Re: I won, says rape victim
2 cases and you have the whole culture/Pakistani civilisation in trash 
bravo bravo. okay may be there are 100 more which are unreported, if it were really âcultureâ of âdictating assault on womenâ then how come millions of women are not assaulted yet? so you really do need take your head out of naddi/naala.
Re: I won, says rape victim
Captain, those were two names that came to my mind at the moment. How do you know how many women really are assaulted? You really think just because the statistics for rape are low in some countries (not talking JUST about Pakistan now), that rape and abuse doesnt happen? No, its because in those cultures it goes vastly unreported.
Icono, you and I are agreeing that in some societies, criminals get away with their crimes. I never said it was Pakistani culture alone, i know theres others that have the same problems. And, I do happen to know the opinions of my family members, most of whom are highly educated, on matters like these..
Re: I won, says rape victim
Women on this forum are sooo much against Pakistani culture and treatment of woman in Pakistan. What about the west and India- woman show their face on TV, screen and their body etc. ? Is it not prostituition? Meeting with guys before marriage and flirting with many men? If I were to become President of Pakistan, I will implement sharia for sure...
Re: I won, says rape victim
Funny how everything is turned into a comparison with the west.
"If ours is bad, that's okay because it's bad in the west too"
Re: I won, says rape victim
What about the west and India- woman show their face on TV, screen and their body etc. ? Is it not prostituition? << No that is not prostitution? It is crass at times, but please understand difference between sex, and sensuality, between nudity and art, as well between freedom and imposition?>>
Meeting with guys before marriage and flirting with many men? If I were to become President of Pakistan, I will implement sharia for sure...
<< Your thought process has already succecceded in many a countries, please keep following ,though many in this forum may differ with your interpretation of Sharia>>
Re: I won, says rape victim
Sara, read my posts again, I didn't suggest that rapes don't occur in Pakistan, Pakistan is no angel country. Rape happens in all countries/areas of the world, but to say that it is dictated by culture is just plain idiotic.
Re: I won, says rape victim
Rape isnt dictated by culture, fine.. Tell me, what would you call it when a culture criminalizes its victims? That any woman who dares to stand up and say "I was raped" is made to feel guilty, ashamed, and is called names such as whore, traitor, etc? That she's better of dead because of the shame she's brought her family and the life that's ruined? Thas an emotional rape, and an emotional death is far worse than any physical death..
Re: I won, says rape victim
And you of course are in the know....
Re: I won, says rape victim
^
Uhhh Kaleem her point is that we don't have a number because they go unreported and then she gives reasons why. Try to keep up.
Re: I won, says rape victim
Kaleem: Many rapes go unreported, because of the stigma attached to it, cultural and otherwise. Whatever statistics you recieve on rape victims, or any crime for that matter (in any country), always assume the number is higher simply because it's not reported, for wahtever reasons.
Re: I won, says rape victim
errr...UTD, its not the point she is making that I have a problem with, its the manner its put forward that is egregious. I take offense to generalization of the very culture that I came from. I particularly do not like it when whole society is lumped into one category.
Of course rape is a problem in Pakistani society as well as over here in US. So according to the Sara we should cast all of the frat boys as "date rapist" who go around slipping a pill in the drinks of the girls and take turns pleasuring themselves. Do you want me to go on........
Re: I won, says rape victim
Does she bring up a valid point that rape victims in Pakistan are often not treated as they should be? That they are made to feel guilty or ashame or is what she saying hogwash?
Re: I won, says rape victim
Fratboys is my culture? 
If you feel college rapes is a subject to open a thread on, go ahead, I can provide you with several articles on tht as well. But it gets quite annoying and purposeless when the only defense ppl have is âwell the [west/pakistan/Muslims] is/are just as badâ and canât admit the problems in their own society. This isnât abt all of pakistan and its weaknesses and strengths, its about one particular problem..
Re: I won, says rape victim
Finally phew
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Tell me, what would you call it when a culture criminalizes its victims?That any woman who dares to stand up and say "I was raped" is made to feel guilty, ashamed,
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Have you attended rape cases in courts? Just curious, let me know if you have and how the proceedins are done, thanks until then.
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and is called names such as whore, traitor, etc?
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Hayn? When did this happen? I know there are idiots all around the world but a rape victim can't be called any of those words.
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That she's better of dead because of the shame she's brought her family and the life that's ruined? Thas an emotional rape, and an emotional death is far worse than any physical death..
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Again, you are going overboard. There is a great deal of difference between "culturally dictated rape/assault" and "not protected socially/culturall in aftermath of rape". Do you understand that difference?
Re: I won, says rape victim
Thats true not just for Pakistani society, its a global problem, so why just call Pakistan's culture as "dictating rape/assault"?
Re: I won, says rape victim
I admitted it already that culture dint dictate rape but rather Pakistani society does score low when it comes to protecting their victims afterwards, so can we get off that now? Ive been really careful when posting here, Ive said it a few times that other countries/cultures are included. So why do we keep repeating each other?
Re: I won, says rape victim
^ after admitting you still kept on .....:
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That any woman who dares to stand up and say "I was raped" is made to feel guilty, ashamed, and is called names such as whore, traitor, etc? That she's better of dead because of the shame she's brought her family and the life that's ruined? Thas an emotional rape, and an emotional death is far worse than any physical death..
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which means that you still blame Pakistani society/culture to be the real reason behind it all. Yes I agree that Pakistan society is not doing much to protect afterwards. But then you and I will talk here all and then log off, eat drink sleep. Problem solved? NO.
Re: I won, says rape victim
As for your other point, âa rape victim cannot be called any of those wordsâ: Iâve heard plenty of comments regarding claims of rape/assault, tht she was lying, pehle se badmaash thi, etc.. Iâve heard htem with my own eyes and ears, now im sorry I cantâ provide you with actual quotes or soundbites but I am taking things from real life xperiences, not just imagined situations..
Re: I won, says rape victim
WHere in your second quote did I mention Pakistan at all? I'm not gonna say it again.. Maybe becoz I happened to mention two cases that came to my mind tht just happened to be Pakistani, maybe thats because I keep up on Pakistani news, rather than what goes on in China or Africa, coz Pakistan is where I'm from n I'd rather know about its society and culture than Serbian or Venezuelan culture.. Okay now Im rambling on and on, its 3 AM, i think ill stop arguing for now :)
Re: I won, says rape victim
^ one doesn't have to use the word "Pakistan", read the overall sentence and combine with previous paragraphs, do you reall mean that it wasn't for just Pakistan? :)