IDF soldier Kidnapped in Gaza

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When you lose a war and are STILL rewarded by the victors retreating and giving back the land and STILL have the audacity to keep bombing the winning state and kidnapping their soldiers, then what do you expect?

If Palestinians can't keep their militias from attacking another state they have to be prepared for the consequences. If militia groups in Mexico were lobbing missles into Texas unabated and uncontrolled by the Mexican government, the the US would take measures into their hands. So would any sovereign state with a superior military.

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You know, kidnapping a soldier for ransom, and firing hundreds of rockets each month into Isreal are both causes for war. My only wonder is what took the Israelis so long? They withdraw from Gaza 10 months ago. Does it buy them a little peace? No. Instead the land they gave up becomes launching pads for more attacks. Literally. Now we are all in a dither about "collective punishment". I haven't been able to find updated info, but as of 2004, over 4,500 rockets were fired into Israel. It is probably double that now.

Does 9,000 unguided missles consititute "collective punishment"? Does the "elected government" bear some responsibility for these acts of war? The bet of course was that Israel would do nothing, or would take small ineffective steps. Bad bet on the part of Hamas. Remarkably there has not been a single casualty in the Israeli assault. Lots of noise, a little destruction, and lots of pressure. When they decide to go into Gaza City, things will change, but to this point Hamas has had the opportunity to go swiftly up the learning curve on dealing with a more powerful opponent. Of course, they will let their tesicles do the talking, and a lot of people will die. But they have had a chance to make wise decisions, so far they have failed.

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nicely put...

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The irony. Zionists find it justifed to kill innumerous innocent civilians, men/women/children, to save one Zionist life. They are using the pretext of kidnapped soldier, while using this opportunity to give collective punishment to Palestinian population in general.
Due to this newest Israeli offensive, Gaza is out of electricity and bridges and other infrastructure is destroyed.

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=2&article_id=73574

An Israeli missile took out a crucial power station late Tuesday. In Rafah, which relied on the destroyed power plant for half of its daily energy needs, residents are now left without power much of the day.

Amnesty International warned that Israel’s destruction of three bridges and electricity networks across the Gaza Strip had “left half the population of Gaza without electricity and reportedly also adversely affected the supply of water.”

“It’s six hours on and six hours off,” says Dawoud al-Hamarna, a maintenance chief at the local electric company.

Even that is a generous estimate. Rafah was left in darkness throughout Wednesday night. Residents estimated that lights had been on for only six hours out of the past 24.

If Israel, Gaza’s lone outside power supplier, acts on threats to cut off the supply, those few precious hours of daily electricity will soon disappear as well.

“Without power, Rafah will die,” warns Sami Sagher, manager of Rafah’s water network.

The local water company depends on electricity to pump water to homes and businesses. Now, he says, the water supply has been reduced by 50 percent.

All border crossings in and out of Gaza have been shut. With gas stations predicting petrol supplies would run out by sundown Thursday, companies relying on generators would soon be out of luck as well.

Hana Sagher sits at the entrance to her family’s rented single-story home, washing clothes by hand. “Meats, fruits, and everything else that has to be kept in the refrigerator has gone rotten,” she says.

Her wide, angry eyes punctuate her chronicle of the hardships she has suffered at the hands of Israel. Her family owned a simple home near Gaza’s border with Egypt, but in 2004 the Israelis bulldozed it, along with dozens of others, as part of “security” measures.

“I wish we would kidnap five more soldiers,” she says, spitting at suggestions that the Palestinian militants holding the soldier are responsible for her suffering. "It is not a problem if I have to suffer more. We suffer so the next generation can live better.

“We have 10,000 prisoners in Israeli jails. They come and kill whole families on our beaches,” Sagher says, referring to a family of picnickers who were killed by an Israeli artillery shell earlier this month.

ZIONISTS WILL PAY FOR EVERY CRIME THEY ARE COMMITTING AGAINST MUSLIMS.

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If Hamas stops launching rockets at Israel, stops attacking Israeli civilians and soldiers, and removes from its pledge to destroy Israel.

So Israel is suppose to make peace with Hamas when Hamas wants to destroy Israel.

Maybe thats how you think Prince Abbas but sane people find that ridicilous.

