I.e. about significances of Shab e Baraat, this goes against Quran.
Read here](http://learnislam.freeforums.org/the-especial-night-mentioned-in-surah-dakan-t64.html)
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For Starts another Discussion forum cant be taken as evidence to support your point in regards to the blessed Night.
Secondly, i did have a quick glance at the forum, and to say that there isnt any real Ahadith mentioned that Peoples fates, who shall die and who be born etc etc on this auspicious night of 15th shaban is False cos from the top of my head i Can relate 2 Ahadith whose narartor is Hazrat Aisha Siddiqah RA. and in regards to the speacial night .. a narration by Hazrat Ali RA
thirdly, Ahadith which contradicts Qur'an is NOT called a hadith ... it can be a saying or just a mere fabrication by the enemies of Islam.
Fourthly, The Holy messenger is FREE from committing any sins and therefore, Anything which he Says as it says in the Quran that ''It is from Allah Almighty'' since anything which is said by the Prophet SAW is in will - mashiyyat of Allah Almighty ..then why wud Allah Contradict Himself with the Quran. slight philosophy involved here - this can be easily understood if you ve studdied Ilm e Hadith
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It means that Hadith is fabricated because it goes against Quran.
Praise be to Allaah.
Laylat al-Nusf min Sha’baan (the 15th of Sha’baan) is like any other night, and there is no sound report from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to indicate that on this night the fate or destiny of people is decided.
With regard to the night mentioned in the verses:
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“We sent it (this Qur’aan) down on a blessed night. Verily, We are ever warning [mankind that Our Torment will reach those who disbelieve in Our Oneness of Lordship and in Our Oneness of worship].
Therein (that night) is decreed every matter of ordainments”**
[al-Dukhaan 44:3-4]
Ibn Jareer al-Tabari (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: the commentators differed concerning that night, i.e., which night of the year it is. Some of them said that it is Laylat al-Qadr, and it was narrated from Qurtaadah that it is Laylat al-Qadr. Others said that it is the night of the 15th of Sha’baan. The correct view is the view of those who say that it is Laylat al-Qadr, because Allaah has told us of that when He says, ‘Verily, We are ever warning’ [al-Dukhaan 44:3].”
(Tafseer al-Tabari, 11/221)
With regard to the phrase, “Therein (that night) is decreed every matter of ordainments”: Ibn Hajar said in his commentary on Saheeh al-Bukhaari: “What this means is that the decrees for the year are decided on that night, because Allaah says: ‘Therein (that night) is decreed every matter of ordainments’. And al-Nawawi said: the scholars said that it is called Laylat al-Qadr because on this night the angels write down the decrees (aqdaar), because Allaah says, ‘Therein (that night) is decreed every matter of ordainments’. This was also narrated by ‘Abd al-Razzaaq and other mufassireen with saheeh isnaads from Mujaahid, ‘Ikrimah, Qutaadah and others. Al-Toorbashti said that the word used in the Qur’aan is qadr, whereas people think it is qadar (decree); the word qadr refers to the detailed manifestation of the decree.
Laylat al-Qadr brings great reward for the one who does good deeds and strives in worship on that night.
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
**“Verily, We have sent it (this Qur’aan) down in the Night of Al-Qadr (Decree).
And what will make you know what the Night of Al-Qadr (Decree) is?
The Night of Al-Qadr (Decree) is better than a thousand months (i.e. worshipping Allaah in that night is better than worshipping Him a thousand months, i.e. 83 years and 4 months).
Therein descend the angels and the Rooh [Jibreel (Gabriel)] by Allaah’s Permission with all Decrees,
(All that night), there is peace (and goodness from Allaah to His believing slaves) until the appearance of dawn”[al-Qadr 97:1-5] **
There are many ahaadeeth which speak of the virtue of that night, such as the hadeeth narrated by al-Bukhaari from Abu Hurayrah, in which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever spends Laylat al-Qadr in prayer out of faith and hoping for reward, all his previous sins will be forgiven, and whoever fasts Ramadaan out of faith and hoping for reward, all his previous sins will be forgiven.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, al-Sawm, 1768).
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No further Comment ..as your posting the same thing over n over 
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I have posted Quranic verses.
My Shia fellows told me that it's the birthday of their ghayab Imam Mahdi that is why they play with fire crackers and wear new dresses.
Baraat does not mean good. According to 9:1 Baraat means hatred. بَرَاءةٌ مِّنَ اللّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ إِلَى الَّذِينَ عَاهَدتُّم مِّنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ
Baraatun mina Allahi warasoolihi ila allatheena AAahadtum mina almushrikeen*a**A (declaration) of immunity* from Allah and His Messenger, to those of the Pagans with whom ye have contracted mutual alliances:-
Shia curse and show hatred to Aisha RA, Omer RAand Abu Bakr RA in this night. They pray to their hidden Imam to help and come quickly and to clean this world from Sunnies.
