I bear Witness there is no Allah and Muhammad IS his prophet

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*Originally posted by fatehahmad: *
Holy Quran has clearly prophesized the Islam would Inshallah prevail over every other religion.

We read in Holy Quran, Surah Taubah:

It is evident from the above verse that Islam would Inshallah be victorious over all other religions even in this world as promised by Allah. It is true that true reward for a Muslim is in the hereafter but Muslims would also be rewarded even in this world.
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Verses are not evidence. They themself need proper evidence that they really originated by the divine as claimed by you ppl.

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*Originally posted by chit_khopdi: *
when you are giving the example of hazrat noah....
do you know, hazrat noah was the prophet of the whole world and the world was limited to the area where hazrat noah nation was.The wotld was not so much larger as it is today.there were not so much population of man or animal at that time.

second thing when the world was small the species of the animals was also limited.its true that noah had saved those pair of animals present at his time.

yes of course god is a creater and he could create the species again.If he ordered noah to carry the species along with him just to maintain the life cycly or food chain, (god knows better why he said) and quran is not only astory book, so it just give you the each and every detail of the story.its a book who shows us the real path and where some stories are present they are just present to give us the summary of what happened at that time.

regrding the point of number of the species at present... i'd like to ask you one thing, don't you know that there were lot of species that we lost today... there are lot of species which has born by the old species as a new species.if you beleive on it why don't you believe about the pair of species saved by noah. why are you arguing about the number of the species saved by him.

we all know that there is a power who is responsible for everything going happen in this world.science also do belief on a hidden power, if its not true then why don't a doctor saves a person's life by his knowledge of science (but says as prey to god he may save the life). if you don't believe then you are lying.
A doctor knows each and every thing about a desease, he also knows what medicine will cause a positive/negative effect to a person who is suffering from a particular desease.then why sometimes an apropriate medicine for aparticular desease do positive reacton on one person and negative to another.

I tell you why, because whatever happens in this world is just happen by the order of god , and in every order of GOD there is a reason that he knows better.He knows better what's good for us and what's bad for us.we don't know about it.if we face something worse that is because of our sins that we committed.

By the way to which religion you follow???
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Very Good! So the world was small in the time of noah and species was less in number....!!!

Mr. But this world (where u live) is a large one and number of species are in millions.

So noah lived in a different (imaginary) world. Divine's holy text tell us the stories of that imaginary world. So its teachings are not applicable to this world.

And science do not believe in any such hidden power to whom we should believe in or pray to. Hidden powers of science are only nuclear powers/ energies etc.

And every event in the world do not happen as a result of the order of any god. Events happen as per the scientific principles.

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*Originally posted by akbarkhan: *

our faith won the battle against science in soviet afghan war . and it'll win this one too.

by the way what are u trying here anyways.. are u trying to change ur faith or just cuz no one listen to ur bs in real world u come hit the puter . start workin out its good for burning fat that covers brain. :)
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Do not be dishonest. Ok! your faith won BUT under the supervision of USA's science. War was actually between USA and USSR. Your faith was only a pawn in the hands of USA.

Your english in next paragraph is weak and so is not understandable to me. Try to improve it.

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*Originally posted by akbarkhan: *

i have command over arabic , english , pashto ( my mother language), farsi and urdu .. and i know arabic grammer and i can tell you its deeper and more understandable than ny languages inda world..but thast if only u knew .
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OK! its very good.

But arabic is NOT the absolute or best language in the word.

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*Originally posted by basic_force: *

Yes! you will be awarded the victory as a reward of your failure in life. I am not interested in this type of victory.
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Good, then you shouldn't let it bother you that some people believe in faith...For some with an understanding, faith is as real as themselves, and for some, their reality is bound by earthen senses...

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*Originally posted by basic_force: *

But arabic is NOT the absolute or best language in the word..
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How do you judge a language.....

the point is translation dont give the exact sentiments as the original writings........

so if you want to understand quran you should better look for the arabic version..