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Sane people also find it ridiculous that Innocent women and children are killed by these brave soldiers to make a point. Frankly there is no difference between Hamas and Israeli IDF, both are terrorists.

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Is defending your country, people and existence equal to 'making a point'?

The difference is that Hamas targets civilians and then hides like cowarads amongst their own civilians so they can't be targeted. Innocents are killed because of it. Sane people find *that *ridiculous.

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*Freeing a captured soldier is the pretext. The operation is really collective punishment for the Palestians voting for Hamas. This is the ugly side of what Israel has become, a militarised whining bully that fails to see the short sightness of its own actions. *

The world's media allows Israel to call the Palestinian resistance 'terrorists', and nobody seems to be prepared to hold Israel to account for its repeated UN resolutions violations.

The Israelis use every chance they get to scuttle any peace hopes that may exist. The next step after much destruction and killing will be a period of occupation and annexation of a strip of Gaza all in the name of "security". The rest of the world must wake up to the fact that one day the Middle East will explode in confrontation sucking in all of us!

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then what is the point in bombardments of civilians areas?

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The difference is that Hamas targets civilians and then hides like cowarads amongst their own civilians so they can't be targeted. Innocents are killed because of it. Sane people find *that *ridiculous.
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May be you should allow those "cowards" to buy fighter planes, tanks, anti-tanks etc then perhaps they will be able to "match".

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Better question- what's the point in hiding in civilian areas?

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May be you should allow those "cowards" to buy fighter planes, tanks, anti-tanks etc then perhaps they will be able to "match".
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Buy? With what?

Since when does a government 'allow' their adversaries to "match" their military capabilities?

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The point in hiding is, if you don't have what it takes to counter the counter then you do what they did.

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Buy? With what?
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Buy with what Israel did :)

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Since when does a government 'allow' their adversaries to "match" their military capabilities?
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I am not talking about Israel allowing Palestinians to buy, but rest of the "world".

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Are you saying that Zionists and Hamas are both terrorists?
or are you saying that both Zionists and Hamas are doing the right thing?

How can you try to justify your terrorism by citing examples from an organization you call ‘terrorist’?

The one who is detroying is Israeli terrorism, destroying Palestinian life in occupied terroritories.

Sane people, even if Jew, consider Israeli actions terrorism

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Do you think this justification is enough for Israeli terrorism in Palestine?

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Ahem, despite the histrionics, I have not seen a single report of a single civilian death as a result of the Israeli action. And, why does no one consider 9,000 rockets launched into Israeli towns a collective punishment?

Let's face it, the Palestinians were asking for this. They wanted a confrontation. Let's not have big weepy crocodile tears when Hamas gets precisely what they wanted, and what they deserve.

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No, the point is, if you don't have what it takes, then don' provoke. Don't be a wuss and go hide amongst women and children.

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Buy with what Israel did :)
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By all means. Find someone who will support your worthy cause. Or pull yourself up, be successful. Make some money. Be smart. Make wise decisions. Show some hard work and ingenuity. Whatever. Do it. What they are doing is not working and very counter productive.

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They have been turned into that because of sanctions against them, you just want to cut someone’s food short and then claim if you are starving then don’t fight :clap:

Sure, just check with your Zionist senator if its okay with them if Pakistan gives nukes to Palestinians :hehe:

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You have put Iraq’s ex-information minister to shame :hehe:

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Dear Captain,

Please find and post any reports of casualties as a result of this incursion into Gaza. The only report I have found is of a five year old girl lightly wounded in the bombing of the Interior Ministry building. Bear in mind, that should they have wanted to, half of Gaza would have been dead by now. This has been a remarkably restrained action, designed to shock and humiliate, not kill.

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OhioGuy and Mercenary2k:

For Palestinians who don't have money to pay salaries or any industrial infrastructure, they can make missles and rockets. So they probably launch them using olive oil and send date and fig payloads on them. I think all these news articles really do shrink the IQ of humans ...

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Whatever the reason. Don’t pick a fight with the bully and then cry when the bully knocks on your door while you hide under your woman’s skirt. :blush:

Pakistan has handed out enough nukes already, no thanks. :jhanda: But maybe they can provide them food so they won’t be starving. :confused:

Wow, these smilies really do make the posts so much more effective and witty. :hehe: