Re: If gold and silk are haram on muslim men
MQ, I am not trashing Islam and I'm not the one contributing to bidah. I was asking (rather sarcastically I admit), where do you draw the line to what you think religion requires?
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M_Q hun, when something HAS to be done, its fard. You’re still confused about sunnah and fard. Everyone else can see this not sure why you cant.
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That is the most ridiculous thing I've heard. There is NO such ruling that if you wear a ring, it has to be the same weight as the Prophet...
People like that are committing shirk - its total Prophet worship.
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http://muttaqun.com/dictionary3.html
above is an Islamic dictionary with a good section distinguishing between actions…check out Fiqh..its explained in simple terms…
Just cos the Prophet does something doesnt mean i have to do it…he stated what was Fard from his actions and what is a recommended action and what is just an action…Wearing a ring was just the prophets action…he neither commanded it (Fard), recommended it (mandub)…he just did it…
so all you can gather from this is it is definitely a permissable(mubah) action…no where does he specify weight to the rings we wear…
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Here's what I got from www.islamtoday.com:
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Question:
Assalamo alaykum, Are men allowed to wear diamond rings? WasSalaam, Sadiyah.
Answered by: Sheikh Abd al-Rahmân al-Ajlân
Lecturer at Mecca Grand Mosque
What is unlawful for a man is for him to wear gold. He may only use gold and silver for necessities such as for a broken tooth, nose, or for the repair of weapons. Also permitted is the use of silver for a signet ring as sanctioned by the Sunnah.
Diamond and other precious gems are permitted without a problem.
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So what is it about gold that diamonds and other gems don't have? If its because gold is feminine, the argument falls through a hole, because diamonds and gems are feminine also.
I'm sorry, this is some real bogus stuff.
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Pride is an issue yes. But then if Pride is an issue, then women should be the first ones to be banned from wearing gold and gems and diamonds.
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Diamond is a stone. Stones usually have more qualities associated to them than just monetary. Ever seen guys wearing those rings with funny green and blue and red stones? Those rings aren't just randomly selected. Theres major reasoning behind the selection of each stone.
PCG why does this concern you anyway. You can wear gold and silk all you want. Are you afraid you won't be able to make your man (the one you still need to get) wear em?
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Please ignore my reply #27. I was wrong in what I had said.
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y do u take religion so so so lightly lol
just because if u cant find a reason for something, the ruling falls through a hole, tsk tsk tsk
and then ur so quick to label something as shirk lol
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Sheesh I of all people not know the difference between Sunnah and fard. How dare you. 
Alright sorry you got mixed up with the “has” bits. But I did honestly hear that from a reliable source. However I think when that person informed me one should try to follow the silver ring’s weight as of our Prophet (SAW)'s ring , the person was being a bit on the extreme side. I know that person, and that person tries to follow Sunnah and its code with everything. So Im assuming the person prefers that, but it is not fard nor an essential sunnah. But actions depend on intentions and that person had right intentions. So who am I to complain.
Hope that clears it up. I wasnt saying it, was just bringing up what somebody else had said.
Semi do you even know what bidah is. 
Well we know what religion requires, the option we have is either to follow it or to discard it.
Ok I will first dig some sources up, then comment on this. But I think it has to do with how men and women have to be different. Dress differently, etc . But I could be wrong. However, Im pretty sure theres a deeper reason as to why women can wear it and men cant.
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Yes I do. Do you? Creating something without precedence, innovation that has not been part of the religion. Kinda like saying a ring must be the same weight as that of the Prophet and other things that border on worship rather then sunnah. (Some consider following sunnah as if it is God’s word as bidah, but that’s another topic)
Apparently you don’t if you go back and forth between saying a “ring has to be same weight” to “I heard that from a reliable source” to “…but it is not very Islam related” 
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what does the quran say about lycra and breatheable synthic fibers… yea or nay? How about printed ties with checkered shirts? Brown shoes with black belts? I likethis concept of getting fashion advice from scripture. 
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Alright good to know.
Sunnah is the example of the Prophet (SAW). How the heck is it Prophet worship? And I’m not talking about the ring anymore.
God’s word IS what our Prophet (SAW) followed. How is THAT bidah?
I know for a fact that men can’t wear silk or gold, because we have a lot of information on that.
I shouldn’t have brought up the weight of the ring, but it is still interesting, that some people feel it should be taken into consideration.
Alright my initial post was not worded correctly, I should have added it was something I had heard from another person. Excuse me for confusing everyone. But Im not condoning bidah. The person I heard it from IS quite reliable, however I should have asked further when I was given that information. So my bad.
And such details wouldnt be found in the Quran, weight of ring etc. Thats what I meant its not fard. And it was just a detail somebody else added, the “better safe” policy I assume. I did add I would try to get to the bottom of it. Either theres something to it, or the person made a mistake. Or forgot to state it was their opinion. I should have asked further into it, didnt though.
As for silk and gold, thats a completely clear issue.
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As regards your question we’d like to cite for you the words of the eminent Muslim scholar, Sheik Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, in his well-known book, The Lawful and the Prohibited in Islam. He states:
"Beautification and elegance are not merely permitted but are required by Islam, and in general it repudiates any attempts to prohibit them. Almighty Allah says, “Say: Who has forbidden the adornment of Allah which He has brought forth for His servants, and the good things of His providing?” (Al-A`raf: 32)
Islam has, however, prohibited two kinds of adornment for men, while permitting them to women. These are, first, gold ornaments and, second, clothing made of pure silk. Ali reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) took some silk in his right hand and some gold in his left, declaring, "These two are haram for the males among my followers." (Reported by Ahmad, Abu Dawud, an-Nasa'i, Ibn Hayyan, and Ibn Majah, who reports the additional phrase, "but halal for the females.") Umar reported that he heard the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) say, “Do not wear silk, for those who wear it in this life shall not wear it in the Hereafter.” (Reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim) On another occasion, referring to a silken garment, he said, "This is the dress of a man who has no character.‘’ (Reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim)
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) once saw a gold ring on a man’s hand. He immediately took it from him and threw it down saying, “Does a person pick up a piece of burning coal and hold it in his hand?” After the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) had left the place, someone asked the man, “Why do you not pick it up and benefit from it?” He replied, “No, by Allah! I shall not pick it up after the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) has thrown it away.” (Reported by Muslim)
The same prohibition which applies to the gold ring likewise applies to what we observe among conspicuous spenders, i.e., the gold pen, gold watch, gold cigarette case and lighter, gold teeth, etc.
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), however, permitted men to wear silver rings. On the authority of Ibn Umar, al-Bukhari reported the former saying, "The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) wore a silver ring. After him, Abu Bakr and then Umar and `Uthman wore it, until it fell off his finger into the well of Arees." (Reported by al-Bukhari) As for other metals such as iron, there are no sound texts prohibiting them. On the contrary, in the Sahih of al-Bukhari we find that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) advised a man who wanted to marry a woman to, “Present her with a gift, even if it be ring made of iron.” On the basis of this hadith al-Bukhari inferred the permissibility of iron rings.
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) made concessions in the wearing of silken garments for medical reasons, as he gave Abd ar-Rahman ibn Awf and az-Zubayr ibn al-`Awwam, both of whom suffered from scabies, permission to wear silk. (Reported by al-Bukhari)
The Wisdom of These Two Prohibitions Concerning Men
By means of these two prohibitions which concern men, Islam’s aim is to achieve certain noble educational and moral objectives.
Since it is the religion of jihad (striving) and strength, Islam must safeguard the manly qualities of men from any show of weakness, passivity, and lethargy. Allah has made the physique of the man different from that of the woman, and it does not befit a man to wear clothes made of fine material or to adorn his body with costly ornaments.
There is, however, a social aim underlying these prohibitions. The prohibition of gold and silk to males is part of a broader Islamic program of combating luxuriousness in living. From the Qur’anic point of view, luxurious living leads to weakness among nations and to their eventual downfall; the existence of luxury is also an expression of social injustice, as only a few can afford luxurious items at the expense of the deprived masses of people.
In addition to this, luxurious living is an enemy of every call towards truth, justice, and social reform. The Qur’an says: “And when We intend that We should destroy a township, we permit its luxury-loving people to commit wickedness therein. Then the word is proved true against it, and We then destroy it utterly.” (Al-Isra’: 16) and again, “And We did not send a warner to any township without its luxury-loving people saying, ‘Assuredly we are disbelievers in that with which you have been sent.’” (Saba’: 34)
In keeping with the spirit of the Qur’an, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) forbade Muslims any indulgence in conspicuous consumption. He not only forbade the use of gold and silk to men but also forbade men and women alike the use of gold and silver utensils.
Finally, economic considerations also carry some weight here. Since gold is a universal medium of exchange, using it to make household utensils or ornaments for men does not make sense in economic terms.
Why Gold and Silk are Permitted to Women
Woman has been exempted from this prohibition out of consideration for her feminine nature, as the love of jewelry and ornaments is quite natural and becoming for a woman. However, she is not to use her adornments to attract men and arouse their sexual desires. According to a hadith, “When a woman puts on perfume and goes among people so that its scent reaches them, she is an adulteress, and any eye which is attracted to her is that of an adulterer.” (Reported by an-Nasa’i, and also by Ibn Khuzaymah and Ibn Hayyan in their respective Sahihs) And Allah Almighty warns women: “…that they should not stamp their feet in order to make apparent what is hidden of their adornment…” (An-Nur: 31)"
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If mink coats were available during the time when Islamic rules were being made, would that have been added to the forbidden list? What about a pair of $1000 Italian leather shoes or a Jacquard-stiched suit by Gucci?
Gold and silk represented the finest of accessories during that time and perhaps that's why they are expressly forbidden. That points out the downfalls of following the culture of a far away place from a far away time as if that was the end-all of an enlightened society. Limit it to silk and gold and it's kind of silly to not include mink. Start adding to the list of what is forbidden and all of a sudden you are following a man made religion that no one can agree on since there aren't 1000 year old documents to report the what somebody said that somebody heard that Muhammed had told someone else.
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as usual.. NOTHING.. just as it doesn’t say anything about a prohibition on Gold or Silk.. these kind of illogical rulings are only derived from post quranic disinformations spread by Persian conspirators working against Islam.
[5:87] O you who believe! do not forbid (yourselves) the good things which Allah has made lawful for you and do not exceed the limits; surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.
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I think you do have an excellent point. However just because we dont have a deeper understanding of an issue, doesnt mean there isnt something behind what has been sent down as guidance . Time is hardly an issue for Islam. The religion is for now just as it was for people hundreds of years ago . A religion hardly has a date of when it should expire.
I however, think apart from the fact that one shouldnt spend money on such things, theres the whole issue of genders. In Islam, and particularly this topic, I think the point is that men are to stay away from silk and gold because they’re feminine things. I dont know what else would be behind it, but the link I posted, its interesting how it mentions that men should avoid it due to the fact that its feminine. Now this of course can be argued, but I thought it was a thought provoking point brought forth which didnt come up before.
As for man made. islam is not a man made religion. God sent down the Prophet (SAW) as an example to us all.
Gucci suit, God would expect you to ditch it and spend the money on some orphans or something :p.
Uh Allah sent down the Quran and the Prophet (SAW) as an example. Since when was there anything wrong with Sunnah. Why would God send down a Prophet (SAW) unless we were meant to use his life as an example.