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yeah right. Thats why he has grabbed pricy lands in the vicinity of Islamabad in addition to other lands he has grabbed in other provinces.:D
Re: I have turned against Musharraf
I think he's power hungry because he wants to fill up his bank accounts and others are power hungry because they want to serve pakistan. Proved.
If others (BB, NS, and corrupt politicians) who filled their bank accounts had also filled Pakistani treasure and would have given developments in Pakistan that I know has happened during last 8 years, I would have welcomed them. Problem is not that they were simply corrupts, they were mega corrupts and destroyed the country due to their corruptions as well as due to their hunger for absolute power.
On the other hand, though I would have accepted moderate corruption by them if they had done goods for the country, I do not believe that Musharraf is corrupt or done any corruption.
Plus, President Musharraf also asked United Nation (in 2001, at first opportunity he got to address UN) to enact laws that would stop corruption in third world countries by their rulers and asked UN plus all world countries for cooperation to eradicated corruption (not only in Pakistan but in all third world countries), and also asked to stop movement of corrupt funds from third world countries to developed world. This was first time any person ever raised the issue of corruption in UN (be that person from western world or third world where most corruption happens), and this issue in UN is such that a corrupt person would never raise such issues.
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Everyone has trned against that Dicktator...
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yeah right. Thats why he has grabbed pricy lands in the vicinity of Islamabad in addition to other lands he has grabbed in other provinces.:D
Can you beat Swiss accounts??????????
Re: I have turned against Musharraf
muali,
Let him leave the seat of power. Then you will see swiss accounts are nothing as compared to his greed. He has already a big house in USA.:D
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I still support Gen.Musharraf ..because he is atleast sincere to Pakistan. If people think he is power hungry.... my question is Who isnt? ......All these leaders like BB ,NS and other Chunu Munu.....what are they after......???
One bad decision cant over shadows his good work and loyalty for the welfare of Pakistan.
Yes he's very sincere to his kursi and loyal to his yes men aka generals
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Not really..... Others are power hungry cuz they wanna fill up their bank accounts just the way they did it in the past.....in his case.....he likes powers for a good cause....which is Pakistan......
How do you know he has n't already filled up his bank accounts? People thought the same about Zia but he was no honest shonest
Wait till he leaves...phir white sheet niklay gee aur sara doodh ka doodh aur pani ka pani ho jaye ga.
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Everyone has trned against that Dicktator...
True and I know you are very anti religious extremism
Sadly Khehkeshan and antiobl can't appreciate that someone can be anti-Mushy and yet be very progressive thinking...
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Well, when Zia died after ruling Pakistan for 11 years, Pakistan treasury was almost empty and during his time Pakistan debt ratio with respect to GDP increased. Dollar appreciated from Rs 10 to Rs 19 (90 percent) and stock market was just stable. Pakistan GDP and per capita did increased during his rule, but at modest rate.
Well, when NS and BB period finished after 11 years, Pakistan treasury was not only empty but Pakistan was bankrupt country and during their time Pakistan debt increased substantially in absolute terms as well as with respect to GDP (increasd to around 100 percent of GDP). Dollar appreciated from Rs 19 to Rs 54 (285 percent) and stock market was in doldrums. Pakistan GDP as well as per capita stagnated during their rule.
Since Musharraf came to power 8 years ago, Pakistan treasury got full, Pakistan debt got decreased substantially (it is around 52 percent of GDP). Dollar did not appreciated that much, gone from Rs 54 to Rs 61 today (13 percent), and stock market seen biggest boom in history, increased by over 1200 percent (by 12 times). Pakistan GDP as well as per capita increased substantially.
Now above performance plus many other plus factors of last 8 years is very good to me and even though I do not believe that Musharraf has done any corruption, still if he had done corruption and still Pakistan got such results, I take my cap off to him.
