If given a chance I wont repeat my mistake:: mush

[Monk]

BBCUrdu.com | پاکستان | ’غیر مقبولیت کی وجہ اپنی غلطیاں‘

’غیر مقبولیت کی وجہ اپنی غلطیاں‘
حسن مجتبٰی
بی بی سی اردو ڈاٹ کام، نیویارک

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’پاکستان کے مسائل کا حل آمریت میں نہیں بلکہ جمہوریت میں ہے‘ پاکستان کے سابق فوجی حکمران ریٹائرڈ جنرل پرویز مشرف نے اعتراف کیا ہے کہ ان کے دورِ حکومت میں خود ان سے سرزد ہونیوالی غلطیوں کی وجہ سے ہی وہ غیر مقبول ہوگئے‎ تھے۔
جنرل(ر) مشرف نے یہ بات اتوار کو اپنے پہلے دورۂ امریکہ کے دوران شکاگو میں ایک ظہرانے کے دوران شرکائے مجلس کے سوالات کے جوابات دیتے ہوئے کہی۔
اس سوال پر حکومت کے آخری دنوں میں ان کی غیر مقبولیت کی وجہ کیا تھی جنرل (ر) مشرف کا کہنا تھا کہ دوران حکومت ان سے بھی کچھ غلطیاں سرزد ضرور ہوئیں اور اگر انہیں پھر موقع ملا تو وہ یہ غلطیاں نہیں دہرائيں گے۔ تاہم انہوں نے خود سے سرزد ہونے والی غلطیوں کی نشاندہی نہیں کی۔
اس سوال پر کہ اگر وہ پاکستان میں اب تک حکمران ہوتے تو ممبئی حملوں پر ان کا ردعمل کیا ہوتا، ریٹائرڈ جنرل پرویز مشرف نے کہا کہ وہ پہلے ہی پاکستان میں کہہ چکے ہیں کہ پاکستانی عوام اور حکومت نے چوڑیاں نہیں پہن رکھیں لیکن جنگ پاکستان اور بھارت دونوں کو ہی بہت مہنگي پڑے گي۔
سابق فوجی ڈکٹیٹر نے ایک سوال کے جواب میں کہا کہ پاکستان کے مسائل کا حل آمریت میں نہیں بلکہ جمہوریت میں ہے۔ انہوں نے آئی ایس آئی کے کردار پر ایک سوال کا جواب دیتے ہوئے کہا کہ امریکی جاسوسی ایجنسی سی آئی اے سمیت دنیا بھر کی جاسوسی ایجنیسیوں کی طرح آئی ایس آئي بھی وہی کام کرتی ہے جو باقی جاسوسی ایجنسیاں کرتی ہیں۔
مقامی صحافیوں کے مطابق پاکستان کے سابق فوجی حکمران نے اپنے حالیہ دورۂ امریکہ کے دوران خود کو میڈیا سے دور رکھا ہوا ہے اور ان کے اس دورے کے لیے انتہائي سخت سکیورٹی انتظامات بھی کیے گئے ہیں
ادھر ہارورڈ یونیورسٹی میں پاکستانی طلبہ کے ایک گروپ نے سٹینفورڈ یونیورسٹی میں جنرل(ر) مشرف کو بطور مرکزی مقرر مدعو کرنے کے خلاف انٹرنیٹ پر مہم شروع کر دی ہے جس میں لوگوں سے سٹینفورڈ یونیورسٹی کے صدر کو سابق پاکستانی صدر کو خطاب کی دعوت کو مسترد کرنے کے لیے خطوط لکھنے کو کہا گیا ہے۔

Every one knows I hate him, But still this guy had guts + serious back bone.
Unlike our beloved ganja he admits that he did make mistakes.

[Captain1]

Re: If given a chance I wont repeat my mistake:: mush

[mod]**Per forum rules please post your own views and what you really want to discuss about this!

Where is the link??**[/mod]
PS: It is all in Urdu, we have some non-Urdu-script-readers, it will be great if you can provide a summary/translation too, thanks.

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Re: If given a chance I wont repeat my mistake:: mush

In short, basically hes now 'finally' admitting he was very unpopular, and it was not due to the US but his own failed policies towards the end.

[SID_NY]

Still begging for chance.....

What a shameful man he is!!

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Re: If given a chance I wont repeat my mistake:: mush

Indeed. At least hes now realized his unpopularity. Some of whats left of his supporters still think hes ‘popular’

Remember how he flaunted his arms on May 12th after ordering his allies the MQM to massacre those that oppose him in Karachi, to a paid crowd in Islamabad and claiming he popular he was. How quickly things change… Its a shame hes now begging for another chance - a chance he will never get no matter whose boots he has to shine.

