Re: If Islam is a source of knowledge…
thanks, Homer, that you had been watching my posts much earlier than you joined GS.
Re: If Islam is a source of knowledge....
I was hopeful that someone would enlighten us of sources of knoledge in Islam....but for certain reasons in their rulings the questioner is always guilty.
(Off course I never ask why Islam is not a source of freedom.)
Re: If Islam is a source of knowledge....
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First thing first. Why do u guys use arabic letters everywhere. U go to Hyderbad in India , u find u reached somewhere outside India.. everything is written in Arabic, while the official language in the state is Telugu.
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Err dude, that’s Urdu or Telugu it’s not Arabic however the script used is similar to Arabic which is common to most Muslim languages, Kurdish, Persian, Turkish, Pashto, Balochi, even Pakistani Punjabi and Pakistani Sindhi are wrote using variations of that script.
I agree with one thing though Urdu is not representative of Islam or Muslims and for everyday use Urdu should be limited to Urdu people from the Urdu belt in India or Karachi in Pakistan, the rest of us Desi Muslims should stick to our own languages with our own people during conversation, Arabic during 'formal' worship and official/national/constitutional languages such as English, Hindi (in India), Urdu (in Pakistan) in official matters.
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Then comes the parda business, the tabu of senting women to schools, hqaving multiple wife. Having a crude method of divorce.
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Now you’re mixing religion with culture and local customs, Hijaab does not prevent women from studying. As for us having multiple wives it’s much better than Krishna having affairs with Raadha (somebody else’s wife) and being a pervert watching girls bathing nude.
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I mean what is that preventing muslims to get rid of such Backwerd cultures.
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Why don’t you worry about your own backward culture first? It’s you backward people and religion which drive us South Asian Muslims into wishing we were rather Arabs or Persians, we love our culture and are not ashamed of it but when you lot constantly keep assuming your pagan religion is synonmous to Desi culture and we Muslims are being less Desi because we're not pagans is what drives us into hating our own language and culture because we have to share it with you narrow minded..., yes we were once Hindus, everyone was a non-Muslim at one point in history but now we're Muslim and PROUD, Islam and it's language Arabic are universal and for us our religious idenitity has more importance than our cultural or ethnic idenitity.
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Dont give me the excuse that Quaran was written in Arabic. If u believe in God u should know that the religion should not be based on one single language.
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I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again Arabic is a universal language. If your language is so great why are you speaking English? Why is Hindi the language of the Indian constitution and not your language? Why are Hindu scriptures in Sanskrit why not Punjabi? The same way Paki Muslim have left Punjabi for Urdu the Hindu Punjabis have left Punjabi for Hindi.
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dear ranjhan.. u r very nice. At least i believe so. Do u know what u r doing to ur religion by making such statments. U r basicaly degrading it. I didnt say anything against Islam, did I. We worship nature.. is that a problem to u. Can u not let others live and practice their religion if its not disturbing you.
Let me believe in idols. If there is only Islam let me go to hell as muslims are taught. What is ur problem in that. Has anybody come back from death and told u that they are in hell or in heaven. People like u are ignorent and mislead to the core.
I am not replying to any of the other bs u had said. But one more.. since it was about language. I dont care whether its hindi, sanskrit or tamil. I want the local language to be used. It took long years and great minds to come out with a language and then for a religion( whatever it is, hinduism, Islam or Christianity) which was created much after the language was born to dictate the language. I mean this is loss of culture, a loss of civilization.
Thats my point of view.
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dear ranjhan.. u r very nice. At least i believe so. Do u know what u r doing to ur religion by making such statments. U r basicaly degrading it. I didnt say anything against Islam, did I. We worship nature.. is that a problem to u. Can u not let others live and practice their religion if its not disturbing you.
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You branding our use of Arabic in worship, our polygamous marriages, our divorce laws, the veil our women wear and basically pretty much anything related to Islam as BACKWARD is just as bad as me bashing Hinduism, same difference. I’ve thought over what I said and admit I was in the wrong.
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But one more.. since it was about language. I dont care whether its hindi, sanskrit or tamil. I want the local language to be used. It took long years and great minds to come out with a language and then for a religion( whatever it is, hinduism, Islam or Christianity) which was created much after the language was born to dictate the language. I mean this is loss of culture, a loss of civilization.
Thats my point of view.
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Language and culture are forever changing, this obsession with heritage is not very healthy.
Obviously to you culture is more important and for us Muslims our religion, thing is Islam is not limited to just spirituality, we can’t just push it away into the House of Worship and forget about it till next weekend, it impacts our culture in many ways e.g. our morals and values, greeting style, distinct facial hair, the way in which we dress….
There are some things though such as our language & script, costume, cuisine, architecture which Islam has no problem with.
Most Muslims do speak their own native languages, I've never seen anyone from my village ever have a conversation in Arabic because most can’t speak beyond very basic Arabic but we do use it during worship.
As far as Urdu is concerned, pretty much everyone is fluent in it but nobody speaks it, as men who speak Urdu in our society are considered effeminate.
It’s the same with North Indian Muslims, they all speak their own respective languages, it’s probably different with South Indians though (who I don’t consider ‘Desi’ as such), we know some Christian families from Chennai and Kerala and all are very westernised and Jesus PBUH wasn’t even a Westerner, they all have Anglo/Spanish names, all speak English most of the time, wear western clothes, eat western foods…
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Culture-bound, many tend to follow their culture first, thus the friction between culture and Islam.
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Unfortunately all these wars and separation would have avoided if you just go and convert God instead of whole nine yards.
Nobody care what you pray at your personal time.
Language+ Culture+ Tradition + Heritage+ Ethnicity +Way of life .., etc + GOD (Allah) =Muslims.
For rest of the world
Language+ Culture+ Tradition + Heritage+ Ethnicity +Way of life is local products
God (Jesses) = Christian
God (Vishnu) = Hindu
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Once again you prove the point i was making , you see what you want to see. Where do you get in my post that what is enough to get you off from where? Look dude if this discussion is for the sake of killing time then go your merry way, its just entirely pointless. Not for me and you to decide what is enough and what is not. The argument is very silly. Why does it matter to you so much what muslims are considered to be? There are always going to be people in the world who dislike you and your faith, get over it already.