If Hitler converted to Islam before his death, would his sins have been forgiven?

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Chirtienity talk about same thing. If you convert to CHristianity you will go to heaven and all your sins are forgiven till you die no matter what you do even after you been converted as it is a God grace givento them and onc eit is givne it is not taken away. Also they say i fyou harm any one or sin, then you shoul dforgive him/her bu tdont' forget but there is a concequences. How stupid it sound. If you forgive, which not that many people they do even they say they do, then why that person have to pay consequesnces if it is forgiven?
Same here if anyone say if you converted to Islam, your sin is forgiven and I don't think so, as i have seen in my life those are doing righ tthing in life and honest and help others always suffer in their life and most of hte time their death is not good either. Same those are crinminal they dont' go to jail most of the time and don't suffer and have good death, what it is? Is this forgiveness? I dont' think so and if anyonehave to say God is testing his people, testing why? WHenhe knows in and out of person why to test and ehat kind of testing is this that it hurt person badly and dont' have a good life atall here, I dont' care after. And if he have to test his people, then why he have to send them to earth to suffer and ho whe can be happy seeign hi schildren suffering here but thsoe are crinminal having good life. If you have any children,will you test your children and let them suffer? Or you will help them when ever you can, as you know ho wis your children and what they like and what they don't as it is unconditional love and if God loves us unconditionally there won't be any testing here.

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NO.

The ONLY sins that are forgiven are those for being a "nonbeliever".

You are still accountable for the injustices you have perpetrated against other human beings.

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Christianity talk about same thing. If you convert to Christianity you will go to heaven and all your sins are forgiven till you die no matter what you do even after you been converted as it is a God grace given to them and once it is given it is not taken away. Also they say if you harm any one or sin, then you should forgive him/her but don’t' forget but there is a consequences. How stupid it sounds. If you forgive, which not that many people they do even they say they do, then why that person have to pay consequences if it is forgiven?
Same here if anyone say if you converted to Islam, your sin is forgiven and I don't think so, as I have seen in my life those are doing right tithing in life and honest and help others always suffer in their life and most of the time their death is not good either. Same those are criminal they don’t' go to jail most of the time and don't suffer and have good death, what it is? Is this forgiveness? I don’t' think so and if anyone have to say God is testing his people, testing why? When he knows in and out of person why to test and what kind of testing is this that it hurt person badly and don’t' have a good life at all here, I don’t' care after. And if he have to test his people, then why he have to send them to earth to suffer and how he can be happy seeing his children suffering here but those are criminal having good life. If you have any children, will you test your children and let them suffer? Or you will help them when ever you can, as you know how is your children and what they like and what they don't as it is unconditional love and if God loves us unconditionally there won't be any testing here.
And my understanding most of the time people they convert themselves with bad intention thinking I can marry more than once and can marry upto four times. And those convert them, think religion is a business and looking for # to grow in that religion to use in politics for voting purposes or rule that land. How many Muslims or Hindu or Christiens are really they are what they say? Very few. Most of them have some motives and the way you can find out is the way they live and how they treat their wives. I have rarly seen men in immigrant countries they treat women right, not saying USA citizen they do but in rare cases.
And if Hitler killing 30 million people, God have to forgive him then there is no justice here, that means any one can go kill anyone and go convert in Christianity or Islam and he is a new child of God, no way hose! God is Love, God is justice, God is light. And if there is no justice then, there is no God. It is a simple statement. No need to go to Koran or Bible.

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heil hitler

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The 40 million would get their due...It wouldn't be unjust at all...

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Adolph Hitler was a Christian, and moments before he committed suicide He had a priest perform the Wedding cermony for him and his long time Mistress Eva Braun.
**So He must have had some remorse.......... **

and in the Christian Doctrine all those who believe in Jesus are saved!

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^^ We know he was Christian.

I just wanted to get something clarified about people converting to Islam and getting their sins wiped out.

I am saying if people like Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Gengis Khan, Ariel Sharon convert to Islam before their deaths, do they get their sins forgiven?

Hilter killed 40 million people and if he converts to Islam on April 29th, 1945, one day before his death, does that mean he is no longer punishable for the death and misery of 40 million people he killed and the countless millions effected by the war ?

I just want to have a clear answer in this regard.

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Any person who embraces Islam is absolved of all sins committed before it.

!!!GS KI LARKIYO .................
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Thanks for reply kindly reply for post # 52 as well.

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how u know??? any proof???

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M2K - All those acts that had bearing on others still need to be reconciled either through civil or Shariah punishment or will be punished on the day of Judgement. E.g. If a thief stole from several ppl, he/she still has to face punishement and own up to the deeds.
Similarly, if some fornicated and had illegitimate children. He/she still needs to own up and support the children. Their act of fornication would be forgiven so they would not be facing stoning (Rajam) but can't run away from the obligation of supporting the children.
Same is the case of a mass murdered or Military Sovereign - If they killed many ppl, they would have to face the survivors of those he/she killed or ordered to be killed. Unless they forgive him for his attrocities.

If someone else already answered this, sorry. I couldn't read everyone's response. Its an important question these days.

Many non-muslims are accusing muslims of attracting criminals because of Islams promise of forgiveness. In reality there is quite a bit of detail to this.

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Now that makes sense. Thanks. Any references?

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Your analysis pretty much runs counter to many here who have said that if you convert to Islam all your sins are gone....

Can you back these claims up....

