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Okay, so I am involved in social work-type stuff, and I got a call today from a Pakistani lady who is

-7 months pregnant
-has one 6 year old child
-husband is not home - she said to me he left her because he couldn’t handle having another kid
-has little money to make this next month’s rent
-is looking for employment, but is not qualified to do much education-wise, and she’s not in such a great physical condition either to do what work she is able to do (basically manual labor).
-was employed by a dry cleaner guy (desi), whom she refers to as “mullah” - she claims he didnt let her use the bathroom and restricted her a lot - and also was rude when he would speak to her. So she left.
-she’s trying to find people who will let her be their maid.

Okay, so naturally, I got a bit emotional about this - I haven’t actually dealt with these sort of cases in the community. Incidentally she lives near the masjid I go to - so I referred her to try that masjid to get some monetary help. I also gave her whatever resources I had from the place I work at. I also gave her some names of people to speak to at the masjid that do a lot of community service for the muslim population. She claims she doesn’t know any of these people. So when she asked how she’ll recognize any of the, me being the smartarse I am said that I’ll be there and that she can look for me, and I’ll introduce her to these people.

So I get home and I tell my 'rents about it. They make some calls to their friends who live in the area - we know a guy who runs a dry cleaning place in her area, so we called his family. He says he knows them, and that the couple has been fighting for a while now.

His story: :smiley:

-husband did not run away, but was asked to leave by the wife - she threatened to call the cops on him

-she’s “gandhi” - i.e. she doesn’t clean well and her apartment is always a mess. Like I mean, dudes, I’ve been to some lower income homes when doing social work-type activities - and we’re talking flies all over the place, septic tanks that don’t work - garbage lying around that isn’t taken out regularly - generally very unhygeinic practices.

-this is his second wife - like literally registered by the USA - and he’s got another wife in Pakistan. He married the second time because he didn’t want to cheat on his first wife, and he wanted to be able to satisfy himself in a “halaal” way.

-they argue all the time, and this family friend of ours has sat down with them numerous times to get them to resolve their issues.

-she’s very rude and uncouth, and that the husband is bezaar and doesn’t know what to do anymore with her.

Now, given this new information I have of her, and given the fact that I’m trying to be objective here, and given the warnings I’ve gotten from my family friends who have told me that they’ve helped numerous people in such situations and they found out later they were all scams to get money…

I don’t really know what to do anymore. And I don’t want many people getting up in this lady’s business, because she called my workplace and I really should be keeping what she has said to me in confidence…although I already crossed that line earlier today. :frowning:

It looks like things go a lot deeper than I thought, and now I don’t know if I should really help out as much, because it looks like she has the ability to help herself out. I am going to show up at the masjid, because I did ask her to meet me there so I can talk to her in person. I don’t know if she’ll show up, and I dont know what I really should offer her in terms of services…

I don’t know if it would be okay to provide her some finances with which she can pay her bills. I don’t know if I should ask my family friends not to meddle in the situation, since things can get out of hand really easily.

But at the same time, I want her to have a safe delivery as well. I want to make sure she’s eating the right things, and that she knows where to go for her delivery.

Ackh - help - tell me some points that I may not be seeing right now being inside the situation that I am?

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try not to get too many other desis involved.. as in dont talk about her personal life with too many other people. Cus, she can accuse u of spreading rumours and im affraid.. even when uve got her best interest at heart.. she wont see it.

My advice would be to not get too involved in this situation. I know its hard... trust me, ive been in a similar situation a few years ago, and its not worth it in the end.

Provide her with some references and places she can turn to for help.. especially in terms of the new baby. But, make sure you take care of urself as well.. dont get urself into a sticky situation... yeah?

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contact some american organizations. Masjids and other desi community crap won't work. They would be too busy trying to find who's to blame rather than genuinely trying to resolve this situation. Normally my advice would be to not get involved, but there is a unborn child involved. Not doing something will be catastrophic.

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you are awesome pcg. keep it up. just curious how do u get to help out?

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Stay out of it. This is a mess that could blow up in your face and people will end up blaming you. Two married people are to handle their own matters, unless he abuses her. Until then it is their domestic dispute - stay out of it.,

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hi pcg. i'm new here...don't let that set any sort of alarm
i read ur post and wanted to give u my 2 cents...for various reasons. first, i've been envolved in numerous social work related volunteer opportunities and have ran into this type of situation. i've done work from local shelter to the UN and at first took alot of the work straight to heart-especially paki's...and wanted to drop everything and help this woman and that child. but i'll tell u... first be very proud of the work u do..and second to learn to "depersonalize". there is something called the embedding of power relations... in the conduct of social work with... "your" community (be it gender, religion, ethnicity, etc.. wot this means is that u need to be very professional with how u treat and approach this case/lady and not look at her as someone u can take home and get the entire khandaan involved. and i know this is "emotion work".Sometimes..especially with desi cases...leads to really very complex results. i understand ur stand on helping her ..but trust me it's best to keep it professional and the advice/assistance that shelter/ngo...wateva u work for is better fit than urself. half of the time ppl are not telling u the truth and this will create complexities beyond ur control...which is very difficult to handle and will leave an even more ackward stance at ur workplace for u.