(My Shia friend told me).
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No offence ... but i sense your a newly revert to Islam ..If so .. then I think you need study for yourself rather than quote un-reliable friends as a source of evidence ..
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interesting!
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^^ not interesting bruv ... someone just trying to a make a scene ..
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agreed too many are tryign to errode centuries of truth with a few years of so called intelligence.
No offence ... but i sense your a newly revert to Islam ..If so .. then I think you need study for yourself rather than quote un-reliable friends as a source of evidence ..
I have studied Islam for ten years alhmadulillah. Reverted to it before 5 years and preaching it for 2 years.
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^^ Atleast I was right .. since i now know who you are and where you come from and that you do not follow a sect .. I fully know how to tackle your threads ...
and from whom did you study Islam with or was it sheikh Google search? and from whom hands did you revert if i may ask?
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Peace All
Let's all take it down a notch. Instead of getting personal we can address the concerns.
We have seen great scholars in history who have put painstaking effort in collecting, classifying and grading hadith, we should always cite them even for referencing when discussing hadith. Part of their work involved declaring various hadith 'fabricated'. The basis they took for this was not necessarily whether the hadith contradicted the Qur'an, rather it was to do with the characters of the transmitters and the strength of the chain. The main reason why 'contradiction' was not immediately considered was because they feared that their own understanding could be limited and there could be 'conditions' that applied as exceptions to the general or that there could be positions where both the Qur'an and hadith would complement each other just the perception needed changing.
So my question is that if the experts feared making the claim that a hadith contradicts the Qur'an throw it out, why are we making this claim today whilst we have vastly less skill, and knowledge than them?
The Shia spend the entire eve of the 15th of Sha’ban in prayers and worship. Shia’s spend the 15th day in celebration, as it marks the birthday of their final Imām, Muhammad al-Mahdi. Shia’s believe him to be the Mahdi, an important figure who all the Muslims believe will rid the world of tyranny and injustice.
In this night, Narjes, the mother of Al-Mahdi and the grand-daughter of the Byzantine Emperor, gave birth to him at midnight. The story of Narjes summarized here, was considered from the dynasty of one of the Twelve “Hawaryin” who were the true followers of the Issa. The grandfather of Narjes, the Byzantine Emperor of the time, agreed to marry Narjes to several knights in turn. However, every time the palace was shaken during the marriage ceremony and the marriage then cancelled. One night, Narjes saw in a dream that Issa came with Mohammad and his grandchild, Imam Hassan Al-Askari (Askari - Arabic for soldier). She heard Muhammad asking Issa to marry Narjes for his grandchild, and Issa accepted in the ‘other place’. Narjes awoke frightened and decided to forget the dream. However, she frequently dreamt similar things and remained thinking of the matter. Once she saw Al-Zahraa, who told her to go into the Byzantine Army as a soldier to be captured. She told her that Imam Al-Hadi was going to buy her later on and marry her to his son , Al-Hassan Al-Askari. She did exactly and was captured to be sold at the slave market. Many tried to buy her but she always refused sharply, until Imam Al-Hadi sent a man from his side with a letter to her in her language. She agreed and went with him to Imam Al-Hadi. Some time later, she married Al-Hassan Al-Askari and soon she was pregnant with Al-Mahdi. The Abbassids had sent spies to watch for any pregnancy, since they were afraid of the promised Al-Mahdi. However, no signs appeared on Narjes until the night of the birth of Al-Mahdi. Al-Mahdi was given birth, and his parents saw him sitting on his knees and having a tattoo (a writing on his hand) which indicated that he was the promised rescuer.
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Many scholars and general people believe that Shab-e-Barat is not what it is believed to be. This belief is based on the fact that there is no mention of such a night in the Quran.**
Some quote 44.4 of the Quran to justify the Night from the Quran.
In the Indian subcontinent Muslims make sweets (especially Halwa or Zarda) to be given to the neighbors and the poor on the evening prior to the 15th of Sha’ban, but is deemed as an innovation to the faith by some Sunni scholars; some even consider it as a sin.
Even when hadiths are used to justify the night, some Sunni scholars (and again that is just some) have labeled such hadiths as weak (da’if).
^^ Atleast I was right .. since i now know who you are and where you come from and that you do not follow a sect .. I fully know how to tackle your threads ...
and from whom did you study Islam with or was it sheikh Google search? and from whom hands did you revert if i may ask?
I supplicated to Allah to guide me. Then I studied Quran (along with asking Allah's guidance) for 10 years.
If I prove you wrong, why do you burn in jealousy and start personal attacks?