Because from what I have grown up understanding about this aspect of Islam is that anyone who does the Hajj, or convert to Islam gets all their sins washed away.

I was just curious to whether this can apply to people like Hitler

I have gotten conflicting views, some say ya absolutely while you have said no.

So what is it?

so far no clear answer and this is a major concept of Islam

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You know all those people here claiming that all your sins are forgiven are speculating and giving tangential explanations. When we talk about reverting/convertintg to Islam it is not as simple as one says the Shahada and his sins are forgiven.

I actually agree with much of what Antumul has stated. Today people usually think saying Shahada is where you start out as a muslim. In reality the act of Shahada is not to be taken unless you are convined of the Islam doctrine and actually believe in it. It is not a ritual formality as it has become today. The emphasis today is more on the responsibility that comes after taking Shahada whereas it actually in my humble opinion has to do with understanding why you are taking the Shahada.

I would probably say it makes you eligible for forgiveness meaning you are no longer eternally damned for denying Allah SWT his right of Oneness and worship. Sins committed out of disbelief/ignorance are the ones that are forgiven.

As for Hitler converting, his act of disbelief would have been forgiven however all others cannot be said for. But again, the act of becoming a muslim must come from true understanding and the realization that you were on false belief or misguidance. There is no catch here that if you convert to Islam you will be sinless again. So you might even say things like he is sinless as face value however how much of it or with what intention you converted is between the person and Allah SWT. There is no fooling there.

I think if we study the case of Pharoah it would be closest to Hitler accepting Islam at the last moment.

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^ M2K and LB:
I will check with our Imam or another scholar.
I myself can understand the conflict. I saw it coming only after I posted my reply and then read some of the other posts.
The reason there is a conflict in the answers is due to the context being different.

In the meantime here is my explanation. The difference is between Communal Sins and those associated with self and Allah SWT's rights.
And secondly,
forgiveness in the dunya and forgiveness in akhirah.
In some cases a person is forgiven in the dunya as well as akhira. In other cases they will face punishement in the dunya but are forgiven in the hereafter due to their sincerity and serving punishement while alive.
Examples:
A woman was a prostitute before Islam. They are completely forgiven of their sin after converting to Islam. No Questions asked. However, they must continue to be the mother of those children (if any) that resulted from illegal relations. They can't say that they are not theirs as they are from prostitution before islam.

Similarly, a man had illegal sex with many women and had children from those acts. If he converts to islam his sin of fornication is forgiven, but what happens to those children he had with those women? If they want him to support those kids, he must. If they relieve him of the responsibility then he is saved.
He can't just say that it was part of his non-muslim past and he is not the father of those children.

A person taking money from others forcefully must return that to them after becoming muslim or serve the punishement meted out to him if he can't pay them back. Other muslims can help him pay that back, as it will be sadaqah for them to help another muslim.

Those who take loans on interest, must return those loans after becoming muslim or serve any other order of the courts if they can't.

If, per say, a person such as hitler were to exist in the same society where he is accused of killing countless ppl and he accepts islam. Then in such a society who would be there to pardon his sins?
If he is sincere, there is no doubt that Allah SWT will forgive him for his past acts.
But he would have to face the crimes in that society. He can only be relieved of the punishement in this dunya if the affected relatives forgive him. If they want him to be punished then he will have to face the punishement. However, he will InshAllah be forgiven by Allah in the after life.

When we quote the Prophet SAW of forgiving the Kuffar after they converted of killing muslims, we forget, that those who followed the Prohet SAW would followed him without rebellion. If they ever questioned something, it was on very rare occasions. So they did not rebel when kuffars past sins were forgiven 100%. Even **Wahshi *who killed the Prophet's (SAW) uncle **HAMZA *(RA) quite savagely, when converted to islam, the Prophet SAW forgave him however told him to stay away so that wahshi's (RA) appearance even as a muslim would not bring back memories of HAMZA RA to the Prophet SAW.
The Prophet SAW pardoned him and many others who were guilty of killing muslims before converting to islam.

So the forgiveness in this world should depend the on communal effect of their crimes, and in truth depends on their sincerety.

Wallhu Alam (Allah knows best).

Its hard to find sources for such a trivial matters.

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Pharaoh actually submitted to Allah SWT and became muslim before his death however it was not accepted of him. Here lies the truth of the matter. You have to do it out of sincere belief not when it becomes evident in a way that is undeniable. If a day before Hitler had not known what was coming or his downfall was not imminent then I would say his odds of forgiveness would be better. Why do I say that because then it would be out of belief and not some other coercing factor.

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Agree with you. Well cited examples.

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We do not know what Hitler would have done, and we don’t know whether Hitler’s actions would have fitted the requirements for a true repentance. Yes, we’re told that a true repentence renders past sins forgiven, but how is it decided whether a person truly repented. So, taking a specific person, and asking whether that person has been forgiven is pointless, because we’d never know how sincere the repentence was, and under what circumstances it was done (like you mentioned, a repentence done knowing death is near might not be accepted).

We can speak in generalities, and say one should always do dua, etc etc. But us making judgements on another person is ridiculous. This hitler incident never happened, and even if it did, we still can’t be sure of what God would think of Hitler.

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^^ I just used Hitler as an extreme example to fully understand this concept of Islam which was fuzzy to me.

We can replace Hitler, and put for instance Ariel Sharon, or Gengis Khan, or Stalin, etc....