So the Hadith goes, that the Prophet :saw: left the Quran and Ahl-e-Bait for the Muslims…
Well, I have the Quran in front of me…
What do I do about the Ahl-e-Bait?
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^ wait for the hidden imam to come out of occultation (is that the right word?)....
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pehlay insaan to ban jaa'o
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Lajawab:
If you take the term Ahl-e-Bait in Quranic Context, and the Durood-e-Ibraaheemi we read in Salah, Ahl-e-Bait refers to the wives of Prophet:saw:. Having said that, there is a saheeh hadeeth of Prophet:saw: which mentions that **Sydena Ali:razi: and Syeda Fatmatuz Zuhra:razi2: **were also regarded as part of Ahl-e-Bait of Rasool:saw: [an extension as said in the hadeeth].
So, for us, ahaadeeth narrated by Ummul Momineen Syeda Aisha:razi2: and the lives of Ali:razi:, Fatimah:razi2: and Imaam Shabaab al Ahl-e-Jannah Hassano wal Hussain (Ridhwaanullah AliyehaY Ajma’een) can be a source of guidance as well.
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Now be a good kid and read up on the traditions and lives of the Ahl ul Bayt (as), and try to emulate them, as you would the Prophet (saw). Their lives were an example for us all. That is where the 'purity' comes in.
You support those who the Imams supported and dissociate yourselves from those type of people the Imams dissociated from.
Also choose your mujtahid for your day to day fiqhi masail.
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And Lajawab, you can find the best narrations from one ahl-ul-bait of Prophet:saw: that is his wife Syeda Aisha 
in all Saheeh Ahaadeeth books.
You can get true guidance from there for sure.
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here you go, heres where I direct converts to shia Islam:
www.al-shia.com
www.sistani.org
The latter has the advantage of you asking one of the most prominent shia scholars alive these questions instead of random posters on a random forum.
Now, regarding what you can do with the ahl e bait out of the saqalain, Anwaar Qureishi's given you the sunni interpretation of it i.e. the shia ahl e bait plus the addition of the wives of the Prophet. Could you tell me what you presently do with the Ahl e Bait as defined by sunnies?
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Can someone please tell me who would be the current descendent of the prophet (pbuh) living in todays time? That is, the descendent from Hazrat Ali (a.s.) and Bibi Fatima Zohara katoon-e-jannat in todays time?
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how about me? thats the definition of syed..
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Lajawab, meri taraf se dilli eid mubarak aap ko
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Yeah syeds are descendants of hazrat muhammed(pbuh).
P.S
shia brothers dont take it wrong but all sunni syeds like myself are not considered syed .allah knows best.
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Why is it necessary for me to read up on the traditions and the lives of the Ahl-ulBait and emulate them when I have the Seerat, the life, the traditions of the Holy Prophet :saw: himself in his Sunnah from eating, sleeping, talking and even going to the bathroom?
According to the Imams, I should dissociate myself from the 3 rightly guided Khalifas …These were people whom as a Sunni I have read nothing but the best of actions…
Why should I dissociate myself from those whom the Holy Prophet :saw: kept close to his heart till his death?
If the Imams dissociated themselves from Hz. Abu Bakr, Uthman, Umar and the Holy Prophet :saw: kept them close to him till his demise, should I still follow the Imams and not the Holy Prophet :saw: in keeping them close to myself?
Who would be a good Mujtahid?
Kis tarhan…?
Thank you Ravage: However as a Sunni I have always believed that every Muslim is a Daai, a caller to Islam…I am well familiar with Islam, the 5 pillars, Salat and everything…
It’s just the basic differences that I am interested in, like what should I not believe as a Sunni and what should I believe as a Shia…
I respect them as is their due…I venerate them and honour them as is their due…
Ravage, would you be considered Ahl-e-Bait? My grandmother was a Syed too with a family tree as well…Would I be considered Ahl-e-Bait?
