I am worried about the safety of the Indian /Indian players raise concerns (Merged)

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After the second assassination attempt on Musharaff in less than 12 days… I am seriously concerned about the safety of the Indian players when they tour Pakistan in February 2004. Forget about India’s allegations about Pak supporting terrorism in Kashmir etc., I feel that this tour should be called off because of the threat to the Indian players’ safety alone. I mean , we cannot make Indian cricketers scapegoats for the sake of the present India-Pak bhai-bhai fanfare.

Please dont get me wrong on this… I have no doubts that the PCB will ensure the best of security for the Indian team… but the fact that the security of the head of the state has not been capable of warding off suicide bombers makes me kindaa nervous… Please dont get back to let me know that the Pak team toured India after the Shiv Sainiks dug up the pitch and threatened to disrupt the tour… firstly , I dont want to make this another India-Pak bashing thread…and secondly a bunch of coward Shiv Sainiks cannot be compared to highly motivated and ruthless Jehadis who take to suicide bombing rather easily to get their point across.

So please tell me , what security will stop a suicide bomber from lunging out of the crowd onto the Indian players walking to the ground or fielding at the boundary…

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Some1 don't get me wrong either but if you are that concerned about the safety of the Indian players than you should start a petition in your own parliament to get the tour aborted. Frankly the arguments you have put forward are not very convincing. These people can strike anywhere including your own country and a strike did take place in the heart of your seat of government. Two of your own PM's have been assasinated one by her own bodyguards and one by suicide bomber. Should other teams then come to your country, if you can't protect your own PM's how can you protect foreign cricket teams? The point I am trying to make is that one can blow these sort of incidents out of proportion.

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Sorry, Ehsan, I expected a more matured response from you...

You and me know that the people who killed our PMs or attacked our Parliament had nothing against Pakistan... but the people who are making these bids on Musharaff's life have an axe to grind against India also. I am not saying that all cricket playing nations should stop visiting Pakistan... but INDIA certainly has reason too. I am not even saying that Pak by itself is a dangerous place, any more dangerous than other countries..... I am not trying to undermine Pakistan...but I do feel that under the current environment an Indian's life is at a much greater risk in Pak than a Pakistani's life is in India.

When you hear of any suicide bombing attempt by a Shiv Sainik, please let me know... I will eat my words !!

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While on the subject of suicide bombing, a quote from CNN.com - Musharraf survives two-pronged attack on convoy - Dec. 25, 2003

…Asked about his security, Musharraf said he takes many security precautions, but “total security against suicide bombers really cannot be guaranteed by any force.” …

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The point I am making is the same that you are making i.e. there is no protection against a determined bomber. In the recent past some Indian cricketers and commentators and also some Indian film artists were in Pakistan and no harm came to them. We can blow these incidents out of proportion and if you want total security than short of aborting the tour I dont see any alternative. Recently three teams have toured Pakistan and despite their security reservations no untoward incident took place. I think the Indian team will get a great reception when they come to Paksitan and they will be afforded full security. As to suicide bombers well I agree with our president that full security cannot be guaranteed against them. That was the point I was making in my first post by giving you examples of your own country that they can strike anywhere, anytime.

Let's just hope the focus remains on circket and I for one am convinced that it will be.

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if these "suicide" bombers really want 2 kill an indian player or two they dont have 2 wait till they come 2 pakistan, they can kill em in india or n e where else suicide bombings take place, Pakistan in 99 when they went 2 india how many problems did the indian crowd cause,

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Pakpathan, you could 've said same thing using decent words, why do you have to give up all decency when talking to Indians?

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I think it is pointed above by Ehsan that Indian players can be targeted anywhere around the globe, even in Australia.
Suicide bombers are global problem not just in Pakistan, if you really are worried then India should cancel its tours all the time.

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that was me xpress lol

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by Some1: *
Sorry, Ehsan, I expected a more matured response from you...