During his last 8 years of Musharraf rule, Pakistan got their local government, new police act, much better pay and pension structure for government employees, many new universities, many choice of TV channels and other entertainments, huge industrial growth, better living standard for most in the country and … and … and … I have shortage of words and space to mention all achievements that happened during Musharraf rule. Whatever happened during 8 years of Musharraf rule, most were Music to my ears:music:. Aab yea na kah dayna kay, you don’t like all good news and prosperity in Pakistan, because you believe that Music is haram 
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Your concept of democracy is now becoming clearer You have to live thousands miles away to make the choice 
Yeah yeah… when Geo came out first with “rumours” of emergency it was shrugged off as blatant lies and rumours… yeah yeah they are known liars.
And your words should be taken as The Holy Words of Truth.
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*I still support Gen.Musharraf ..because he is atleast sincere to Pakistan. *
Yep, destroying constitution, destroying judiciary, letting terrorists free, arresting political activists, lawyers... yes he is sincere to Pakistan.
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Everyone has trned against that Dicktator...
You too??
niceee
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I don't mind Musharraf when he takes on extremists, or does positive economic growth
But why is he silencing the media, journalists and opposition?
if he has such a strong case with what he is doing, then why doesn't he openly challenge his opposition to a civilized debate to articulate his point instead of throwing all the people who oppose him in jail
thats my problem with him and thats why I turned against him
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I don't mind Musharraf when he takes on extremists, or does positive economic growth
But why is he silencing the media, journalists and opposition?
if he has such a strong case with what he is doing, then why doesn't he openly challenge his opposition to a civilized debate to articulate his point instead of throwing all the people who oppose him in jail
thats my problem with him and thats why I turned against him
Exactly, this dictator has lost all his marbles for sure.
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Yep, destroying constitution, destroying judiciary, letting terrorists free, arresting political activists, lawyers... yes he is sincere to Pakistan.
Are we pakistani as a nation suffering from some sort of short term memory disorder....dont you guys see..... whatever is going is reaction to gov.'s patience.
..... You mess with gov and expect nothing in return???
Lawyers.... these people are pointing their fingers at him for destroying The LAW.
now someone should ask them
what in the world these supposedly law abiders are doing????....
I'm 1000000% sure he is sincere than those who wants to come back into politics.
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I don't mind Musharraf when he takes on extremists, or does positive economic growth
But why is he silencing the media, journalists and opposition?
if he has such a strong case with what he is doing, then why doesn't he openly challenge his opposition to a civilized debate to articulate his point instead of throwing all the people who oppose him in jail
thats my problem with him and thats why I turned against him
I do not see that he is silencing the opposition. If you mean NS than you are right, NS should be allowed to come back to Pakistan and should be moved to place he was before he left to Saudi Arabia after making deal, and that is prison in Pakistan serving life imprisonment.
As for Judiciary, President used constitutional and respectable ways to clean the judiciary by sending reference against CJ to SJC, but judges do not want that, they want kicks, so in the end what they want they got.
As for media and Journalists, they were using their given freedom to spread lies, to misguide people and to make elements fighting government as hero and government forces as enemy. I don’t think that any country could allow that, the media of that country start showing enemies of states as heroes and government forces as villains. Try to start writing in American media making American forces or even Israeli forces as evil villains and Al-Qaidah or Palestinians fighting them as heroes, and see what would happen.
No government would allow media in the country that spreads lies in the country, misguide people against the government, and make state enemies as heroes. Every country should have laws that should see if journalists are not spreading lies and not acting against the interest of the state. Worse is that, what I heard one media official (most likely GEO) was boasting that they can bring down the government within three days. And how they expect to do that? By spreading lies and making heroes out of those who fight the state. So when media starts behaving like that, they should expect full force of the government on them and should not complain.
People in media and journalism should know that their job is not to become king makers, political partners or opponent to government, as they should be neutral and should work with whoever rules the country, but when they become party, they do not deserve to be working. If that would be allowed, then today it is Pakistani media trying to become king makers and tomorrow it would be Jew media that would come to Pakistan and become king makers, like in USA.