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:(

I've been thinking of it all night long. The dry-cleaner wala uncle we spoke to (who is somewhat of an aalim and very involved in community affairs on the side as his service work) told us that since the girl is shia, he'll go to the shia mosque and talk to those guys (who are also family friends actually) to see if she's been there to ask for money. They want to make sure she's not scamming people for money.

I doubt she's been to any mosque, because when I raised that as an option to her, she responded as if she hadn't ever thought about that as an option...kinda like I almost felt the wheels in her brain were turning...

Apparently, these family friends who are involved in the community have told us that there have been a lot of new immigrant families who scam masjids and the community by asking for donations...

What they do is they get their wife to pretend like she's been abused and the guy ran off...and meanwhile, the money is being pocketed, and the husband is at home the whole time.

So they want to make sure this is no similar scam. But my fear is that they'll raise my name, and then she'll know that I was the one getting these people involved. I just actually wanted to find her to pinpoint her, since I never got her phone number when I talked to her. My mistake - if I did, it wouldn't have meant involving anyone else. I was afraid that she might not be able to make it to the masjid on Friday, since she's relying on a friend to drive her around. Or she might not want to ask desis for help, since desis can be nosy.

So, I've contacted Mr. Maulvi-dry-cleaner sahab to talk to him directly myself (my father spoke to him the first time) to tell him that I don't want him finding out any information about her or doing anything on my behalf. If he wants to talk to them, since he talks to the husband on a regular basis anyway, then he can do it from his side. But I don't want them mentioning me.

Then I'll go to the masjid on Friday as I will do that anyway. If she comes there, I'll introduce her to the Imam of the Masjid and then provide her with some more community references she can go to for financial help (naturally, they're state-run or private non-Muslim organizations). I was actually ready to give her some of my own money, but I don't think that's a good idea. If she gets dependent, things can get sticky. I'll just pull some of my counseling skills - i.e. let her figure out what she needs to do by asking her the right questions.

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Can someone ask Mullah Drycleaner why he wouldn't allow the lady worker use bathroom? That is a violation of workers laws and it needs to be reported. He can then be given an option of helping out the lady financially if he wants to avoid any legal proceedings.

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best of luK !!

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Best Advice!

(in almost every aspect of life)

PCG also pat yourself on the back and get out while you can :slight_smile:

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FG, how do you know she is not making all of this up?

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^ Well but that’s the thing. Sure, I should keep my distance in this case. But if her husband has gotten fed up and left her, isn’t the muslim community to some effect morally responsible to help this woman out when she’s asking for help?

Like who really, in the religious community, should I be sending her to? I suppose the Imam is the best person to take her to - in that way, he can use masjid funds to help her and announce her situation, with her permission, to the whole masjid, and then whoever wants to give her a donation can help her out.

But I was really thinking - these ladies really can find themselves in unfortunate circumstances since they don’t know their legal rights, and they don’t have access to good medical care since htey can’t afford it.

Shouldn’t our muslim communities have organizations run formally that can help these people out? That can do a formal investigation to make sure its not a scam, and then be able to provide referrals to muslim professionals who are willing to handle the cases on a legal/medical, etc level as part of their community service to their muslim communitites?

Every masjid should have a darn marriage counselor too :mad:

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Kaleem, no doubt about it. Imaan se, I've been tricked by so many schizophrenics - they are sooooooo good at lying and making up a fictitious scenario and BAM I just fall for it! Like 40 minutes into a conversation with them, I'll realize they're making things up.

She could have a mental illness. She sounded a bit off...

I just figured it was the hormones she's hyped up on.

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you can try helping her financially and ask people to help her financially but rpoblems she would have to sort out her relationships problems herself. if that man is incompetent, it's her own fault cz she married him. but if that man is right to say that she is incompetent then it is entirely her own problem and has to work on it herself.

but when you say, "She could have a mental illness. She sounded a bit off..." she should be treated better.

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The woman called you because she needed help. so help her
why make judgements based on local gossip.... its not your job to

there are quite a few few people who either post on this forum or visit and take a look at the threads who do councelling or various types of therapy.
the idea that you can just post bits about somebody's life.... people who are vulnerable and called you because they need help is horrifying to me.

From your comments above, I think you need to stop this concelling advice service you provide

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PCG, I didn't read the replies, but is it a part of your job to judge this females story as well? You can not cross-check her story unless that is part of your job. You have her case so you should only concentrate on her problem, whatever issue she has with her husband is no one else's business until she as asks for your advice in that regard as well. You can discuss her husband when he approaches you with his problems.

Isn't this a state owned welfare kind of service? Why involve family friends / Muslim community in till she asks you to? Are you even allowed to do this? You'll see a lot worse, if you choose to stay is this business, involving others can be dangerous for your client if his/her spouse is violent or gets a flip. When I'm involved in such cases, I don't even allow a Pakistani translator let alone discussing with anyone.

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^ True. I did wrong by even discussing it with the 'rents.

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i am having a premonition…the next few days are going to be funnnnnn…:devil:

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try not too get involved directly, be a help to provide with contacts, organisations that help people in this situation, dont just rely on Mosques and desis. their must be some organisations that can help her in this situation. right or worng she needs help.

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PCG-This is too hard. I've tried to help some Desi's in the past-but just got my fingers burnt.