You can’t compare the gujarat riots to the lal masjid situation because the riots had to the do with communal problems in Gujarat. No i’m not denying that the Indian Hindus that did that to the Indian Muslims were fanatics. A better example would be what happened in 1989-90 and still is happening in Kashmir when Pakistani militants came across the border to kill and torture close to a thousand innocent kashmiri pandits and the Indian army had to come in and still has to deal with the Pakistani militant terrorists http://www.kashmiri-pandit.org/sundry/images/vic1.jpg. Pak Militant terrorist problems have caused the deaths of thousands of innocent hindus, muslims and Indian soldiers in kashmir as well as deaths in other parts of India. ](http://www.kashmiri-pandit.org/sundry/images/vic1.jpg)
Seems like you are having comprehension problems or you are like going in circles.
Here it is one more time hope it will sink...
If a fanatic hindu govt. can kill so many innocent muslims and get away with it do you think it will make any difference if the same hindu fanatics would kill muslim fanatics? ... makes sense or still difficult.
Abdali please stick to the topic in hand. I want to know what your reaction would be if Indian govt did the same action against the fanatics holed up in a mosque.
And please do not compare riots with a military operation.
Muslim against a Muslim is a 'family problem/issue'. Muslims versus disbelievers is not the same. That leads to Harbun Muqadasa.
Disbelievers??? what do you mean by that. Most of the Indians believe in the god, its not just the god you would like them to believe in.
whats the difference.
Lets say the same terrorists/students holed up in a mosque in India and Indian army had done the same operation.
I wonder what you guys and pakistan's in general opinion would have been if Indian army killed hundreds of terrorists in the same fashion.
would it be the same as now or it would be different.?
serious and honest replies are appreciated.
Flammers go to the thread above this one.
A good question.
I am not looking for any appreciatiation, but seriously and honestly Pakistan's general opinion would be that the Indian government is doing atrocities against the innocent muslims.
Abdali please stick to the topic in hand. I want to know what your reaction would be if Indian govt did the same action against the fanatics holed up in a mosque.
And please do not compare riots with a military operation.
Does IOK qualify as Indian terrorist in uniform against civilians? how about HRW reports? Do they count?.... Or has this to be exactly the same setup as Lal Masjid?
Muslim against a Muslim is a 'family problem/issue'. Muslims versus disbelievers is not the same. That leads to Harbun Muqadasa.
Did you mean disbelievers in terrorism. Yes I am that.
I believe that God does not love any person just because of their religion, but because of their action, and He does not hate.
Does IOK qualify as Indian terrorist in uniform against civilians? how about HRW reports? Do they count?.... Or has this to be exactly the same setup as Lal Masjid?
Jammu and Kashmir belongs to India and the governments action in Kashmir is qualified as protecting the Nation against the cross border terrorism.
Indian Government spends resources for the development in Kashmir, I wonder what resources does Pakistan government allocate for POK - building material for Terrorist Camps?
Does IOK qualify as Indian terrorist in uniform against civilians? how about HRW reports? Do they count?.... Or has this to be exactly the same setup as Lal Masjid?
No they dont count. iT HAS to be same setup as lal masjid. now it makes any sense to you?
Seems like you are having comprehension problems or you are like going in circles.
Here it is one more time hope it will sink...
** If a fanatic hindu govt. can kill so many innocent muslims and get away with it do you think it will make any difference if the same hindu fanatics would kill muslim fanatics?** ... makes sense or still difficult.
What the F does that have to do with the topic? That has absolutely no relevance to what was being discussed on here. The question was that if a similar operation happened in India, what would be the reaction in Pakistan? When Gujrat riots happened, Pakistanis condemned it, and rightly so, because there were tonnes of innocent deaths there. But if a Lal MAsjid thing happens in India, most of Pakistanis would still condemn it saying that the indian suppressors are killing innocent religious muslims. Yes, the Indian government would 'GET AWAY' with it (bcoz it would be the right thing to do, unlike gujrat) but THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW PAKISTANIS WOULD REACT !!
Everyone else on here, lets not get into the Kashmir or Gujrat debates, because we all know they can go on forever. Everyone just starts throwing in other tragic events just for the sake of debating.
Exactly, hopefully now after the lal masjid situation was experienced by Pakistan, the Pakistani army and government will also take the effort to get rid of and cleanse Pakistan of these Militant terrorists on their side of the border. Now that Pakistan has joined India in fighting terrorism both India and Pakistan can work towards a safer south asia to live in.
What the F does that have to do with the topic? That has absolutely no relevance to what was being discussed on here. The question was that if a similar operation happened in India, what would be the reaction in Pakistan? When Gujrat riots happened, Pakistanis condemned it, and rightly so, because there were tonnes of innocent deaths there. But if a Lal MAsjid thing happens in India, most of Pakistanis would still condemn it saying that the indian suppressors are killing innocent religious muslims. Yes, the Indian government would 'GET AWAY' with it (bcoz it would be the right thing to do, unlike gujrat) but THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW PAKISTANIS WOULD REACT !!
Everyone else on here, lets not get into the Kashmir or Gujrat debates, because we all know they can go on forever. Everyone just starts throwing in other tragic events just for the sake of debating.
How is that not revelent, if you are having problems with understanding the point perhaps a neighbor could help or else try hard it might penetrate your skull... Here its goes again and you have answered your own question, in the end Indian govt will get away with it just like it got away with killing 1000s of ** INNOCENT ** muslims.. So that was my point do you think it will make any difference if they killed a fanatic?
