If a Hadith contradicts Quran?

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Peace Jia_online

This query is not in line with the method of determining 'sahih' status of hadith. The scholars do not ask themselves this question.

Rather they will look at the authenticity based on the rules.

a) Chain
b) Characters of narrators
c) supporting hadith

Then they will say:

a) Does it make literal sense? If not, why?
b) If why is that it seems to contradict Qur'an, then they ask, Is there a context?
c) If yes, then that means they ask does the hadith have a specific exception to the general rule.
d) If no, then that means you ask another question, does it make sense metaphorically?
e) If yes, then the task is done. If no then, provided the chains are weak and the characters are poor then they can say the chances are that the hadith is fabricated. If the chains are solid and the characters also, then we cannot say "throw out the hadith" we must rest the issue and claim that our wisdom and understanding do not envelope the issue yet and trust that in time it becomes apparent.

We cannot declassify hadith because we "think" they contradict Qur'an.

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Quran tells us on different occasions to pray. Fajr and Asr prayers are mentioned by names. Even there are two sorah named after them.

Quran tells us to pray in the morning, during day and at night.

Quran neither tells us how to pray. We follow Prophet Sunnah to pray. These ahadith does not contradict Quran.

Don't think I am a Quranist/ Quran only person. Neither I am Ehl-e Hadith/ wahabi/ deobandi etc etc. I am a Muslim who follows what is mentioned in Quran and in authentic Sunnah and Hadith books.

Hope you got my point.

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I am doing Masters in Islamic Education. I have learnt that subject too which is called "Hadith Science"

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Peace Sister_J

No, I expected this response in total. I know you are none of the above. If you are a follower of authentic hadith books then you should follow Ibn Majah and the hadith I posted.

Anyway, coming back to the topic. The reason why I asked you that question is because you have understood the concept of contradiction:

  • A thing is said to 'contradict' when both the 'contexts', and the 'timeframes' and the language 'limits' the two conditions so there can be no doubt of their equation and for a factor to be out of sync in that equation.

However, you are trying to use open-ended Qur'anic ayat to 'prove' that hadith are in contradiction to the verses. I showed you that the term "We sent down" is a term that neither specifies a 'timeframe' nor an 'amount', which means there could be other 'times' when "we sent down" is applicable and other 'amounts' when "we sent down" is applicable.

So if you have any issues with this so far then please say so, then we can continue our discussion.

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Re: If a Hadith contradicts Quran?

Very informtic thread :k: :jazak: for sharing info :slight_smile:

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Peace Sister_J

Does learning about the science of hadith qualify you to deem the said topic of shab-e-barat as false? Or would you need to practice in the capacity with mujtahids and muftis first to be able to do this?

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Let me explain something more.

“Inna Anzalnahu fi layla til Qadr”

44:3"Inna Anzalnahu fi layla til Mubarakh"

Anzalna means sent immediately, at once. This verse refers to the event when Allah sent down the complete Quran from Loh-e Mehfuz on worldly sky in the night of Qadr (Taqdeer)

Sorah Yaseen “Tanzeelal azizir Raheem”

Tanzeel means revealed gradually. This refers to the era of 23 years.

So, what you are saying does not match with Arabic grammar.

The last verse was revealed on 10th of Zul Hajj, NOT on 15th of Shabaan.

Narrated 'Umar bin Al-Khattab:
Once a Jew said to me, “O the chief of believers! There is a verse in your Holy Book Which is read by all of you (Muslims), and had it been revealed to us, we would have taken that day (on which it was revealed as a day of celebration.” 'Umar bin Al-Khattab asked, “Which is that verse?” The Jew replied, “This day I have perfected your religion For you, completed My favor upon you, And have chosen for you Islam as your religion.” (al-Ma’idah 5:3) 'Umar replied, “No doubt, we know when and where this verse was revealed to the Prophet. It was Friday and the Prophet was standing at 'Arafat (i.e. the Day of Hajj)” (Sahih Bukhari 1.43)

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Peace Sister_J

Anzalna does not mean sent immediately at once, and even if it did it does not mean ‘all’ at once, it could still mean part of it at once. However, anzalna does mean “we revealed it or delivered it” in the past tense, meaning that it has been done and over.