[Faisal]

Re: If given a chance I wont repeat my mistake:: mush

Despite my deep personal reservations about any dictator who rides the tanks of military to grab power, I think Musharaf's rise and fall is a fascinating tale of a proud soldier and shameless power grab.

When he took over, arguably a majority of people welcomed him after the doofus-filled rule of Nawaz Sharif. Greeted as a savior and a professional military-man, Musharaf fell to the most common disease befalling any dictator: vanity. A strong belief that he is bigger than the nation and the country can not run without him at the helm. Instead of building institutions, his focus was to consolidate power. Mistake after mistake borne from misconceived arrogance, he made some critical decisions whose effects will be felt for years, may be decades.

The change in Pak policy towards Taliban circa Oct 2001 was perhaps the biggest strategic decision he took. Not necessarily a wrong decision, but implemented with a narrow military mind with no regard to nuances of public policy. Most all of Pakistan's current problems re: jihadis can be traced to that decision. Lal masjid tragedy amplified the same problems, and with US on one border now warily eying our border areas and India on the other side looking in with frustration, the proverbial chicken have come home to roost.

Like George W. Bush did yesterday, Musharaf finally admitted to making mistakes. In Powerabusers Annonymous, this is probably the first step towards rehab. If Musharaf starts thinking objectively, the list of his mistakes will likely be very very lengthy. Not unsurprising since he was in power for so long too. Biggest though will be to align himself with proven corrupt and chor politicians. However, the one which tragically demolished his dwindling legacy was the familiar mistake of not realizing when he had run out of time, and refusing to leave with any kind of honor and dignity. Pretty much chased out of office by a bunch of vultures (arghhh!!!).

As a footnote, in comparison to the majestic Asif Ali Zardari, even Musharaf will, in hindsight, appear like a proper statesman. Ah! a true tragedy of our times :)

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@Faisal

…In Powerabusers Annonymous, this is probably the first step towards rehab…

Wah wah Fisal bro!

Good one!

@Faisal

…If Musharaf starts thinking objectively, the list of his mistakes will likely be very very lengthy.

Well. I realize the guy made mistakes. But saying “very very lengthy” is a bit of stretch (no pun intended).

@Faisal

…Not unsurprising since he was in power for so long too. Biggest though will be to align himself with proven corrupt and chor politicians. However, the one which tragically demolished his remaining credibility is the familiar mistake of not realizing when he had run out of time, and refusing to leave with any kind of honor and dignity. Pretty much chased out of office by a bunch of vultures.

I disagree with this list (respectfully).

Running a country of almost 200 million people with only $30 billion a year is a very very messy and ugly job. Can you imagine how USA will be like if the budget drops to $50 billion a year? FYI $50 billion is the money used for only one city called New York.

Even if money was plentiful, you need politicians just you need garbage haulers to take out human waste. Hope you get the point.

Analyzing presidencies and PMs is really tough. We usually fall into the practice of using personal emotions and heresy and never get objective.

For those of you who are privileged to be in the USA (no hope for the UK settled), go read the biographies of American presidents. You will get a wealth of knowledge about how young countries are setup and brought up .

Abe Lincoln, one of the biggest democracy guy, the main guy to take action against heinous practice of slavery is known for many good things. But do you know that he shut down newspapers for their anti-state activities.

Yes sure the 200+ years old country has newspapers that can write anything (well sort of).

But try to read what USA was doing when it was just 60+ years old. Like in 1849.

When countries are young, they are like human babies, that need frequent “care”. If the politicians are smart enough, they can handle this dirty job.

Otherwise military use or Marshal Law is the only option left and Andrew Jackson used the military power to the fullest. Read his biography and see how he “controlled” the native tribes. We may learn something from him for our quest to control FATA.

The biggest mistake of Musharraf was that he didn’t establish clear guidelines for the news media. And our immature media created HUGE stink in case of Lal Masjid and US action in Iraq and Afghanistan.

And 200 million people surviving on $30 billion a year couldn’t handle the stink.

Anyways, all in all your analysis is pretty darn good.

[ehtasab]

Re: If given a chance I wont repeat my mistake:: mush

Even Benazir 'regretted' and asked for nation's forgiveness after 1st failure I believe (not that it was reported on newspaper's headlines but reported in an interview), so what if Mushy is doing the same. Admitting failures/mistakes doesn't make him good 'leader', may be 'good human' but then is he seeking forgiveness? I don't see any.

[hanibal]

I agree with ehtasab, once they are out of ther power, "suddenly" they realise their mistakes and how sorry they are for those and their promises for not repeating them, but the moment they are back in power, they make sure that they "make"enough money to help them in rainy days, actually this is the actuall mistake they normally make and they are sorry for that,

Back in 90s, on a tv show, somebody pointed out NS's mistakes, and he said yes he is very sorry about that, and when elected again NS made even bigger blunders.