And BTW given Indian govts. track record they can never be trusted coz there isn't a single incident in India that is not linked to Pak be it fake killings staged killings or terrorism, now it has become a simpe case of crying wolf. Last time when Manmohan Singh went screaming to G8 he ended up with a slap on his face, G8s take was stop crying wolf, that news report was posted right in this forum, available on request. You think Pak reaction should be different from G8?
why do you keep saying that the Indian government was responsible for the killings in Gujarat? Do you not understand the words "communal riots"?
Please present us with the legitimate source in which you read that the Indian government was responsible.
How is that not revelent, if you are having problems with understanding the point perhaps a neighbor could help or else try hard it might penetrate your skull... Here its goes again and you have answered your own question, in the end Indian govt will get away with it just like it got away with killing 1000s of ** INNOCENT ** muslims.. So that was my point do you think it will make any difference if they killed a fanatic?
And BTW given Indian govts. track record they can never be trusted coz there isn't a single incident in India that is not linked to Pak be it fake killings staged killings or terrorism, now it has become a simpe case of crying wolf. Last time when Manmohan Singh went screaming to G8 he ended up with a slap on his face, G8s take was stop crying wolf, that news report was posted right in this forum, available on request. You think Pak reaction should be different from G8?
wow, i wonder how many times you are going to repeat your irrelevant points .. i'll try one more time.. DUDE.. i understand.. that yeah the indian governmnt will get away with invading a jihadi mosque.. (they should, its the right thing to do).. bcoz yea they can get away with sponsoring killings of innocent muslims (as you claim).. so they can get away with killing retarded jihadists... OKay.. Got it.. but.. that is NOTHING to do .. with how the Pakistani reaction would be? and THATS what we are trying to discuss here.. NOT if indian gov. will get away with it or not... Do you understand that? Regardless of the consequences for the indian govt. for invading a jihadi mosque, most Pakistanis will still claim that indians killed innocent peaceful muslims.. and it will be used by jihadists in Pakistan to spread extremist propoganda..
Again, please lets not sway away from the topic and discuss Kashmir.. ther are hundrds of reports about Indian Atrocities.. and hundreds of reports about pakistani-backed militancy.. and about how IOK has developed 10 times faster than POK.. and about indian army jawans raping muslim girls.. and about kashmiri muslim guys surrending and revealing stuff about terrorist cells in POK.. there is no end to that ! As someone said before, both sides have been at fault on multiple occasions.. stop crying about it and pointing fingers each other..
wow, i wonder how many times you are going to repeat your irrelevant points .. i'll try one more time.. DUDE.. i understand.. that yeah the indian governmnt will get away with invading a jihadi mosque.. (they should, its the right thing to do).. bcoz yea they can get away with sponsoring killings of innocent muslims (as you claim).. so they can get away with killing retarded jihadists... OKay.. Got it.. but.. that is NOTHING to do .. with how the Pakistani reaction would be? and THATS what we are trying to discuss here.. NOT if indian gov. will get away with it or not... Do you understand that? Regardless of the consequences for the indian govt. for invading a jihadi mosque, most Pakistanis will still claim that indians killed innocent peaceful muslims.. and it will be used by jihadists in Pakistan to spread extremist propoganda..
Yeah and what Pak reaction would be is also mentioned in the last para, do you think Indian govt. can be trusted given its track record of crying wolf and implicating Pak in every Tom Dick and Harry incident be it fake killkings or terrorism... Should bad Paki reaction be any different from G8 where Manmohan went screaming ISI ISI?
^^ I think you should look at reports from all kinds of media (indian, pakistani, world) before assuming its a false claim just because its coming from India. There have been enough attacks where Pakistani-based (government funded, ISI funded or independent jihadists) were involved in attacks in India... just like they were involved in attacks in Pakistan... and there have been cases where the indian officials have blindly blamed the same ol pakistani based groups because there investigation went nowhere and they were pressured to produce results.. I'm just saying dont blindly discredit claims from India just because they are coming from India.. Anyway.. by now I've realized you are one of those highly biased anti India anti USA anti kufr guys who will continuously refer to 1-2 incidents to back your biased beliefs.. I'm going to stop wasting my time.. Stick to the topic :)
^^ I think you should look at reports from all kinds of media (indian, pakistani, world) before assuming its a false claim just because its coming from India. There have been enough attacks where Pakistani-based (government funded, ISI funded or independent jihadists) were involved in attacks in India... just like they were involved in attacks in Pakistan... and there have been cases where the indian officials have blindly blamed the same ol pakistani based groups because there investigation went nowhere and they were pressured to produce results.. I'm just saying dont blindly discredit claims from India just because they are coming from India.. Anyway.. by now I've realized you are one of those highly biased anti India anti USA anti kufr guys who will continuously refer to 1-2 incidents to back your biased beliefs.. I'm going to stop wasting my time.. Stick to the topic :)
Oh yes don't blindly discredit claims made by India..LOL that is the funniest thing I've heard so far today... As if India has provided proof of every incident to Pak or G8 like it said it will.. India has cried wolf far too often and the damage is done..
instead of making this a back and forth about what happened in Pakistan vs what happened in India how about we simply focus on the question posed in the thread i.e. what would Pakistanies feel if the Indian Army did the same thing Pak Army did. any posts that are along the lines of "oh yeah! well you did this this this.. " have been removed atleast twice.
