Achtung

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Well Said Actung

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Glory of Islam Will Never Be Extinguished

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[quote]
Originally posted by kumarakn:
**Warrior of Allah!

Your whole argument assumes that a widow cannot live on her own. It shows the dependence of women on men - which was a sad reality of the past. Now that things are changing, women need not be dependent, why should a man support her?

Also even if the widow wants a companion, why can't a widower marry her?**
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as i said before study first.
it is a fact that a womans sexual desire elevates to 10 times the mans after she has had sex.the muslim warriors werte not supposed to leave their wives for more than 4 months.god!!!!!!!! u guys dont study at all do u?how pathetic

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yaar even ur god cud not control his wife so y keep on fighting with us

"Kutsa Aurava 'Thigh-born'] was made out of the two thighs of Indra. Just as Indra was, so was he, precisely as one would be who is made out of his own self. Indra made him his charioteer. He caught him with his wife, Saci the daughter of Puloman, and when he asked her, 'How could you do this?' she replied, 'I could not tell the two of you apart.'

Indra said, 'I will make him bald, and then you will be able to tell the two of us apart.' He made him bald, but Kutsa bound a turban around his head and went to her. This is the turban that charioteers wear. Indra caught him again [with his wife] and said to her, 'How could you do this?' She said, 'I still couldn't tell the difference, because he bound a turban around his head and then came to me.' 'I will smear dirt between his shoulders, and then you will be able to tell the difference between us.' He did smear dirt between his shoulders -- and so charioteers have dirt between their shoulders -- but Kutsa covered it up and went to her. Indra caught them again and said, 'How could you do this?' and again she said, 'I still could not tell the two of you apart, for he covered up his upper torso and came to me.' Then Indra bound Kutsa and said, 'Now you are a wrestler [Malla].' Kutsa said, 'Generous one, do not ruin us. Give us something that we can live on, for truly we were born from you.' Indra said, 'Shake the dirt off from between your shoulders.' Kutsa shook it off, and it became the Rajas and Rajiyas, a great people." -- Jaiminiya Brahmana 3:199-200.

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She might be able to take care of 20 children, but not 4 men. Women can’t bare the sh*t that their one and only husbands make them go thru, imagine 4. **
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I agree with you 100%. Four husbands complaining and nagging. If all four of them were anything like the one I do have, I had rather have 100 children to take care of!!!

Brenda McLennan

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I agree with you 100%. Four husbands complaining and nagging. If all four of them were anything like the one I do have, I had rather have 100 children to take care of!!!

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Beside there is serious flaw in polyandry. I will kill the other three out of jealousy.

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The whole concept of marriage is nonsense. Even more nonsense is the rule that a woman can not marry more than one man because she can not handle more than one. if it were the case, nearly all civilizations would not have the institution of 'prostitution'. And dont tell me that all prostitutes do not like what they do.

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Originally posted by FreeSoul:
**The whole concept of marriage is nonsense. Even more nonsense is the rule that a woman can not marry more than one man because she can not handle more than one. if it were the case, nearly all civilizations would not have the institution of 'prostitution'. And dont tell me that all prostitutes do not like what they do.

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Marriage is not just sex but a lot more and what has prostitution got to do with marriage. Women adopt this profession for several reason not for sex.

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