If a Hadith contradicts Quran?

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Re: If a Hadith contradicts Quran?

Ok. But you quote Urdu as well? Do you live in Saudi Arabia or what?

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Re: If a Hadith contradicts Quran?

No i live in Kingdom of Bahrain. :) why wanna visit me :D

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Re: If a Hadith contradicts Quran?

No thanks.

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Re: If a Hadith contradicts Quran?

^ I hav Qur'an translated in many languages so i quoted in english + urdu

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My SHIA frnd told me ...My SHIA frind told me.....listen i am also shia and i swear in the name of ALLAH that we SHIA dont curse and show hatred to AISHA ra,Omar ra and Abu bakar ra in this night neither we pray to our hidden imam to come and clean this world from Sunni muslims,so either your frind is not SHIA or you are using SHIA friend to spit out your dirty mind........SHAME ON YOU.

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Re: If a Hadith contradicts Quran?

^ Careful bhai. Maybe you’re saying that while under taqiyyah :hehe:

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I asked this on http://www.shiachat.com

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Can i ask you a question???Are you from
http://www.wahabipropaganda.com

because from all your posts i am getting some air of propaganda against SHIA MUSLIMS.Let me give you 2 advices here,IF YOU CANT BEAR US,LEAVE US.secondly LEAVE THE RIGHT TO JUDGE OTHERS WITH ALLAH RABBUL IZZAT.

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Peace lethal kamikaze

:slight_smile: The answer to your question is below in answer to Sister_J

Peace Sister_J

Studying Arabic is not a qualification or standard of ones proficiency in the language. Until you can claim to be teaching Arabic then I’ll listen. I am currently studying Arabic, and I am doing the Madinah course, but I don’t have to say this, because I know compared to my teacher (who is my father) I know nothing.

Anyway … the cause for confusion is based around ‘entity’ and ‘method’. Since the word we are talking about is a ‘verb’ but can also be a ‘noun’, an example being ‘cooperation’, we can cooperate which is a verb, but we can form a cooperation which is a noun.

We can easily see in the Qur’an whether it does mean all at once, because ‘water’ i.e. rain is also being ‘sent down’ just like ‘ayaat’ and ‘iron’ in the Qur’an. It also refers to the ‘torah’ being sent down as well as “The Book” - i.e. Qur’an.

2:159

Indeed, those who conceal what We sent down of clear proofs and guidance after We made it clear for the people in the Scripture - those are cursed by Allah and cursed by those who curse,

4:105

Indeed, We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth so you may judge between the people by that which Allah has shown you. And do not be for the deceitful an advocate.

5:44

Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. The prophets who submitted [to Allah ] judged by it for the Jews, as did the rabbis and scholars by that with which they were entrusted of the Scripture of Allah , and they were witnesses thereto. So do not fear the people but fear Me, and do not exchange My verses for a small price. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the disbelievers.

Torah is said to have been revealed over a period of around 500 years.

10:24

The example of [this] worldly life is but like rain which We have sent down from the sky that the plants of the earth absorb - [those] from which men and livestock eat - until, when the earth has taken on its adornment and is beautified and its people suppose that they have capability over it, there comes to it Our command by night or by day, and We make it as a harvest, as if it had not flourished yesterday. Thus do We explain in detail the signs for a people who give thought.

Does rain come down all at once or are water drops individuals where each comes at its own time? Rather has all the rain that is ever going to rain all come at once?

12:2

Indeed, We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur’an that you might understand.

22:5

O People, if you should be in doubt about the Resurrection, then [consider that] indeed, We created you from dust, then from a sperm-drop, then from a clinging clot, and then from a lump of flesh, formed and unformed - that We may show you. And We settle in the wombs whom We will for a specified term, then We bring you out as a child, and then [We develop you] that you may reach your [time of] maturity. And among you is he who is taken in [early] death, and among you is he who is returned to the most decrepit [old] age so that he knows, after [once having] knowledge, nothing. And you see the earth barren, but when We send down upon it rain, it quivers and swells and grows [something] of every beautiful kind.

23:18

And We have sent down rain from the sky in a measured amount and settled it in the earth. And indeed, We are Able to take it away.

29:51

And is it not sufficient for them that We revealed to you the Book which is recited to them? Indeed in that is a mercy and reminder for a people who believe.

39:2

Indeed, We have sent down to you the Book, [O Muhammad], in truth. So worship Allah , [being] sincere to Him in religion.

39:41

Indeed, We sent down to you the Book for the people in truth. So whoever is guided - it is for [the benefit of] his soul; and whoever goes astray only goes astray to its detriment. And you are not a manager over them.

41:39

And of His signs is that you see the earth stilled, but when We send down upon it rain, it quivers and grows. Indeed, He who has given it life is the Giver of Life to the dead. Indeed, He is over all things competent.

44:3

Indeed, We sent it down during a blessed night. Indeed, We were to warn [mankind].

Tafsir* al-Jalalayn*

Indeed We revealed it on a blessed night, the Night of Ordainment (laylat al-qadr), or the eve of the middle of Sha‘bān, in which it was revealed from the Mother Book, from the seventh heaven to the heaven of this world. Indeed We have been warning, We have been causing [people] by it to have fear [of God].

57:25

We have already sent Our messengers with clear evidences and sent down with them the Scripture and the balance that the people may maintain [their affairs] in justice. And We sent down iron, wherein is great military might and benefits for the people, and so that Allah may make evident those who support Him and His messengers unseen. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might.

58:5

Indeed, those who oppose Allah and His Messenger are abased as those before them were abased. And We have certainly sent down verses of clear evidence. And for the disbelievers is a humiliating punishment.

97:1

Indeed, We sent the Qur’an down during the Night of Decree.

NaZaLa – (he/it) descended/ has come down – 17:106, 57:16 (appears 4 times)
yaNZiLu – descends – 34:2, 57:4 (appears 2 times)
NaZZaLa – has sent down – 2:176, 3:3 (appears 12 times)
NaZZaL:-na – (We) have/had sent down – 2:23, 6:7 (appears 6 times)
la:-NaZZaL:-na – (We would) have sent down – 17:95 (appears only 1 time)
taNZeeLun – a revelation – 41:2, 39:1 (appears 11 times)
aNZaL:-naa-hu – (We) have sent down (him/it) – 6:92, 12:2 (appears 14 times)

Other than this there are hundreds of times this ‘root’ appears in several other forms.
The question regarding the difference between NaZZal:-na and aNZaL:-naa-hu is that of the difference between continuous and discrete respectively.

Some people may think that this means ‘gradually’ and ‘all at once’, but this is not what ‘continuous’ and ‘discrete’ mean. What they mean in reality is that NaZZal:-na is the ‘process’ by which “we sent down” and implies a ‘medium’ whereas aNZaL:-naa-hu focuses only on the start and end points of “we sent down”.

You have a maNZiL – which is a level. Moving up and down levels is a discrete function. It implies a jump from one to another. Linguistically this means an immediate exposure, it does not mean ‘all of something is being sent’ rather it means ‘all of what is sent comes at once’. It is quite possible for part of something to be sent to come at once, which is still aNZaL.

However, NaZZal:-na is based on the verb NaZaLa, the latter is ‘it descended’ (like a ball rolling down a slope), all or part of whatever is being sent is ‘coming down’ through a set of media or a chain-linked process.

So the difference between the two is subtle. If I have a bunch of grapes, a slide and a teleport device, then it does not make any difference whether I send the bunch of grapes or a single grape down the slide it will still be called NaZZal:-na, likewise it does not matter if I send a single grape or the whole bunch in the teleport device it will still be called aNZaL:-naa-hu.

The idea of ‘gradual’ or ‘all at once’ does not come from the amount of grapes, rather it comes from the ‘way’ they are coming down ‘i.e. gradually descending or immediately revealed”

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i am saying it on that particular night.i think you can understand.

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am sort of confused as well.....Qur'an was revealed in Ramadhan and that's layt-ul-Qadr
where as 15th shaaban is completely a different case, a blessed night for some different reasons(which at the moment am not really sure of)...

and that part in bold, then u'd be surprised if u did a little research;)