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How could you coronate even Mr.Akram Lahori? 
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Alrihght!
The purpose of this thread is to show that ‘terrorism’ is NOT the main issue of Pakistan or its people at large.
It never was.
People from outside will continue to use Pakistani people’s sentiments and it army and resources until one by one Pakistanis start thinking of their interests, not outsiders interests.
Pakistanis have no threat from Islam, it is people from outside or those who are bought by outsiders do.
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In essence:
Pakistanis still suffer from a lot of other issues and Pakistan will never progress beyond being a third world country until Pakistan and Pakistanis start thinking for themselves and not for outsiders and their interests.**
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Did you see me coronate anyone?
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When you asked if there is any evidence of Mr.Fazalullah,Mr.Lahori and other’s killing of others.
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what if I told you that we call them ‘terrorists’?
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No one is stopping you from raising those issues. I am sure PA will welcome your threads and insights on those issues since we rarely see you contributing there.
Meanwhile, Pakistanis would continue discussing things that are urgent and important to us.
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Dear brother diwana,noone here is accusing Pakistan of a terrorist nation but Pakistan has a large number of terrorists and terror groups are operating out of it’s soil.This is a fact and nobody can ridicule this fact.A much of this terror issue owes to the policies adopted by various administrations from time to time and Pakistan is paying a price for it now.This terrorism apart from killing ordinary Pakistanis and others,is also causing a great damage to properties aswell and it puts the government in a financial quagmire.
Pakistan was ahead of India in G.D.P growth and even in technological arena till 1990's and after that India changes it's gears and is much ahead of Pakistan.Pakistan on the other hand held itself in the aftermath of Soviet pull out from Afghanistan and then played with Taliban and also engaged in a costly game in Kashmir.
Terrorism is the biggest issue Pakistan is facing today .Yes,ofcourse other issues are there but Pakistan first has to solve this menace first.
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And that is same as coronation?
Are you out of your mind or just acting like one?
Try not to be smart here. The question of them NOT being Muslim was wrong when it was clearly stated before that those who kill innocents and civilians are NOT Muslims.
Naturally the question would be if these people were actually observed like it is seen on internet pictures or videos showing them to kill innocent civilians.
Let’s talk about specifics. Shall we?
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So why is that this thread being opposed by you when you are completely aware of vast majority of talk even in PA is based on this terrorist-Mania and someone like me is pointing it out rightfully?
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I need to be extra smart with you now.I am flabbergasted at your fascination for these people.Do you even know that Mr.Fazalullah has been branded as a global terrorist by U.S now? Watch your posts,Bro.C.I.A will be right after you.
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I stopped reading after the red part. 
I just did by laughing hard on it.
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Yes.Laughing is a good medicine.
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The question was if he is a Muslim.
Simple answer was if he was seen killing any innocent?
No answer yet.
**The definition of someone NOT being Muslim is:
Someone killing non-combatant, civilian person or persons is NOT.**
Anyone else cannot be claimed either Muslim or NOT.
Clear enough?
Your other part of post is being ignored since you are deliberately trying to win an argument showing your fake concern which does not even has any connection to the discussion at hand.
Which is… Who is Muslim and who is not!
Thank you. 
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Sudhar jao diwana Brother.Sudhar jao.
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Because my opinion is different.
I think that thousands of dead civilians and attacks on schools and mosques is a much more important issue than anything else we are facing today. It doesn’t matter which religion these terrorist subscribe to or which country they come from.
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For diwana brother,world’s capital lies in Raqqa. 
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Simple question:
**Do you agree one can say who is NOT Muslim a lot more confidently than one can say who IS really Muslim?
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Right? 
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There has never been any denial from me for the importance of people getting killed unjustly.
Hope and Pray that no one loses his/her life for being completely innocent and not even doing any wrongful deed like those children lost.
But this should not in any ways overshadow the problems of still a large majority of Pakistanis and their day to day problems which is being ignored by people and the Govt.
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Diwana is right, people who believe in committing atrocities under the banner of “jihad” and misuse the right to a jihad to wage violence to further their political agendas (jihad is a right reserved for near genocidal conditions when all other methods to keep peace have failed - ex. Jewish victims of the Holocaust had a right to “jihad”) are not muslim.
Problem is we dont have a central service/pope/church/mosque that would excommunicate them. Individual countries should prosecute these people, but terrorist cells are networked secretly and it’s hard to catch these guys, plain and simple. They’re criminals.
Just like if a muslim guy robs a bank in Pakistan - can we say he’s not muslim? Do we excommunicate him? No, he goes to a trial and gets a punishment. Or his case sits there and rots, because the Pakistani judiciary is total ****.
Likewise, a terrorist is a criminal. Calling him muslim or not, is irrelevant. A schizophrenic can stand on a box and say he has communicated with Allah and Allah has told him to go to war, and do we say he’s not muslim? No, he gets admitted to a hospital, gets medications, and is put in a nursing home for the mentally ill.
So what do we do with terrorists? The difference is, terrorist has ammo. And a network. That will come after you, if you come after them. So, it’s not an easy task catching these guys. But they’re not commiting Islamic acts, they’re commiting UNISLAMIC acts, and calling them muslims is just semantics really. They don’t represent the muslim people of the world.
Muslims have muslim countries. We are not persecuted by the world. No one is trying to kill us off. Aside from the recent bosnia disaster, there are no genocides (well apart from Gaza), but the rest of the muslim countries should be safe for muslims.
IF they’re not it’s because muslims have made it hell for other muslims with their corruption. And throwing bombs wont fix that, only working with the system, and ammending it, will help.
Like I said, the current “jihadi” mindset makes no sense. Muslims trying to…convert other muslims to being muslim? What?
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What is Raqqa?
Oh! You are trying hard to connect me to terrorists. Just googled it.
Sudhar jaao Arleitter, Sudhar jaao!
Don’t be so desperate!
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These terrorists are not real muslims. They can call themselves monkeys if they want, doesn’t make them monkeys. They can call themselves cows, they’re not cows. They’re retarded misguided, misled, miseducated, angry, emotional, stupid people who don’t know how to keep their balls in check when something inflammatory about the religion is floated around. Instead of ignoring and moving along, and shaking it off, they react. History of Islam tells us otherwise. No proper muslim who has read the Quran would be so quick to kill.
So they’re not muslim. They call themselves muslim. And each person will say “they are muslim” or “they are not muslim”. But Allah will decide if they’re really muslim or not anyway, and my hunch is, for killing like this, they’re going to hell. :k: