wow I DOUBT tht SHER IS HT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he is something else.......
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There are alot of non-muslims scholars, scientists and professors who have spent years studying the Qur'an and then eventually accepting it as the true word of God. This has been happening for the last 14 centuries.
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exactly my point...if sher really have doubts then inspite of reading our posts,he can to numerous sites where non muslim scholars r accepting every word of quran..may ALLAH put us on right path
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It's like going for a job interview.
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In case you didnt realise it wasnt meant for you. And you dont have to worry what it is 'like'.
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I hear you brother.
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No wonder you were the first one to make a post.
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Just put a Qur'an and the 6 most popular books of the Hadiths infront of you.
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'Just'
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He doesn't want to learn, if he did, he would ask not argue.
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May be he does. May be this is his way of learning. Besides how can you be so sure about his intentions. Surely Allah [swt] knows them best.
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No, No, I have alot of respect for my wise brother.
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Who told you I'm wise? You might be msitaken, my friend.
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There are alot of other dispicable words in the dictionary. But it doesn't mean, if they appear in the dictionary it's ok for them to be used inappropriately.
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1Suggest a nick for me?
2Point out the inappropriate use of the words I'm using?
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You'll have to do something abou that.
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: ). Thank you for showing concern. What if I dont do s'thing about it?
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If you know when a mistake is a mistake then maybe you should try to fix it
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Look who is talking. Thank you for the suggestion anyway. I'll try to remember.
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It's a distraction though.
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I'm sorry but cant help you with it.
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Yes. A good name brings good intentions. Prophet Muhammed (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) in the Hadiths said, when the soul is taken to the first Heaven from the body in the grave, the Angels on the way greet him by all the good names he was called with while alive. (Book - What Happens After Death)
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1 I've already told everyone I'm a slow learner and make careless mistakes, the word stupid and the word idiot mean s'one who is a slow learner and makes careless mistakes.
2The book you are quoting I dont believ in it.
3Can you justify your nick as being a 'good' nick.
First of all,, I was away to Amsterdam for the weekend beer festival and did not run away as you migt have thought. I would like to point out things that confuse me a lot.
One of many things which confuse me.........
In many places, the Qur'an mentions Mary as the sister of Moses and Aaron and the daughter of Imran. The Qur'an has confused Jesus' mother with Aaron's sister because both of them carry the same name, though there are several centuries between them. The Qur'an indicates that Mary (Christ's mother) had a brother whose name was Aaron (chapter 19:28) and a father whose name is Imran (chapter 66:12). Their mother was called "the wife of Imran" (chapter 3:35) which eliminates any doubt that it confuses Mary, mother of Jesus, with Mary, sister of Aaron.
The contemporary scholar who translated the Qur'an which was authorized by the Saudi authorities said (in the introduction of page 47 of chapter of the Family of Imran),
"Al Imran takes its title from v. 32, where the family of Imran' (the father of Moses) occurs as a generic name for all the Hebrew prophets from Moses to John the Baptist and Jesus Christ. This with the mention of the mother of Mary asthe wife of Imran' (v. 34) and the words sister of Aaron' addressed to Mary (XIX.28) have given rise to a charge of anachronism. Some say that the prophet confused Mary, the mother of Jesus, with Mary, the sister of Moses. Most Muslims believe (on the authority of the Qur'an) that the grandfather of Jesus Christ was namedImran' which may also have been the name of the father of Moses. In Surah XIX 28 where Mary is addressed as `sister of Aaron', they hold the ancestral sense to be the more probable, while denying that there is any reason to suppose that the virgin Mary had not a brother named Aaron."
Thus, they fail to explain to us why the Qur'an said that the mother of Mary was the wife of Imran, especially if the Qur'an intended (as they say) to show the moral relationship only. It is an obvious historical mistake, Well, StupidIdiot, that is because Mary had no brother named Aaron.
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In several verses the Qur’an indicates that it was revealed in the Arabic tongue; that is, in the Arabic language (refer to 14:4; 29:192-195; 13:37; 42 7; 39:28, and 43:3). Yet, in at least two plain verses, the Qur’an commands the deletion of any dialect other than the Arabic language in the Qur’anic text (16:103; 41:44). In his book, "The Itqan" (part 2, p. 105), the Suyuti tells us that many scholars (among them the Shafi’i, ibn Jarir al-Tabari) Their claim is based on these verses. In his book, "al-Risala", edited by Ahmad Shakir (p. 41), the Shafi’i says,
"It is said, ‘What is the proof that the Book of God is in the Arabic language without being mixed with any (foreign words)?’ The proof is the Book of God itself."
Then the Shafi’i quoted the above mentioned verses (16:103 and 41:44). The Shafi’i want to defend these verses but he is not able to ignore the facts which all Muslim scholars verify along with the companions and the legists such as ibn ’Abbas, Mujahid, ibn Jubayr, ’Akrama, and ’Ata. Also included in this group is the Suyuti as well as other scholars like Dr. Muhammad Rajab who expressed his views in "Solidarity" (al-Tadamun) magazine (April, 1989 issue). In his book, "The Itqan" (part 2, pp. 108-119), the Suyuti lists 118 non-Arabic words recorded in the Qur’an. Ibn ’Abbas, himself (along with other great Companions) asserts that some Qur’anic words are Persian, Ethiopian and Nabatean (p. 105). Dr. Bayyumi also confirms the Suyuti’s opinions and views. Faced with these contradictions what does the Suyuti say to justify them? He says in p. 106,
"The existence of a few non-Arabic words does not make the Qur’an non-Arabic as the verses indicate."
And I would say to Suyuti: "I know that the Qur’an is an Arabic book, but the Qur’an denies that it contains non-Arabic words (refer to verses 16:103; 41:44). It is obvious that this is a contradiction, especially since there are about 118 non-Arabic words—not just five or ten words. The simple explanation for this contradiction is that Muhammad himself did not know that the origin of the words he employed in the Qur’an were non-Arabic. He was not aware that some of them were Persian, Ethiopian, Berber, Turkish and Nabatean; thus, he claimed that the entire Qur’an was revealed in pure Arabic language!
In his book, "The History of Islamic Law" (p. 115), Dr. Shalabi states,
"The abrogation is to rescind something and replace it with something else, as ibn Hazm said. Muslims in general have consented that abrogation has taken place in the Qur’an as it is clearly indicated in the sound verses."
This statement means that Muhammad was accustomed to stating something to his followers with the claim that it was revealed to him through the angel Gabriel, then later (maybe after a few hours), he would tell them that God had invalidated it. Thus the infidels used to say, "Muhammad utters something today and abolishes it tomorrow" (refer to Zamakh-shari, part I, p. 303).
In Asbab al-Nuzul, p. 19, the Suyuti says that,
"Ibn ’Abbas himself said, ‘Sometimes the revelation used to descend on the prophet during the night and then he forgot it during daytime, thus God sent down this verse: 2:106."
Is it acceptable or sensible to think that God changes His mind during the night? Ibn ’Abbas is not the only one who insists on that because ibn ’Umar says,
"Two men read a Sura which the apostle of God had taught them, yet one night they rose up to pray but they failed to remember one word of it. The next morning, they went to the apostle of God and related it to him. He told them, ‘It is one of those, which have been abrogated, thus, forget about it.."’ (Refer to the Itqan, 3:74).
"Faith is deciding to allow yourself to believe something your intellect would otherwise cause you to reject -- otherwise there's no need for faith."
We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing, all-powerful God, who creates faulty humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes.
It is a common believe that the reason behind the concept of abrogation is that Muhammad intended to make the performing of the Islamic rites and worship easier on his followers and to obtain their approval and satisfaction with his teachings. If he decreed something which later seemed to be too difficult for them to implement and they remonstrated against it, he would "lighten" it immediately and claim that God had ordered him to rescind what he previously uttered, and all the verses he recited were replaced by new ones.
Whenever he forgot what he related to his followers, he spared himself the embarrassment by claiming that God had abrogated what he conveyed to them before. There is no doubt that Muhammad tended to forget. This is clear in the incidents recorded in the Sahih of the Bukhari, (part 3, p. 223, and part 8, p. 91). The Bukhari says,
"Aisha said, The prophet heard a man reciting in the mosque. He said, ‘May God have mercy on him, he has reminded me of such and such verses which I dropped from Sura so and so."’
Sher, isn't it a bit ironic for you to quote Sahih Bukhari to make your point across when you don't believe in the basics?.
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First of all,, I was away to Amsterdam for the weekend beer festival and did not run away as you migt have thought. I would like to point out things that confuse me a lot.
One of many things which confuse me.........
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I understand humans have problems and other priorities. I never thought you had 'ran away' or anything like that. Worst thing one can do is asume. Hope you had a nice time in Amsterdam. I have a passion of visting different places and observe various festivals and all. Never had enough money to do that though : )
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In many places, the Qur'an mentions Mary as the sister of Moses and Aaron and the daughter of Imran. The Qur'an has confused Jesus' mother with Aaron's sister because both of them carry the same name, though there are several centuries between them. The Qur'an indicates that Mary (Christ's mother) had a brother whose name was Aaron (chapter 19:28) and a father whose name is Imran (chapter 66:12). Their mother was called "the wife of Imran" (chapter 3:35) which eliminates any doubt that it confuses Mary, mother of Jesus, with Mary, sister of Aaron.
The contemporary scholar who translated the Qur'an which was authorized by the Saudi authorities said (in the introduction of page 47 of chapter of the Family of Imran),
"Al Imran takes its title from v. 32, where the family of Imran' (the father of Moses) occurs as a generic name for all the Hebrew prophets from Moses to John the Baptist and Jesus Christ. This with the mention of the mother of Mary asthe wife of Imran' (v. 34) and the words sister of Aaron' addressed to Mary (XIX.28) have given rise to a charge of anachronism. Some say that the prophet confused Mary, the mother of Jesus, with Mary, the sister of Moses. Most Muslims believe (on the authority of the Qur'an) that the grandfather of Jesus Christ was namedImran' which may also have been the name of the father of Moses. In Surah XIX 28 where Mary is addressed as `sister of Aaron', they hold the ancestral sense to be the more probable, while denying that there is any reason to suppose that the virgin Mary had not a brother named Aaron."
Thus, they fail to explain to us why the Qur'an said that the mother of Mary was the wife of Imran, especially if the Qur'an intended (as they say) to show the moral relationship only. It is an obvious historical mistake, Well, StupidIdiot, that is because Mary had no brother named Aaron.
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I'll reply to that soon, inshAllah, I need to do alot of reading for that. I mean you have quoted so many verses. I need to work on that. Hope you dont mind.
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In several verses the Qur’an indicates that it was revealed in the Arabic tongue; that is, in the Arabic language (refer to 14:4; 29:192-195; 13:37; 42 7; 39:28, and 43:3). Yet, in at least two plain verses, the Qur’an commands the deletion of any dialect other than the Arabic language in the Qur’anic text (16:103; 41:44). In his book, "The Itqan" (part 2, p. 105), the Suyuti tells us that many scholars (among them the Shafi’i, ibn Jarir al-Tabari) Their claim is based on these verses. In his book, "al-Risala", edited by Ahmad Shakir (p. 41), the Shafi’i says,
"It is said, ‘What is the proof that the Book of God is in the Arabic language without being mixed with any (foreign words)?’ The proof is the Book of God itself."
Then the Shafi’i quoted the above mentioned verses (16:103 and 41:44). The Shafi’i want to defend these verses but he is not able to ignore the facts which all Muslim scholars verify along with the companions and the legists such as ibn ’Abbas, Mujahid, ibn Jubayr, ’Akrama, and ’Ata. Also included in this group is the Suyuti as well as other scholars like Dr. Muhammad Rajab who expressed his views in "Solidarity" (al-Tadamun) magazine (April, 1989 issue). In his book, "The Itqan" (part 2, pp. 108-119), the Suyuti lists 118 non-Arabic words recorded in the Qur’an. Ibn ’Abbas, himself (along with other great Companions) asserts that some Qur’anic words are Persian, Ethiopian and Nabatean (p. 105). Dr. Bayyumi also confirms the Suyuti’s opinions and views. Faced with these contradictions what does the Suyuti say to justify them? He says in p. 106,
"The existence of a few non-Arabic words does not make the Qur’an non-Arabic as the verses indicate."
And I would say to Suyuti: "I know that the Qur’an is an Arabic book, but the Qur’an denies that it contains non-Arabic words (refer to verses 16:103; 41:44). It is obvious that this is a contradiction, especially since there are about 118 non-Arabic words—not just five or ten words. The simple explanation for this contradiction is that Muhammad himself did not know that the origin of the words he employed in the Qur’an were non-Arabic. He was not aware that some of them were Persian, Ethiopian, Berber, Turkish and Nabatean; thus, he claimed that the entire Qur’an was revealed in pure Arabic language!
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I thought we would disscus one things at a time? Let me deal with the first issue first then I would take this one on. : )
1- Just becase s’one has claimed s’thing or wrote s’thing doesnt mean it is true.
2- “Prof. Zaghloul al-Naggar, professor of geology and Director of the London-based Markfield Institute of Higher Education, has rightly told IslamOnline that many Westerners - some of them homosexual - convert to Islaam in order to appeal to Islamic communities and spread sinful behavior among Muslims, thus shaking their belief. Naggar cited the example of Richard S. Burton, a British writer who wrote in his book “A Journey to Mecca” how he publicly converted to Islaam for ulterior motives rather than out of real faith. Naggar also referred to Turkish Jews who converted to Islaam to reach power in Turkey during the times of Muslim Caliphs”
Who is the person you are quoting here?
My brother the point is You are now asking me to refer to different books that I are not part of Islam. To be a Muslim you dont have to believe in every book that has the is in the ‘islam’ section of the liberary.
As you said ‘this statement means’ gives me a indication that you are judging islam on what the people have written about it. You see I live in Pakistan. Most of the mosques teach a ‘specfic book’ atleast once a day to the common people sitting there. Now I dont agree with this book. So you start taking things out of that book just becuase it is taught in so many mosques to so many people and you quote s’thing from that book and them ask me ‘This statement means xyz, how can that be Islam?’ What do you expect me to say. Let us stick to Quran and Sunnah [hadith] only. That is all I believe islam is. There are other things as well but that come if both Quran and Sunnah are quite about s’thing. So rather than reading various other things which raise confusion in your mind stick yourself ot Quran and Sunnah and ask questions regardingly.
Tell me s’thing Have you actually done all this reading? Becuase if you havent then there is a possibility that the refference you are quoting are inncorrect. Secondly as I said every book in the section of ‘islam’ in the liberary doesnt have to be authentic.
I had already told you there was a time when for almost like 9 years I didnt say a single prayer, when I had my doubt on the existance of God. The place where I stand my conviction had brought me here. If I did not had the intellect I would not have been here. I tell you that clearly my friend.
Allah [swt] is error free. So where exactly did ‘God blames’ humans. And what mistakes are you reffering to. And no doubt Allah [swt] is all knowing all powerfull.
Make following easy? For instance fighting with less then 350 followers in the first battle of Islam. And then fighting against the ‘Roman Empire’ which were then supper power like US is considered as now a days. Must have been easy. So what were you saying about the logic and intellect? From my personal experiance I can when you want to follow Islam you have to face olot of difficulties. Even in this age. Let alone the time when only a few people were against the whole world.
My friend you might not be aware of this but we love/respect Muhammad [s] extreemly. Please dont accuse him again. You ahve confusions put them here I will address them. But why do you need to accuse Muhammad [s]?
Remeber the ‘specific book’ which I quoted above earlier this book also quotes a Hadith from Bukhari. I never found that in Bukhari.
Same goes for the narration you have mentioned above. You are now quoting s’thing which I didnt find. My dear friend I would suggest you to confim the refferences before you put them s’where. Normally, the hadith books are quoted like:
Bukhari: Volume 2, Book 24, Number 484:
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Narrated Abu Bakra: Allah’s Apostle said thrice, “Shall I not inform you of the biggest of the great sins?” We said, “Yes, O Allah’s Apostle” He said, “To join partners in worship with Allah: to be undutiful to one’s parents.” The Prophet sat up after he had been reclining and added, “And I warn you against giving forged statement and a false witness; I warn you against giving a forged statement and a false witness.” The Prophet kept on saying that warning till we thought that he would not stop. Bukhari: Volume 8, Book 73, Number 7:]I understand you wanted to be more exact but do let me know which addistion of Bukhari aare you reading and quote the refference in the other manner [as i did] it would help me to reconfirm easily.
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Tell me s’thing Have you actually done all this reading? Becuase if you havent then there is a possibility that the refference you are quoting are inncorrect. Secondly as I said every book in the section of ‘islam’ in the liberary doesnt have to be authentic.
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I have done the reading BUT you can still argue about their being incorrect. Let our common sense be the judge.
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My friend you might not be aware of this but we love/respect Muhammad [s] extreemly. Please dont accuse him again. You ahve confusions put them here I will address them. But why do you need to accuse Muhammad [s]?
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Of course I do respect the fact how you feel about this matter. I would like to say the obvious here, there are so many people with different veiws in this world, it is almost impossible to shut everyone up. If your faith is solid, no one can actualy do any damage to the Prophet’s reputation. so, try not to get offended by the language used in discusions regarding religion.
I would like to talk about miracles while we are at it.
There are many hadithes attributing miracles to the prophet. What should we make of them? Again as Asif Iftikhar indicated a Hadith that is contradicted by Quran cannot be trusted. I suppose this is acceptable by all Muslims. If there is a controversy between Hadith and Quran the authority of Quran overrides the Hadith.
What Quran says in respect of the Miracles? Quran categorically denies them.
So according to Quran Muhammad did not perform any miracles and all those hadithes that report stories contrary to that are false. Their falsity also can be proven by logics. The eminent scholar Ali Dashti asked: If Muhammad could really perform miracles, make stones speak, split the moon, multiply the food, visit the hell and the heaven in a night, etc as some of the hadithes suggest, why he did not perform the logical and useful miracle and did not learn how to read and write? Does it make sense that a man who can see the next world when given a piece of written paper in his own language not be able to understand what is written there? Muslims believe that he could look into one’s eyes and reads his mind. He himself claimed that when he leads the congregational prayer he can see this followers behind him without turning. Yet he could not read a simple letter written in his own language? Among all the miracles that he performed wasn’t this the simplest and the most useful of all?
Apart from the Quran, there are many Ahadithes that also deny any supernatural power or knowledge attributed to Muhammad.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 43, Number 638
(the wife of the Prophet) Allah’s Apostle heard some people quarreling at the door of his dwelling. He came out and said, “I AM ONLY A HUMAN BEING, and opponents come to me (to settle their problems); maybe someone amongst you can present his case more eloquently than the other, whereby I may consider him true and give a verdict in his favor. So, If I give the right of a Muslim to another by mistake, then it is really a portion of (Hell) Fire, he has the option to take or give up (before the Day of resurrection).”
How a man who is aware of this world and the next, who, as Muslims say, predicted all the inventions that has happened since, is capable of splitting the moon and perform any miracle cannot trust his own judgment fearing the eloquence of one party may deceive him and make him err?
As said earlier, the religious books may contain error. Let us talk about Qurran and Sunnha.
You see no one has a right to insult ‘anyone’ in this world. Let alone to case of repectable people which hold high regards in any religion for people.
Right abou that.
How old was Jesus [Eesa [as]] when he first spoke. Could he read then? Could he write then? You see my brother the Miricales are given by Allah [swt] could be in any form. Questionin them I believe is in appropriate.
My brother, you see Muhammad’s [s] each word and doing was authenticated by Allah [swt]. If Muhammad [s] made any mistakes Allah [swt] would send revelation to correct it [like in the case when he swore not to eat honey ever again]. So whatever Muhammad had said and done. So this had nothing to do with the Miricals. See if a revelation was send to him to point towards the moon and by doing that the moon split that doesnt mean Muhammad [s] did it him self and he possesed the suppernatural powers. He was commanded by Allah [swt], exactly the way when Moses [as] was asked to put his ‘aasa’ on the ground and the ‘aasa’ changed into a snake. You see the Miricales can not be performed by the individuals it is Allah [swt] who helps his chossen people for them. And Allah [swt] only posses the power over them.
Humans can make mistakes. Nothing to be surprised about that. The above answer must have cleared your views abou this question.
Some more facts about Muhammad [s] being and illiterate:
The theory that Muhummad (pbuh) authored the Qur’an or copied from other sources can be disproved by the single historical fact that he was illiterate.
Allah testifies Himself in the Qur’an
In Surah Al-Ankabut chapter no.29 verse 48
“And thou was not (able) to recite a Book before this (Book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: in that case, indeed, would the talkers of vanities have doubted.”
[Al-Qur’an 29:48]
Allah (swt) knew that many would doubt the authenticity of the Qur’an and would ascribe it to Prophet Muhummad (pbuh). Therefore Allah in His Divine Wisdom chose the last and final Messenger to be an ‘Ummi’, i.e. unlettered, so that the talkers of vanity would not then have the slightest justification to doubt the Prophet. The accusation of his enemies that he had copied the Qur’an from other sources and rehashed it all in a beautiful language might have carried some weight, but even this flimsy pretence has been deprived to the unbeliever and the cynic.
Allah reconfirms in the Qur’an in Surah Al A’raf chapter 7 verse 157:
“Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (Scriptures) in the Law and the Gospel”
The prophecy of coming of the unlettered Prophet (pbuh) is also mentioned in the Bible in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12.
“And the book is delivered to him that is not learned.”
[Isaiah 29:12]
The Qur’an testifies in no less than four different places that the Prophet (pbuh) was illiterate. It is also mentioned in Surah A’raf chapter 7 verse 158 and in Surah Al-Jumu’a chapter 62 verse 2.
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In many places, the Qur'an mentions Mary as the sister of Moses and Aaron and the daughter of Imran. The Qur'an has confused Jesus' mother with Aaron's sister because both of them carry the same name, though there are several centuries between them. The Qur'an indicates that Mary (Christ's mother) had a brother whose name was Aaron (chapter 19:28) and a father whose name is Imran (chapter 66:12). Their mother was called "the wife of Imran" (chapter 3:35) which eliminates any doubt that it confuses Mary, mother of Jesus, with Mary, sister of Aaron.
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Returning to your first Question:
1. IN THE SEMITIC LANGUAGES SISTER ALSO MEANS DESCENDANT
The Qur’an mentions in Surah Maryam, Chapter 19 verses 27-28
"At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: ‘O Mary! Truly an amazing thing hast thou brought!
O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!’"
[Al-Qur’an 19:27-28]
Christian missionaries say that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did not know the difference between Mary the mother of Jesus (pbuh) and Miriam the sister of Aaron (pbuh). The time span between both was more than a thousand years.
In the Arabic construction of the sentence, sister is also considered as a descendant. Thus, when the people said to Mary, Ukhta Haroon i.e. ‘sister of Aaron’ it actually means descendant of Aaron (pbuh).
2. SON ALSO MEANS DESCENDANT
It is mentioned in the Gospel of Mathew, Chapter 1 verse 1
"Jesus Christ, the son of David,....".
[Mathew 1:1]
Gospel of Luke Chapter 3, verse 23
"And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, ....."
[Luke 3:23]
DID JESUS (PBUH) HAVE TWO FATHERS?
What do you call a person who has two fathers? The explanation of the phrase that Jesus (pbuh) was the son of David (pbuh), is that Jesus (pbuh) was a descendant of David (pbuh). ‘Son’, here means a descendant.
BUT Brother, thing is, it is all that Quran itself says therefore can not be taken as a proof for it to be true. See, Since people find inconsistancies in the book itself and doubt it to be God’s word. I think the best way to answer these questions OR analyze the Critics point of veiw is to make a full use of common sense(I dont mean to say that you don’t have common sense) and reason. As you mentioned above Humans do make mistakes, but by the use of reason, human can learn from their mistakes and not repeat them. I appreciate the effort you are putting in to answer these question. Honestly there are loads of questions need answered and if you like we can continue this for as long as you want as long as your approach remains fair and you don’t feel offended.
This is clear in the incidents recorded in the Sahih of the Bukhari, (part 3, p. 223, and part 8, p. 91). The Bukhari says,
Reconfirm.
Please deal with one topic at a time. It would be easier for me.
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*Originally posted by stupid idiot: * May be he does. May be this is his way of learning. Besides how can you be so sure about his intentions. Surely Allah [swt] knows them best.
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Insulting one's religion and beliefs isn't a way of learning.
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*Originally posted by stupid idiot: * Who told you I'm wise? You might be msitaken, my friend.
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I was only showing you some respect. If your not wise, ok, then your not.
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Originally posted by stupid idiot: * **1*Suggest a nick for me?
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You should know better.
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*Originally posted by stupid idiot: * : ). Thank you for showing concern. What if I dont do s'thing about it?
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That's upto you.
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Originally posted by stupid idiot: * **2*The book you are quoting I dont believ in it.
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Thats' not my problem. Neither I need to prove myself to you brother.
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Originally posted by stupid idiot: * **3* Can you justify your nick as being a 'good' nick.
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No one is complaining?? Will that do??