these practises not confines to one religen
Low-Caste Converts Barred From Mass in India
The villagers, known as Dalit Christians after the lower-caste Hindu social group they once belonged to, were prevented from attending midnight Mass at St. Ebiben’s Church in Manjakuppam, in southern Tamil Nadu state, about 1,100 miles south of New Delhi, by high-caste converts, Father Christopher Rethinasamy said.
He said he was helpless to do anything because he feared an outbreak of violence.
Re: Open question!
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...And the untouchablity part, well, if you say that many Hindus follow it and therefore it is a part of Hinduism, well by that same logic, since many people dont follow it now, has it been taken out of teh religion?
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"untouchability" is endorsed by religion in Hinduism.
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For a change why dont you guys take a break from slamming Hindus and all other "low-class" kaffirs and try to find out a bit more with an open mind...
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Why don't you check out who opened the thread? :)
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more of social and economic exploitation than following a rule
odf religen. chek out the word “beleiving slave” in quran.
lot of thing are incorporated into religen for selfish interests.
is south afirca aparthied endorsed by bible?
Muslim Dalits demand parity with other Dalits
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The Prophet(PBUH) is also mentioned as 'Rehmatullil Alamin', meaning Rehmat for the universe and as far as i know the hindu's and budhists live in the same universe as the rest of us.
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You certainly know that we non moslems are not bounded by who ever has written and what ever is written in your koran as you are not obliged to abide by vedas, vendidad or dharmapad.
If your prophet is called 'Rehmatullil Alamin'or jesus is called 'son of god'...they mean little to a nonmoslem or a nonchristian. Just like 'Tirupati', the god of earth mean nothing to you.
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Once again, the term idolators encompasses almost all religions. People can argue that hindu's arnt idolators but i see them worshipping idols, pictures, objects, and even animals. Same with budhists and even many christians nowadays. the Quran doesnt need to refer to any single religion by name.
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And bowing b'fore a book is 'object worship'....for you the sanctity of that book is very holy...for a nonmoslem its just another book.....
just like a hindu sees a image of god in a stone statue...for a nonhindu it just another stone.
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You certainly know that we non moslems are not bounded by who ever has written and what ever is written in your koran as you are not obliged to abide by vedas, vendidad or dharmapad.
If your prophet is called 'Rehmatullil Alamin'or jesus is called 'son of god'...they mean little to a nonmoslem or a nonchristian. Just like 'Tirupati', the god of earth mean nothing to you.
And bowing b'fore a book is 'object worship'....for you the sanctity of that book is very holy...for a nonmoslem its just another book.....
just like a hindu sees a image of god in a stone statue...for a nonhindu it just another stone.
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I never said yopu have to abide by what our book or religion says. Islam staunchly opposes any compulsion in religion. For you your own religion, for me mine.
But you just have been slamming islam for not mentioning other religions, and im just pointing out to you in very polite terms that it does refer to other religions.
Yes to a hindu the stone may not just be an idol..but to the rest of the world an idol is an idol. Islam refers to them as idolators .
Muslims dont bow down before the Quran. We dont worship the Quran. We just highly respect it and abide by whats written in it. No one is worthy of worship but Allah, not the Quran, not the Prophet, nothing..except Allah.
Last but not least, what religion are you ?
Dear maniac, thanks for your active participation. You see, for many reasons I cannot agree to your ‘'Rehmatullil Alamin'….alamin interpretation that it meant the all universe, because it is a common understanding in many Islamic literatures including quran that universe limits only upto muslims, read carefully many of muslim replies in any thread, for them muslim means something super.
I will appreciate you if you tell me that kafirs, paganas also fall into the category of universe opined by the prophet.
Quran has very carefully examined the existing ‘people of the book’ of arab land only. Is it false?
There is no proof that one's God is better or more powerful than the God of any other or any God is better than any idol. The truth is that any God cannot do what an idol cannot do. There is no proof either that one way of worship produces better results than any other way of worship.how can you prove you request is granted others prayers
are not accepted? is there any material proof? there is no proof youget
100% from one god others get nothing.
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There is no proof that one's God is better or more powerful than the God of any other or any God is better than any idol. The truth is that any God cannot do what an idol cannot do. There is no proof either that one way of worship produces better results than any other way of worship.
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Previous nations have witnessed what a God can do and what idols are unable to do. But of course you'll have to be a Jewish, Christian or Muslim to believe in that, as Moses and his followers crossed river Nile, the river split into two for them and when Pharoah's tried crossing that river combined into one and all of them (Pharoah and his army) drowned. There are many other examples where God has shown His power, but you will only think of them as stories.
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Previous nations have witnessed what a God can do and what idols are unable to do. But of course you'll have to be a Jewish, Christian or Muslim to believe in that, as Moses and his followers crossed river Nile, the river split into two for them and when Pharoah's tried crossing that river combined into one and all of them (Pharoah and his army) drowned. There are many other examples where God has shown His power, but you will only think of them as stories.
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kaaba is stone too it is reveredbymuslims . who can denythere is no such thing kaaba stone? if there is no value whyit is kept there?
Black Stone, or the Kaaba stone, is set on the outside of one corner of the Kaaba is kissed by all pilgrims who can gain access to it. It is a dark, red brown, and now encased in a massive silver band. It is presumed to be of pre-Islamic origin, possibly meteoric. Myths claim that it fell from heaven, or perhaps that it was brought to earth by angels as a white stone in order to provide the cornerstone of the original Kaaba. It turned black by the impure touch of humans across the millennium. It is lovingly referred to as "the cornerstone of the House," or even the "right hand of God on earth." This stone was presented by Gabriel for the Kaaba and the people who worshipped within it. Muslims, in general, try to kiss, touch, or point to the Kaaba Stone, and often make circumbulations (tawaf) around it.
rvikz, tu kabhee nahi sudharne wala, naa samjhnay wala
Corner stone in Kaaba is not for "pujaa paat". It is not considered "GOD", or "part of God".
Now tell me how many times would you like to be told that? I can paste these above lines as many times so you don't have search, cut n paste about stone in Kaaba.
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rvikz, tu kabhee nahi sudharne wala, naa samjhnay wala
Corner stone in Kaaba is not for "pujaa paat". It is not considered "GOD", or "part of God".
Now tell me how many times would you like to be told that? I can paste these above lines as many times so you don't have search, cut n paste about stone in Kaaba.
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what direction you pray to? what happens if you prayin opposite direction? worl going to clollapse? i can doexacltly what youare not suppose to do nothing will happen.
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Many people here have been slamming Hindus as idolators etc, how many actually know anything about Hinduism?
All your comments are based on generalisations and flights of fantasy...
When people say Christian Nuns are raped by Hindus, well is that supposed to mean that it is a religious thing?
And the untouchablity part, well, if you say that many Hindus follow it and therefore it is a part of Hinduism, well by that same logic, since many people dont follow it now, has it been taken out of teh religion?
Or for example if you say that there are idols in temples, well that doesnt mean that they are worshipping the idols, they are worshipping God, represented by the idol, the same worship can and does happenwithout the idol too. There is no compulsion in going to the temple either.
For a change why dont you guys take a break from slamming Hindus and all other "low-class" kaffirs and try to find out a bit more with an open mind...
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so why worship cows, snakes, monkeys and rodents.
are they represting GOD too.
it doesn't make any sense.
and by the Muhammad Bin Kasim has a IDOL named after him too.
thats in Interior Sindh Pak.
there was a program in Discovery channel that showed
that British who conquerored India refused to go to temples
because of their horrible naked paintings. Yeah, in the beginning.
take care
This is the most half-baked nonsense I've read. Each muslim trying to prove himself/herself superior and each non muslim trying to provide a counter argument. Who the eff cares how one worships? Leave the damning to god, but no, some people are so supercilious they should be crowned prophets for their endless proselytizing!
The most dangerous people are those that are convinced they know God and his will. In fact they have his direct number and he has personally told them that he hates idolators. Yes, god must be capable of hate because his moral police on earth is capable of it. What pomposity!
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their horrible naked paintings. Yeah, in the beginning.
take care
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Some men find find it horrible, others find it beautiful, it takes all types in this world....
As for why muslims have to pray in the direction of the kaaba, well it is for the sake of uniformity, for a focal point. Even in mandirs everyone faces the statues and prays. Why don't we see people facing all directions? Because the statues are their focal point. As you people say the statues r symboliic of God, images of God hence ur praying before them. With us The Kaaba is the focal point. It would be pretty disorderly for 50 people praying in a mosque all in different directions. So God set the Kaaba as our direction of prayer. As for the black stone it is revered because it i believed to be from heaven. That is it's only significance and so people touch it or kiss it in reverence. We do not face the Kaaba because of the stone's presence.
It's ok to question things you do not know about another religion, but the way you people attack and compete is quite disheartening.
the kaaba is covered by a black sheet, its not a black stone… 
and i dont know of any black stone inside the kaaba… 
or is it that u religion experts still havent learnt any difference between the kaaba and hijr-e-aswad (which ofcourse has no significance in a muslim’s prayer or any other act of worship)…
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As for why muslims have to pray in the direction of the kaaba, well it is for the sake of uniformity, for a focal point. Even in mandirs everyone faces the statues and prays. Why don't we see people facing all directions? Because the statues are their focal point. As you people say the statues r symboliic of God, images of God hence ur praying before them. With us The Kaaba is the focal point. It would be pretty disorderly for 50 people praying in a mosque all in different directions. So God set the Kaaba as our direction of prayer. As for the black stone it is revered because it i believed to be from heaven. That is it's only significance and so people touch it or kiss it in reverence. We do not face the Kaaba because of the stone's presence.
It's ok to question things you do not know about another religion, but the way you people attack and compete is quite disheartening.
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whatdo youwant from kaaba that others want from their versionof kaaba?
even dictionarysays it is stone
Main Entry: Kaa·ba
Pronunciation: 'kä-b&
Function: noun
Etymology: Arabic ka’bah, literally, cubic building
Date: 1734
: a small stone building in the court of the Great Mosque at Mecca that contains a sacred black stone and is the goal of Islamic pilgrimage and the point toward which Muslims turn in praying
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As for why muslims have to pray in the direction of the kaaba, well it is for the sake of uniformity, for a focal point.<<<
Fem Baji, do you mean to say that if someone is praying alone in his or her living room, it will be OK for him/her to pray in any direction? Since no one is watching, and there’s no question about uniformity, etc.?
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No Mad uncle, I am saying the the initial purpose of setting Kaaba as the focal point was uniformity.
The black stone being spoken of is Hijra-e-aswad which is set in one of the walls of the Kaaba.
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whatdo youwant from kaaba that others want from their versionof kaaba?
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I didn't get you.