You and me know that the people who killed our PMs or attacked our Parliament had nothing against Pakistan... but the people who are making these bids on Musharaff's life have an axe to grind against India also. I am not saying that all cricket playing nations should stop visiting Pakistan... but INDIA certainly has reason too. I am not even saying that Pak by itself is a dangerous place, any more dangerous than other countries..... I am not trying to undermine Pakistan...but I do feel that under the current environment an Indian's life is at a much greater risk in Pak than a Pakistani's life is in India.

When you hear of any suicide bombing attempt by a Shiv Sainik, please let me know... I will eat my words !!
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And thinks he himself is puting up a mature discussion. Grow up dude.

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by Some1: *
Sorry, Ehsan, I expected a more matured response from you...

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[/QUOTE]

The Game Responds:

    *You shmuck, that was mature as it gets. You Indians really need to loosen up; Sami and Shoaib aren't unplayable, you know! People, That Is All.*
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That wasn’t mature enough for you? Why don’t you all let us know what defines mature for you? From the looks of it, anyone who disagrees with you can never be mature no matter how hard they try. :rolleyes:

Coming back to the topic: If anyone wanted to kill an Indian player, they could do it in India where security check is not as stringent as in Pakistan. Spectators entering Pakistani grounds are thoroughly checked so there’s not much of a chance that anyone with a bomb will pass through. Then there are the steel fence across all grounds that stops any spectator from jumping onto the playing area or onto the ramp. If anyone does somehow succeed in getting onto the playing areas, you have the security personnel to take care of him. So a suicide bomber in a cricket ground is very unlikely. In fact your players will be safer in Pakistan than in India.

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some1 u saying that these idiots are going to target Indian team coz they dont like them dont think thats the case coz if they are doing this, or they would do a suicide bombing against Indian team that would only be to give a bad face to pakistan these diots if they were to do this for not liking india, believe me they have balls to go to India and do it there(where the securities would be ten times worse than pakistan)

But i do somewhat agree with you with the security under current situations in Pakistan. But it would not be coz Indians are not welcomed by these terrorists. they would only do it to give pakistan bad face.

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This some1 guy is over reacting.
Besides, no Pakistani will kill himself to kill one or few indians.
Nothing happend during NZ or SA tours of Pak, so get over it.

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take the matter to the Indian Ministry of Sports.

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well Some1, all i can say is that tell India to cancel the tour....coz anyways, they r going to come up with some excuse later to cancel the tour....

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indian players want the tour cancelled according to cricinfo, read the article i dont know how 2 post from a website beside copy past, but it says the players dont want 2 go becasue if Pak president is not safe how will they b safe!

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Indian cricketers keen to call off Pakistan tour

Indian cricketers keen to call off Pakistan tour

Wisden Cricinfo staff

December 27, 2003

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Tendulkar made his debut in Pakistan, but will he ever play there again?
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The much-anticipated tour by the Indian team to Pakistan in February 2004 is in danger of being called off, after the Indian players raised concerns about security. According to a report in Mid Day, the team’s concerns will be faxed later today to Jagmohan Dalmiya, president of the Indian cricket board.

The decision was apparently prompted by the recent assassination attempts made on Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan’s president. On December 14, a bomb exploded under a bridge Musharraf’s convoy had passed minutes before, and on December 25, two suicide car bombers rammed into his convoy, killing 14 people.

According to the report, the players had discussed the matter for two days before coming to a unanimous conclusion on the first morning of the Boxing Day Test. The move came after Musharraf’s decision to shift residence for security reasons. The team felt that if the president was insecure about his safety, the cricketers could also be high-profile targets.

The decision is likely to put the cricket board on the spot, as it had pressurised the Indian government for a resumption of cricketing ties with Pakistan.

This was to be India’s first full tour of Pakistan since 1989-90, a series in which Sachin Tendulkar and Waqar Younis made their debuts.

Pakistan has faced a series of cancelled tours, due to violence and a threat to life. The New Zealand team pulled out of a tour mid-way in 2002, after a car bomb exploded outside their hotel.

© Wisden Cricinfo Ltd

http://www-usa.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2003/DEC/030019_IND_27DEC2003.html

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No No No..... This shouldnt happen at any cost..

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Grooan - why couldn't those moron assasinators have waited till the tour was over? ****heads!