And if you are Ahl-e-Bait, should I follow you?
Anwaar: Thanks…
tmx: This is not how we celebrate Eid…
Just some basic questions bros and sisses…Thanks for the replies…:k:
Keep em coming, please…
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...These were people whom as a Sunni I have read nothing but the best of actions...
you have to read both sides of the story and then make up your own mind
as a sunni you must agree that no one is free from fault so why not objectively look at what the shia version of history is?
You cannot expect shia to convince you if you only treat sunni sources as authentic and think that shias would do the same
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there are two sources how these have come down to us, both shia and sunnis have their own and think theirs is the right one
so according to shia viewpoint what their Imams told them is EXACTLY what Rasulallah(saw) did and said, in other words there is NO DIFFERENCE between what the Imams taught and what the Prophet(pbuh) taught
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you’re trying to be shia right. we believe the source of every ismat and everything in Islam is revealed to the Prophet and that is the single source of knowledge for the imams too. Thereby any seerah of the imams is seerah of the Prophet. Your source of knwoledge about what the Prophetic way of life is lies with the sahaba, ours lies with our imams.
because you’ve heard those things as a sunni. If you’re going to become a shia you’re going to look at the shia version of history.
if you read that version of history then you will see the reasons you should disassociate yourself.
keep those basics, those you’ll need. if you’re truly interested in becoming shia i’ll tell you more.
fine, then “as their due” becomes the issue doesnt it. very subjective sadly, but the hadis does not talk about respecting them as their due, it talks about leaving two things for the guidance of Muslims. Unless you attain guidance from respect, merely respect is not enough.
No I wouldnt be, in the sense that shias use it. Ahl e bait principally would be the 5 included in the kissa, in a broader sense the imams, some shia correct me if im wrong
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It is VERY WRONG to say or imply that a normal average muslim is an ahle bait. The only ahle bait are the imams who were/are the direct descendents of the prophet (pbuh)
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[Quote: According to the Imams, I should dissociate myself from the 3 rightly guided Khalifas …These were people whom as a Sunni I have read nothing but the best of actions…
Why should I dissociate myself from those whom the Holy Prophet kept close to his heart till his death? ]
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9031181739160070561
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If somebody is truly interested in finding out the facts of the two different sects then in my opinion the best course of action would be to just accept those traditions that are present in books of ahadith in both sects and then come to a conclusion.
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I have read both sides and am trying to make up my mind…I agree, not everyone is faultfree and I also believe that not everyone is faulty to the point of Kufr…
As a Sunni I have always been taught never to call anyone a Shaheed unless witnessed by myself and never to call anyone a Kafir unless I witness the Kufr itself…So to place the title of Kafir or Kufr on people who died 1,500 years ago, especially after what I have read of them and their contributions, it’s sort of hard to do that…
I never said Shia sources are inauthentic…It’s just that they go against everything I have ever read…
Example would be Aisha 
…She is the only companion about whom Allah :swt: specifically sent an Ayah to free her from blame…This is an honour from Allah :swt: than no Muslim has ever received…Yet Shias belittle her in their traditions…That’s a little hard for me to accept…
So basically what the Imams are doing are following the Sunnah…If they are doing exactly what the Holy Prophet :saw: is doing, that’s called following the Sunnah…For example, how to perform Wudu, to perform Salat, how to treat guests, how to do the Khutba e.t.c. are all called Sunnah of the Holy Prophet :saw:…
So that means, after the Quran, it is Sunnah which makes Islam complete, right? I mean, if there was no Sunnah, what would the Imams be teaching? What would the Ahl-e-Bait be teaching if there was no Sunnah to follow? Would the Imams then make up things which were not in the Sunnah? Teaching what the Prophet :saw: never taught?
So that would mean, that after the Quran, the most important thing remains the Sunnah, right? I mean, face it, without the Sunnah, the Imams and the Ahl-e-Bait would be quite redundant…What knowledge would they be imparting besides the Quran?
