If Islam is a source of knowledge....

[system]

Re: If Islam is a source of knowledge....

Probably one of the biggest strains on Muslim intellectual thought process and critical reasoning is the advent of Wahabi version of Islam.

Extreme obscurantist views propagated by the petrodollars, aided and abetted by Uncle Sam/west in the war against communism and their desire to secure supplies of sweet oil, it has contributed to the general decay in how Muslims of modern day can and should behave. When critical reasoning is restricted by edict of obscurantic scholars who are influenced more by their tribal customs and natural need to protect traditions, then societies are not permitted to think or act freely.

Whenever socieities have become subservient to extreme religious practices, they have suffered. We have the Taliban and Al-Qaeda experience in front of us, history is full of such examples in all religions.

[Verizon]

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@anjjan

Islam is a source of knowledge…..why Muslim communities are considered backwards in all aspects of life?

Can you please point me to the chapter of Quantum mechanics and Scram Jet technology I cant seem to find it in the index or the chapters. Must be a subheading.
Since it is the soucre of all knowledge, does it mention with dates Ptolemy and others.

[Ranjhan]

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@vineshvk

Islam is intolerent to different cultures. Islam has the culture of the arabs. And they do not want to modify it to the place where they live. U r South-asian and still follow Arab culture. And this leads to conflict.

Mujhe Desi honay pe garv hai.

Arabs are our brothers and despite some misunderstandings and odd occasions where we fall out I respect them but no Desi Muslim wants to be an Arab, we’re Muslim not Arab, Arabs don’t have monopoly over Islam, in Islam everyone is equal regardless of race, language and tribe, unlike in Hinduism we are not made slaves or masters based on what family we’re born into over (which we have no control), in our religion it’s our own conscious actions and beliefs which determine our status.

When Islam came it had a lot against parts of Arab culture as well and abolished a lot of the things which were in conflict with it, it abolished pagan ‘deities’, pagan festivals, anything even remotely related to Arab paganism, that was one of the reasons it met a lot of opposition from the polytheistic Arabs because they were intoxicated with the same heritage bull**** a lot of our people are.

How can you say I follow Arab culture? I’ve never eaten Arab food, worn Arab dress, had a conversation in Arabic or bought an Arabic music CD. I wear kurta pajama/dhoti, eat rass-malai, drink lassi, talk in Hindko & Hindi/Urdu, listen to north-Indian/eastern-Pakistani music…

The only thing I practice similar to Arab culture is the Arabic language in worship which is the lingua franca of Islam, I strongly believe Arabs do not have monopoly over this language just because they were born to it, this language belongs to every single Muslim not just the Arabs. If you and me can learn English for worldly reasons because it is the lingua franca of the world and we have nor probs using it more often than we do our mother tongues then what’s wrong with learning Arabic for the sake of worshipping literally the way my God and Prophet have taught me? Not that God doesn’t understand other languages, I mostly pray in Hindko, the sermons at my Mosque are at least partially Urdu/Hindi/Bengali, but ritual contact prayers, recitation, meditating on God’s name etc. are done in Arabic, our Arabic.

[anjjan]

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Is it true that Arabs do not like India, Pak Muslims? Why Arabs degrade our Muslims?

[Ranjhan]

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Those who are into their Deen do not, just secularist and xtian type morons who give the rest of them a bad name and I think us Pakis are over sensitive and just love to generalise to get our frustrations out (including me).

Not all of them are racist, we have two Arabs married into the family and none of them or their families have any problems with us, my closest cousin is married to a Syrian woman, people say they’re usually really but she is so down to earth it’s unbelievable.

Some degree of discrimination against their servants is natural with any race and Arabs are not acting on their religion when they’re doing that, I think they’d be like that even towards the labourers belonging to their own race, only with us it’s always “is it coz I’m black err Desi?” people do it in England too, there’s lots of openly racist BNP people here does that mean I should generalise all white people? Or judge all whites based on what African Whites did? They would beat their servants for praying in a white church. Doesn’t mean to say all white people are inherently racist.

[HAMMAD]

Re: If Islam is a source of knowledge…

@anjjan

Islam is a source of knowledge…..why Muslim communities are considered backwards in all aspects of life?

cuz they r not following there own knowledge

[rvikz]

Re: If Islam is a source of knowledge....

would muslim sceintist do reasearch that somwhow contradicts his religen like finding
origin of humans or just accpet wahtever relgious book tells .

[Lajawab]

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@vineshvk

laja.. i dont know what did u mean.. but let me explain.. I have nothing against Islam. Only when u try to get Islam to be practiced like the arabs do then i have a problem. I have many muslim friends dear.. and i dont look at them as Muslims.. they are brothers to me.

First, you have to define what Arabic culture is…According to your own opinion…

[anjjan]

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Ranjhan
My point is absolutely different. Two or three examples of good Arabs do not change the overall relations.

Do Arabs dislike south asian Muslims on religious grounds? What reasons Arabs have for degrading our Muslims?

[khawateen]

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anjjan: what ure trying to get at is "why do arabs hate south asians?".. its got nothing to do with them being muslims or not... and the reason is cuz they think of them as inferior to themselves... if u visit saudi arabia, most south asians will be found doing menial jobs.. now that doesnt mean they should be respected any less.. but that's the case where arabs are concerned.. ofcourse not all arabs are like that ... but that is the general idea.

south asians on the other hand hate the arabs just as much! ... they think of them as inferior to themselves aswell... again... not all desis are like that...
so that's that .. got nothign to do with religion.

[vineshvk]

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First thing first. Why do u guys use arabic letters everywhere. U go to Hyderbad in India , u find u reached somewhere outside India.. everything is written in Arabic, while the official language in the state is Telugu. Then comes the parda business, the tabu of senting women to schools, hqaving multiple wife. Having a crude method of divorce. I mean what is that preventing muslims to get rid of such Backwerd cultures. Dont give me the excuse that Quaran was written in Arabic. If u believe in God u should know that the religion should not be based on one single language.

[anjjan]

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@vineshvk

First thing first. Why do u guys use arabic letters everywhere. U go to Hyderbad in India , u find u reached somewhere outside India.. everything is written in Arabic, while the official language in the state is Telugu.

Good point. I can never understand how Urdu became language of Indian Muslims and why it should only be written in Arabic script. Script and language are entirely two different things.

@khawateen

anjjan: what ure trying to get at is “why do arabs hate south asians?”..
got nothign to do with religion.

I think there is something more. Arabs find fault with Indian & Pak Muslims that they failed to convert all India to Islam.
And they have mixed up Islam with many native beleifs.

[khawateen]

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living in arabia.. ive never heard of any such thing ever ......

[system]

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@khawateen

living in arabia.. ive never heard of any such thing ever …

Khatoon…can u pleez be more specific, what kinda things u hv not heard?

[Muslim_Queen]

Re: If Islam is a source of knowledge…

@anjjan

Islam is a source of knowledge…..why Muslim communities are considered backwards in all aspects of life?

Thats simple. The person who holds such views doesnt have a clear idea of what constitutes “backwards.”

[homer_j_simpson]

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@vineshvk

First thing first. Why do u guys use arabic letters everywhere. U go to Hyderbad in India , u find u reached somewhere outside India.. everything is written in Arabic, while the official language in the state is Telugu. Then comes the parda business, the tabu of senting women to schools, hqaving multiple wife. Having a crude method of divorce. I mean what is that preventing muslims to get rid of such Backwerd cultures. Dont give me the excuse that Quaran was written in Arabic. If u believe in God u should know that the religion should not be based on one single language.

man u shud really check out history of urdu language…a very weak comment u have made…urdu was developed in shahjahan’s time and is more geared towards persian rather than arabic..it even has some turkish in it…most of all urdu has nothing to do with islam or arabic…it is a language and has nothing to do with any religion…only the script used is arabic…same as the script used in hindi is taken from sanskrit…now if u are basing ur facts on a simple script it is very lame…would people borrowing stuff from sanskrit believe in customs such as sati, or caste system?.. moreover arabic is not spoken by many muslim countries…who says the religion is based on one language…Quran is in english, hindi, chinese, indonesian and in many other languages…

[masterofall240]

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@rvikz

would muslim sceintist do reasearch that somwhow contradicts his religen like finding
origin of humans or just accpet wahtever relgious book tells .

Yes.

[masterofall240]

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Urdu is written in Farsi script, different from Arabic script. and why brings Arabs into this? Those morons can't even defeat little tiny Israel.

[anjjan]

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@homer_j_simpson

…who says the religion is based on one language…Quran is in english, hindi, chinese, indonesian and in many other languages…

Its ok, you know that Indian Muslims are ready to kill or die for the sake of Urdu language. Mullahs deliver sermons to Muslims on Urdu language, usually incite them for its degradation.

[masterofall240]

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^ Urdu is being degraded? How so?