Tanzeel can both mean it is “currently being revealed” or “revelation” i.e. the verbal noun. It does not mean gradually revealed.

However you are not wrong that the Qur’an was “delivered” at once on the sky. But we don’t get this from Qur’an, we get it from this hadith.

Ibn Abbas and others have said, "Allah sent the Qur'an down all at one time from the Preserved Tablet (Al-Lawh Al-Mahfuz) to the House of Might (Baytul-Izzah), which is in the heaven of this world. Then it came down in parts to the Messenger of Allah based upon the incidents that occurred over a period of twenty-three years.‘’ Then Allah magnified the status of the Night of Al-Qadr, which He chose for the revelation of the Mighty Qur’an, by His saying, …

From this hadith the act of sending down all at once to the heaven of this world is ‘anzal’, but it is also ‘anzal’ when each part comes down.

Anyway, all of this argument is only about one claim that is the claim of “The Qur’an was revealed on the night of nisf-u-Shaban”, even if we discard this claim there are plenty of references in hadith that show 15th night is blessed even without this particular claim. Please read this:

http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/shabebaraat.pdf

Finally,

LV: *“Show fear of a Day when you will be returned to Allah.” *(2:281)
4270. It is related that Ibn 'Abbas said, “The last ayat revealed to the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, was the ayat of usury.”

http://www.sunnipath.com/library/Hadith/H0002P0068.aspx

So there is a difference of opinion here too. The verse you have quoted is between 1 - 3 years from the passing of RasoolAllah (SAW) at the farewell on Hajj. This verse is said to have been revealed hours before.

Even if you study the meaning it does not say “the scripture/revelation is complete this day” rather it states “the deen”.

Personally if the Qur’an was not revealed on this night, it makes no difference to me, since there are many other reasons for its blessed status.

I hope this helps to form an understanding.

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Peace Brother n Sister!

Surah Al Shura or Consultation, where Allah SWT! said: "And they did not become divided until after knowledge had come to them - out of jealous animosity between themselves. And if not for a word that preceded from your Lord [postponing the penalty] until a specified time, it would have been concluded between them. And indeed, those who were granted inheritance of the Scripture after them are, concerning it, in disquieting doubt. "[42:14]

God’s Religion is the same in essence, whether given, for example, to Noah, Abraham, Moses, or Jesus, or to our holy Prophet :saw2: . The source of unity is the relevation from God. In Islam it is ‘established’ as an institution, and does not reamin merely a vague suggestion.

Faith, Duty or Religion, is not a matter to dispute about. The formation of sects is against the very principal of Religion and Unity. What we should strive for is steadfastness in duty and fairth, and unity among mankind.

Unity, unselfishness, love for God and man - these things are inconsistent with selfish agg*****ze-ment, unjust suppression of our fellow-creatures, false worship and false conduct to our brethern. Hence the Gospel of Unity, though it is in complete accord with the pure pattern after which God made us, is yet hard to those who love self and falsehood. But Grace is free to all, and in His wise plan. He will specially select Teachers to show wht Way to humanity and no one who turns to Him will lack guidance.

So if you reject Truth after it has reached you, it can only be through selfish contumacy or envy. Those who have inherited the Book ar the people of the Book, of the ages since the Book of Revelation came to them. Referring to the Jews and Christians contemporary with our Prophet, how true it is that they were broken up into hostile sects which hated and persecuted each other. Islam came to unite them, and it did, For the present phases of Christianity and Judaism are of later growth.

The theme is how evil and blasphemy can be cured by the Mercy and Guidance of God, which come through His Revelation. Men re asked to settle their differences in patience by mutual Consultation.

The Contrast of blasphemy and disputation against Revelation, Unity and Faith, as relying on the Signs and the Mercy of God.

Evil comes through men’s own deeds, of which they cannot avoid the consequences, but Guidance comes through God’s Mercy and Revelation.

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^ Peace lethal kamikaze

I was reading your post and started to feel the pressue of it burdening on me seeing that I think you addressed it partially to me. I suddenly realised that I was reading the translation of the Qur'an, which is not obvious from above.

I guess you see some semblence in your post to my actions, so now I guess I am required to shut-up. So I will.

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Peace Psyah Brother!