If an Imam teaches you how to pray, where did that come from? Sunnah…If an Imam teaches you how to do Wudu, where did that come from? Sunnah, right? So what is more important? Sunnah or the Ahl-e-Bait? What would be the importance of the Ahl-e-Bait or Imams if there was no Sunnah?
I was told that I should dissociate myself from those that the Imams disssociated from. The Imams dissociated from Hz. Abu Bakr, Uthman, Umar, Aisha and many others …Now the Imams also give lanat upon these people…If the Imams are doing exactly what the Holy Prophet (saw) was doing, then did the Holy Prophet (saw) dissociate them from these people? Did he curse them like the Imams do?
Obviously not…
Agreed…So basically, the Imams are following the Sunnah…Which again, makes the Sunnah more important than anything besides the Quran for completeing the faith…(And of course guidance from Allah (swt))…So if all that is there, then where does Maatam, Taqiyyah, Tabarra e.t.c. come in, traditions which Sunni books do not have come in? Did they come from Imams? I cannot imagnine the Holy Prophet (saw) beating and crying and wailing for anyone…Or him practicing Taqqiyah…Ot doing Tabarra upon anyone, even his enemies…
So, definitely, there is a distinct difference between the Sunni and Shia sources and before becoming a Shia, I’ll have to read into them…
Same reason…Why should I dissociate from those whom the Holy prophet (saw) never dissociated from?
Oh, I am…Obviously, so many Muslims follow Shiaism, I definitely should know everything there is, considering since I am becoming one…
As a Sunni, there is nothing, not a word that will be kept from me, I know…I am interested in Shiaism, so please…Tell me more…
Again, some aspects in Shiaism make me wary of approcahing it…I’ll give you an example…
I have read on al-islam.com that Taqiyyah is hiding your faith in times of danger…You say that I should follow the example of the Ahl-e-Bait…
If I were to follow the example of Hz. Hussain and Hassan (razi2) then the concept of Taqiyyah is literally Kufr…Why?
Because when Hz. Hassan and Hussain (razi2) were to be beheaded, they could easily have opted for Taqiyyah and said ‘We have no objection to having Yazid or Muawiyyah as our Khalifa…’ (according to Shia doctrines)
Yet, they did not do Taqiyyah and rather with supreme honour and valiance preferred to be beheaded…So, if following the Ahl-e-Bait is concerned, then Taqiyyah is out of the question…Even if it comes to one dying for their belief…That is supreme faith…Otherwise it sounds most much like hypocrisy…
Also, I cannot imagine the Holy Prophet (saw) practicing it…
It would still mean the most important thing remains Sunnah, the way of the Prophets (PBUT) without which Islam would be incomplete…Also without which the Ahle-Bait and the Imams become quite redundant…
In that case, the Sunni version of Hadith, “I am leaving the Quran and Sunnah…” becomes more important…Both, without which, the Ahl-e-Bait and Imams are useless…
So the Ahl-e-Bait are not normal average people? Who would be a direct descendant of the Prophet (saw)? I am a Syed from my Grandmother’s side…I am pretty normal…Imam Khomeini semed pretty normal and average to me…Who is to say who is the direct descendant of the Holy Prophet (saw)? I had a Shia friend who claimed direct descendancy…Used to drink and hobnob with prostitutes…
I am not following him, man…
MAKRANI: Seen that…I agree with some of his points and some I don’t…
It’s not easy…One tells to follow the Sunnah and one tells to follow the Ahl-e-Bait…
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True but I am talking about the common traditions, lets just take the traditions ahadith that are common in both sects.
From there we can make certain conclusions and move on.
If nothing else, atleast we will be able to understand each others point of view then.
One more thing I like to add is that even shias believe in sunnah, but the difference between shias and sunnis is the source we take the sunnah of prophet from. In other words the source of our ahadiths.