However if u have made up ur mind...then nothing can help u....

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:hehe: this is classic.

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*Originally posted by basic_force: *

Very Good! So the world was small in the time of noah and species was less in number....!!!

Mr. But this world (where u live) is a large one and number of species are in millions.

So noah lived in a different (imaginary) world. Divine's holy text tell us the stories of that imaginary world. So its teachings are not applicable to this world.

And science do not believe in any such hidden power to whom we should believe in or pray to. Hidden powers of science are only nuclear powers/ energies etc.

And every event in the world do not happen as a result of the order of any god. Events happen as per the scientific principles.
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you tell me MR. Basic force,
How the universe has created?
How we born and what was our original shape?
How many species were there at the time of the creation of the universe?
How many human beings were there when the universe born?
How many times the living things of the world has been destroyed?

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*Originally posted by Lajawab: *

Good, then you shouldn't let it bother you that some people believe in faith...For some with an understanding, faith is as real as themselves, and for some, their reality is bound by earthen senses...
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You cannot know the realities of this "earthen" world and you claim that you know everything of an un-known and imaginary world which is a "divine" world according to you ppl.

Come on the earth Mr.

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*Originally posted by bao bihari: *

How do you judge a language.....

the point is translation dont give the exact sentiments as the original writings........

so if you want to understand quran you should better look for the arabic version..

However if u have made up ur mind...then nothing can help u....
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So you insist only on arabic. It means that Islam is restricted only for arabians. All the world is not arabic. So Islamic teachings are not applicable to all the world.

I have made my mind by myself after careful and thorough consideration. It is you ppl whose mind has been prepared by their muslim parents and by their muslim society. Had you were born in hindu extreamist family you would be a hindu extreamist no doubt about it.

I myself have made my mind. I was born in a religious family but I am a non-religious person.

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*Originally posted by chit_khopdi: *

you tell me MR. Basic force,
How the universe has created?
How we born and what was our original shape?
How many species were there at the time of the creation of the universe?
How many human beings were there when the universe born?
How many times the living things of the world has been destroyed?
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I have made a judjment of your understanding abilities by reading your previous post..... world was small in the time of noah...species were limited....etc.

It is useless to give u the answers of your "new" questions. You will not understand.

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*Originally posted by basic_force: *

I have made a judjment of your understanding abilities by reading your previous post..... world was small in the time of noah...species were limited....etc.

It is useless to give u the answers of your "new" questions. You will not understand.
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stop this topic.

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stop this topic.
stick with your own faith.Don't bother for others.

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If you don’t know the answer then its OK.Go to your science teacher and ask about it.you will get the answer of it, and you’ll also get the answers of your several questions posted in your previous posts.

i didn’t ask this question to understand YOUR GREAT intelligence, and i don’t need to do that.Your great intelligence and LOGIC will help NASA to improve thier research.They really need your views.So its better if you don’t waste your important time here.

Check it out…
http://www.what-is-islam.org/miracles5.html
it will give you the answerof my pointof view (expanding world).
You can also search here answers of you r other questions.
http://www.what-is-islam.org/quraan.html
it’ll tell you about the qur’an, its language and message

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*Originally posted by armughal: *
the IS and WAS r english translations....
the arabic text contains no tense....

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mughal, are you high as a kite? You don't think Arabic has a past tense? Good grief, how can you just say something like that without ANY knowledge of the language... makes me wonder what other stuff you just make up to justify your point of view.

In Arabic, "MUHAMMAD AL RASOOL ULLAH" means that Muhammed IS the Messenger of GOd and "MUHAMMAD KAANA RASOOL ULLAH" means that Muhammed WAS the Messenger of God.

So the question posed is a very legit question, how can a dead man presently be a messenger of God? Please explaing without dismissing the language and saying that there is no tense in Arabic. How do you answer a question like that if posed by a curious non-muslim?

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OK I shall go to every science teacher because I am really interested in knowing the scientific facts. However I have no spare time to go to your useless miracleous websites.