Pardon me if u feel bad from my comments. :mash2: u two both hav more knowledge than i and i was quite reading comments of both of you but suddenly i felt that (maybe i’m wrong) the destination for both of you is same but the paths is lil different which caused lil confustion for a third person to select. :slight_smile: In the meanwhile the above ayat and its translation came into in my mind so I shared with u both.

Allah SWT! aap 2no ke is amal/information pr Jazay Khair ata farmain of hum sub ke mistake ko maaf karain Ameen.

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aren’t you mixing up 2 things. Shab-e-baraat (15th shaban) and Laylat ul qadar (which is in ramdan)??

as far as my knowledge concern. There is no significance of “Shab-e-baraat”. neither proven by quran nor proven by ahadeeths. this is just something that “pakistani” people follow and no other muslim in the world even know about it.

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:konfused:

Quran says that destinies are decided in which Quran was revealed i.e. Layla tl Qadr. That is why worshiping in that night is like worship of 1000 months.

Hadith says the other way, i.e. contradicting Quran.

Btw, I agree with Sis J that Anzalna means “Sent at once”. My Arabic teacher told me that.

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Rightly said. SHe meant the same. It only happens in Indo-pak.

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Peace Loading…please wait

Look if you want to say “hadith says the other way” then please bring the hadith that does then we can look at it. If you have read what I wrote earlier you would see that my contention with Sister_J is not about whether the ayat is intending to mean Layla-tul-Qadr or not, but rather whether it is categorically a contradiction or not with the practices of those who revere this night of 15th Shabaan.

My reasons for doing extra worship on this night is not based on this ayat, but on the various hadith that say it is a blessed night because sins are forgiven on this night.

My analysis of the ayat is to show that a clear contradiction is not present.

Your Arabic teacher told you that “anzalna” means “sent at once”, but rather I would insist that really this is interpreted to mean “sent at once” grammatically it means “we (have) sent down” where the (have) means that (it is no longer being done) …

According to the hadith of Abu Huraira (RA) - it was sent at once on the earthly heaven and revealed in packets to us. However, neither this hadith nor the grammatical construct of ‘anzalna’ prevents the idea that:

a) The “whole” Qur’an could have been “sent” more than once.

b) Also the Arabic is ‘silent’ in what was sent down this is also interpretation … it states " we have sent on the night of decree" and “we have sent on a blessed night” you ask sent what? - The slient thing can be “the Qur’an” which is the way it is interpreted by usool, but it can also be other things such as “a command” or “a decision” was sent, and so on.

A clear contradiction is not present. Also some people who are twisted they may say that the Qur’an is contradicting itself, LaylatilMubarak or LaylatilQadr? They may ask. The answer could be that these are synonyms for the same term or from the reasoning above.

But the Qur’an doesn’t necessarily say what is being sent on each of these nights, it is silent in this matter.

My stance is to show that although there may be strong and weak opinions they are not always True and False opinions as some people like to say. If we understand each other on strong and weak grounds rather than true and false grounds then we can live nicely together.

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:salam2:

I agree with Psyah!

1 arabic word have many meanings but exact meaning of it can observed according to the complete sentence where less chances are for mistakes.

btw loading…please! could u please ask your teacher what is the meaning of ‘Nazalna’ and what is different between **‘Anzalna’ **and 'Nazalna’.

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Nazalna = we sent.

Anzalna = Sent at once by us.

No contradiction. These are two names of one night which is indeed a Mubarak night in which Quran was sent to the worldly sky as a whole at once and then was revealed to Prophet Mohammad SAW gradually till 10th Zul Hajj.

We fast in the month of Ramadan as thanksgiving to Allah because he gave us Quran in this month.

Allah says

شَهْرُ رَمَضَانَ الَّذِيَ** أُنزِلَ** فِيهِ الْقُرْآنُ هُدًى لِّلنَّاسِ

2:185 Shahru ramadana allathee onzila feehi alquranu hudan lilnnasi

“2:185 It was the month of Ramadan in which the Qur’an was bestowed from on high as a guidance unto man”

See. again you can see Alif here before “Nazal”. If Allah meant that He simply started sending Quran from Ramadan, he would say Nazalna and NOT anzalna.

Have you taken any Arabic classes? I am doing MA in Islamic Education and learning Arabic as a Subject.

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:yawn:

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Have you taken any Arabic classes?

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my second language is arabic