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@ sister_j....my dear dun tak it at heart..it usually happens when a person bring ssmthing new in front of those who are not able to search at their own and just follow blindly....im nt intended degrade any1 here but lemme tell u onething....we as a muslims are allowed to follow only Quran and Sunnah....in Quran their is only one ayat that is used to refer as proof of Shab e barrat...but if u read it...in Surah Dukhan..u find nothing such that shows or proof that Allah Almighty talked about Shab e barrat...second comes Ahadith or sunnah...I checked all authentic books of Ahidth and didnt fine any Ahadith that shows significance of that night....yes..there are number of Aahadith about significance of whole month of Shaban but nt 15th Shaban...the Ahadith that people usually refer are not authentic at all...this is wat i searched and found and sharing...no personal attacks plz as Allah is the one who gives guidance...just pray that may Allah show us right path...if im wrong...i vl get the right knowlwdge soon...no no offense plz
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The website mentioned looks fishy to me.
If a Hdith contradicts Quran, then definitely Quran is 100 % correct.
Peace Sister_J
How is this supposed to answer my post? Cut and Paste jobs are clutter, please put a bit of effort in your responses.
The Shi’a view of Shab-e-barat and this wiki article are red herrings. Here is another part of a wiki article:
It is reported from Sayyiduna Ali that Muhammad said: “Let all of you spend the night of mid-Sha`ban in worship (i.e. partly) and its day in fasting. Allah descends to the nearest heaven during this night, beginning with sunset, and says: Is there no one asking forgiveness that I may forgive them? Is there no one asking sustenance that I may grant them sustenance? Is there no one under trial that I may relieve them? Is there not such-and-such, is there not such-and-such, and so forth until dawn rises.” [1]](Mid-Sha'ban - Wikipedia) This hadith was classified as weak however there is general consensus that weak hadiths may be acted upon for virtuous acts (Fadaail A’mal), such as voluntary fasting and prayer, as long as the hadith is not excessively weak, returns to a general basis in the Shariah, and one is not convinced that Muhammad specifically prescribed it.
Remember the hadith does NOT contradict the Qur’an, a limited perspective may think it to do so. Also, ‘weak’ hadith is only on the criteria that it does not have an extensive narration or a fully connection chain. And it is permissible to act upon weak hadith for areas where ‘good’ can be gained.
At the moment you are presenting a difference of opinion, you may hold that opinion, but to say anyone else who holds an opinion other that your own is deviating, that accusation is tantamount to breaching the very essence of being Muslim. Accept each other for the minor differences where evidence is present for those differences. And work together for good and look for common ground. This is my advice.
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Peace Sister_J
Answer me this question. If hadith contradict Qur'an then how is it that we pray 5 times a day? Does the Qur'an tell us to pray 5 times a day? If it does not then how many times does it mention that we should pray?
Remember the hadith does NOT contradict the Qur'an, a limited perspective may think it to do so.
- With due respect to your opinion, this hadith contradicts Quran in the fashion that this hadith puts attributes of Layla tul Qadr into Shab e Baraat.
Quran is very clear that destinies are decided on the night in which Quran was revealed.
- Baraat does not mean Nijaat or salvation. Bara'at means disavowal, disconnection, anger, curse etc. This does not mean forgiveness at all. Because the whenever and wherever the word Bara'at is used in Quran, it is used to show hatred. It is never used as a sign of forgiveness. Lets examine many verses of Quran which have this word Bara'at. Chapter 9 starts with this word Bara'at as you can see below. But it does not mean Forgiveness at all, it means humility.
9:1 Baraatun mina Allahi warasoolihi ila allatheena AAahadtum mina almushrikeena
*بَرَاءةٌ *مِّنَ اللّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ إِلَى الَّذِينَ عَاهَدتُّم مِّنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ (9:1)
9:1 DISAVOWAL by God and His Apostle [is herewith announced] unto those who ascribe divinity to aught beside God, [and] with whom you [O: believers] have made a covenant.
and:
9:3 anna Allaha bareeon mina almushrikeena warasooluhu
ِ9:3 أَنَّ اللّهَ بَرِيءٌ مِّنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ وَرَسُولُهُ9
9:3"God disavows all who ascribe divinity to aught beside Him, and [so does] His Apostle.
More:
6:78 innee bareeon mimma tushrikoona
إِنِّي بَرِيءٌ مِّمَّا تُشْرِكُونَ (6:78)
6:78 "O my people! Behold, far be it from me to ascribe divinity, as you do, to aught beside God!
While Qadr has got two aspects.
Taqdeer = destiny or decree.
Qudrat = power (Doer = Qadir and Qadeer)
If you use your common sense, you can understand.
I used to observe this night also but when I read Sorah Dukhan, I got the real picture. No wahabi guided me. Allah guides whom he wills.