I bear Witness there is no Allah and Muhammad IS his prophet:
Prophet Muhammad died (or was martyred) 1400 years ago. How come we Muslims don’t say: I bear Witness there is no Allah and Muhammad WAS his prophet?
This question was posed to me by one of my Jewish friends. He said that Christians say Jesus IS the son of God, because Christians (and Muslims) believe he is still alive. But why the same for Prophet Muhammad?
for me, I would never bear witness, nor do I think any other muslim would, that there is no Allah....
the IS and WAS r english translations....
the arabic text contains no tense....
and where did u come up with martyrdom for the prophet????
But muslims do believe that Jesus IS still alive and Prophet Muhammad WAS alive.
Arabic text if do not include 'is' or 'was' then why it is officially translated into present tense sense even in urdu?
Then what is its meaning in urdu?
If the ultimate meaning in urdu includes the word 'hai' or 'hain' then it is a serious fault in Arabic language for why it do not have words to show the tense.
If the ultimate meaning in urdu do not include the world 'hai' or 'hain' then why it is so translated in urdu...in virtually all the translations..???
Most Pakistani people do not know arabic. They know the meaning of their kalima in urdu. If there is real difference between original kalima and its urdu translation then these 'most pakistani muslims' ** do not believe in real kalima but they believe in the meaning as are understood by the udru translation which includes the words such as 'hai' or 'hain'. It means most pakistanies do not believe in real meanings of kalima and so they are not real muslims.**
And I do not need answers to these questions from any member. I need answers to these questions from your God...who just cannot tell us any thing. Because actually he do not exists.
Originally posted by basic_force: *
**And I do not need answers to these questions from any member. I need answers to these questions from your God...*
dang what nick does he use on GS? I mean you are posting here so either you think god posts here too or there is something else going on.
*who just cannot tell us any thing. Because actually he do not exists. *
He do not exists... hmmm...aik toh fobs bhi.. butchering english language like that sigh
there r some very serious things i need to asl from G.W. Bush… who just cannot tell me any thing… Because actually he do not exists…
if i made such a remark, i’d be laughed at even by the most foolish people around me… 
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beshuk beshuk beshuk!
there is no God but Almighty Allah:swt: and Muhammad:saw: is His:swt: prophet and messenger
salman! Huzrat Muhammad:saw: wasn’t martyred!
Wasn't Prophet Muhammad poisoned by a Jewish woman? I know he didn't die immediately afterwards but it affected and that led to his death.
Arabic has no tense. I highly doubt such a rich language have no tense. Maybe that's why ARABS are so backwards, they have no grip on time.
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*Originally posted by Salman: *
Wasn't Prophet Muhammad poisoned by a Jewish woman? I know he didn't die immediately afterwards but it affected and that led to his death.
Arabic has no tense. I highly doubt such a rich language have no tense. Maybe that's why ARABS are so backwards, they have no grip on time.
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what the....
yeah thats why Allah chose this backward language for his Final Word
G.W. Bush actually do not exist…for you ppl… because u ppl are just like pigens who close their eyes when they see a cat or TOM and thinks that this cat or tom do not exist.
And that Cat or TOM ACTUALLY kills them and eat them…just like G.W. Bush did in Afghanistan and Iraq… But for you ppl… he actually do not exist…And for you ppl, only those things exist which actually do not exist.
Yes your God has chooses that language for his final words which is a weak language. This language do not have tenses (I have conluded this as per the discussion in this thread so far). So not only Arabs but all the muslims on the world are backward. Because they do not have grip on time.
Arabic language is not an absolute language. It is an evolved form of ancient Babylonian language.
Similarly all the muslim’s beliefs have also been derived from ancient Babylonien religion, ancient jewish religion and from christien religion.
Five prayers of muslims are just an evolutionary form of five prayers of Babylonien people. Babylonien ppl did pray five times in a day BUT not to any God. They prayed in this manner to the Sun. First prayer was for when sun was to rise. Second prayer was when sun was middle in sky. Third prayer was when Sun moved downward. Fourth Prayer was when sun sets off. and fifth prayer when sun’s light disappeared.
Muslims has taken the idea or the concept of five prayers from them. God has told them nothing.
And in return all those ancient religions also have been derived from still older beliefs of most ancient humans.
God never had told anything to any human.
*Originally posted by basic_force: *
*This language do not have tenses (I have conluded this as per the discussion in this thread so far). *
yaar but english has tenses :) even if arabic has tenses, you dont seem to care too much for them
So not only Arabs but all the muslims on the world are backward. Because they do not have grip on time.
and pray tell which religion has a grip on time in your view then?
Arabic language is not an absolute language. It is an evolved form of ancient Babylonian language.
and that language probably was evolved from cavemen's grunts, whats the point?
And in return all those ancient religions also have been derived from still older beliefs of most ancient humans.
and those ancient humans dervied their beliefs from apes, and before that from single cell organisms.. fine
*God never had told anything to any human. *
okay thank you
It would be wrong for anyone to claim that God does not exist per se because one has no proof to prove any such claim, however, Rama, Karishna, Ormazd, Yehweh, Jesus, Allah etc are gods or not are claims worth considering, for there is no evidence whatsoever for proof of such claims either. It is therefore safe for one to deny these claims because the truth can be discovered by examining the alleged divine scriptures and agents.
Mr. Fraudia,
u r understanding the points.
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*Originally posted by MMughal: *
It would be wrong for anyone to claim that God does not exist per se because one has no proof to prove any such claim, however, Rama, Karishna, Ormazd, Yehweh, Jesus, Allah etc are gods or not are claims worth considering, for there is no evidence whatsoever for proof of such claims either. It is therefore safe for one to deny these claims because the truth can be discovered by examining the alleged divine scriptures and agents.
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But if God do not prove his existence and his believers are also unable to prove the existence of their God then we are free to "ASSUME" that God actually do not exist. And if I assume this I feel no guilty of my this act. It is not my fault that I do not believe in God. I am not satisfied with a valid proof. If God exists but do not want to show any proof of his existence then he is putting "UNDUE" pressure on us to "believe" in him without getting any valid proof.
However Muslim's (and any other religious) God's non-existence is provable. His revealed text is so much un-scientific that a valid question arises "Can God be ignorant of scientific facts upto that extent..??"
If no that he is not the true God because his revealed text is un-scientific and illogical.
If yes then he is not a perfact God. Human scientists, then are more perfact than this God.
If no then true God may exist but that true God is not any of a religion's God. and that true God also do not put any "UNDUE" pressure on human's to believe in him because he "KNOWS" that he has not provided the proof of his existence which is valid for the muslims.
there's a bear in the house?
basic_force… while its ok to have your opinions, however, when you are posting on GUPSHUP Religion forum, be mindful of the rules. They require politeness and ensuring that the way you are formulating your thoughts, they do not hurt the religious sensitivities of people from other faiths. Your posts are clearly on the borderline. I do find you to have interesting opinions, but if you carry on in the same vein, I suspect you will receive a warning very soon to mind your tone and choose your words more carefully.
This place does not claim to have complete freedom of speech (you do have freedom of opinion), and we most certainly enforce strict rules to manage this place. This is just to clear any misunderstanding some people have.
For your information, the rules of this forum can be found here. Thanks.
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*Originally posted by basic_force: *
If no that he is not the true God because his revealed text is un-scientific and illogical.
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lets start with good examples to support ur statement....