So the translation of Mush's statement is, "I didn't knew what I was doingm but surely it was wrong" not a good one from the guy who ruled for almost 10 years.

[Shamraz_Khan]

As a footnote, in comparison to the majestic Asif Ali Zardari, even Musharaf will, in hindsight, appear like a proper statesman. Ah! a true tragedy of our times :)

Both Zardari and Mushrraf are accidents of history. Neither will achieve anything great, but one thing is for sure. Zardari has legitimacy which Mushrraf lacked.

[wine]

Both Zardari and Mushrraf are accidents of history. Neither will achieve anything great, but one thing is for sure. Zardari has legitimacy which Mushrraf lacked.

I can see that from all the tv programs where they actually put Zardari "ulta lat-ka kar jhoote marte hain"...

Most of the tv anchors & even politicians don't even call him President Zardari, if this is legitimacy you call then Musharraf was thousand times better then him. Even after so many mistakes & hatred in general public none of tv persons & politicans had balls to call him like that, even after he shed the uniform !

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@wine

I can see that from all the tv programs where they actually put Zardari “ulta lat-ka kar jhoote marte hain”…

Most of the tv anchors & even politicians don’t even call him President Zardari, if this is legitimacy you call then Musharraf was thousand times better then him. Even after so many mistakes & hatred in general public none of tv persons & politicans had balls to call him like that, even after he shed the uniform !

As if the anchors were respectable and courteous to Musharraf. At least they dont refer to Zardari as a dictator!

[wine]

@Data

**As if the anchors were respectable and courteous to Musharraf. **At least they dont refer to Zardari as a dictator!

What do you think? Even he is not in the power anymore, still they can’t say anything against him. They try their best to get the words out of politicians in tv programs. But they resist too, you know why is that?

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Re: If given a chance I wont repeat my mistake:: mush

^ Who told you that? I guess you havent been watching the top talk shows then, roz becharey ka keema nikaltey hain. Did you watch the Capital Talk from 2 weeks ago? The same goes for Zardari btw.

[wine]

@Data

^ Who told you that? I guess you havent been watching the top talk shows then, roz becharey ka keema nikaltey hain. Did you watch the Capital Talk from 2 weeks ago? The same goes for Zardari btw.

Still yar Mushi k uper woh “hath holta rakhte hain” .. lekin Gilani & Zardari … Allah maafi

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Re: If given a chance I wont repeat my mistake:: mush

^ Thats good because Musharraf is no longer in charge, those two are. Musharraf got his share in 2007.

[SID_NY]

Despite my deep personal reservations about any dictator who rides the tanks of military to grab power, I think Musharaf's rise and fall is a fascinating tale of a proud soldier and shameless power grab.

When he took over, arguably a majority of people welcomed him after the doofus-filled rule of Nawaz Sharif. Greeted as a savior and a professional military-man, Musharaf fell to the most common disease befalling any dictator: vanity. A strong belief that he is bigger than the nation and the country can not run without him at the helm. Instead of building institutions, his focus was to consolidate power. Mistake after mistake borne from misconceived arrogance, he made some critical decisions whose effects will be felt for years, may be decades.

The change in Pak policy towards Taliban circa Oct 2001 was perhaps the biggest strategic decision he took. Not necessarily a wrong decision, but implemented with a narrow military mind with no regard to nuances of public policy. Most all of Pakistan's current problems re: jihadis can be traced to that decision. Lal masjid tragedy amplified the same problems, and with US on one border now warily eying our border areas and India on the other side looking in with frustration, the proverbial chicken have come home to roost.

Like George W. Bush did yesterday, Musharaf finally admitted to making mistakes. In Powerabusers Annonymous, this is probably the first step towards rehab. If Musharaf starts thinking objectively, the list of his mistakes will likely be very very lengthy. Not unsurprising since he was in power for so long too. Biggest though will be to align himself with proven corrupt and chor politicians. However, the one which tragically demolished his dwindling legacy was the familiar mistake of not realizing when he had run out of time, and refusing to leave with any kind of honor and dignity. Pretty much chased out of office by a bunch of vultures (arghhh!!!).

As a footnote, in comparison to the majestic Asif Ali Zardari, even Musharaf will, in hindsight, appear like a proper statesman. Ah! a true tragedy of our times :)

Very good analysis.... agreed with every point you've made!

[Robert]

Both Zardari and Mushrraf are accidents of history. Neither will achieve anything great, but one thing is for sure. Zardari has legitimacy which Mushrraf lacked.

can we achieve anything great, by "accident"?

[ehtasab]

can we achieve anything great, by "accident"?

Ask Aalsi, both Zardari and Musharraf are great :D

[Aalsi]

Ask Aalsi, both Zardari and Musharraf are great :D

They are indeed Great. :)

One was born with Greatness, the other had Greatness thrust upon him. May God Bless them both. Ameen.