Today it is BB and NS using their corrupt money to buy media for their promotion and spreading lies against the government, tomorrow it might be Indian government and Israeli government that would do the same. It is also possible that media of such country might come in and try to play their role directly. Jew media always look for such opportunities all the time and once this trend in Pakistan establishes (It has already started until the day government stopped it with emergency), it would not take Indian or Jew media to come to Pakistan and become King makers, according to their liking. It is need that there has to be some guideline and regulation for media and that is best for the country and future of the country. Media is not agreeing to accept any regulations, and that is why they are not allowed to broadcast in Pakistan.
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Do u mind if I call you "tony"
Cuz I like tony soprano.
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Are we pakistani as a nation suffering from some sort of short term memory disorder....dont you guys see..... whatever is going is reaction to gov.'s patience. ..... You mess with gov and expect nothing in return??? Lawyers.... these people are pointing their fingers at him for destroying The LAW. now someone should ask them what in the world these supposedly law abiders are doing????.... I'm **1000000%* sure he is sincere than those who wants to come back into politics.*
you can sit here and continue adding all the zeros you want to his level of sincerity but the fact remains that the dictator's blind lust of power has him standing shoulder to shoulder with the rotten likes of NS & BB. His resume already includes the references of well known thugs & crooks such as Sheikh Rashid & Ch. Shujaat which to a sane & unbiased person leaves no doubt about his "sincerity". However its your choice to continue tyring to paint a dark night as bright sunshine.
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you can sit here and continue adding all the zeros you want to his level of sincerity but the fact remains that the dictator's blind lust of power has him standing shoulder to shoulder with the rotten likes of NS & BB. His resume already includes the references of well known thugs & crooks such as Sheikh Rashid & Ch. Shujaat which to a sane & unbiased person leaves no doubt about his "sincerity". However its your choice to continue tyring to paint a dark night as bright sunshine.
Very well....i respect your opinion...
But do tell me.......Do you honestly believe that he is worse off than the previous corrupt leaders...that our nation is so eager to have them back....
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an do tell me......
The whole nation is upset cuz he is the so called " dictator".
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His gov. is backed by US.
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Dont say both..... be honest and name one.
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Very well....i respect your opinion... But do tell me.......Do you honestly believe that he is worse off than the previous corrupt leaders...that our nation is so eager to have them back....
an do tell me...... The whole nation is upset cuz he is the so called " dictator". or His gov. is backed by US.
Dont say both..... be honest and name one.
bhai - worse or worse than are relative measures. We all appreciated him kicking out NS that fateful day 8 yrs ago. The whole nation stood behind when he made promises of giving us a better & more transparent democratic system of governance which would be ridden of pests such as NS & BB. What you've to realize is that Musharraf himself was not supposed to be the solution of our problems. But look at his desperation now. Problem arises when individuals start to think of themselves as inseparable entities of a system.
People were with him 8 yrs ago - today he's being loathed at from all quarters ... why? because today we see him standing along with same cabal of goons who're well known crooks, thugs & plunderers. And you still expect people to blindly worhip him? And you tell me who's more eager to have those same tried, tested & failed "leaders" back .... ordindary people or the desperate dictator? Who was having secret meetings with BB and sending him army henchmen to try to secure her support ?? Who's willing to wrap up all corruption cases against her ?
And please don't try to paint a simplistic picture here. Poeple tolerated him in the hopes of all lofty promises he had made. On the domestic front, no body raised the issue of him being dictator or his slave like relationship with the US for the past many years. The whole nation has turned against him because after 8 yrs we've turned one full circle, back where we started in terms of a better & sustainable system of governance. On one hand that gang of chaudiris, a'awans, maliks & legharis is still the kingmaker in Pakistan's politics & worse yet, been providing political sustenance to Musharraf himself, on other hand - BB is hovering over us, NS is awaiting his next turn of luck, social justice is still a far fetched dream, law & order is just as broken down as it was 8 yrs ago and you expect people to bend over further and keep chanting 'Hail Musharraf' ??