I am not Shia!!

[queen_24]

Re: I am not Shia!!

@arain_munda

Sister there is not any problem regarding ur thoughts. Actually some people by lack of their knowledge have divided great personalities inbetween sunnis, shias, ahle hadith. So please think and act according to teachings of greatest Teacher of World Hazrat MUHAMMAD (S.A.W.). but as per hadith reference a woman is not allowed to visit any shrine (mazaar) except roza e pak in madina. so first discuss this topic with a mufti and then go. and ALLAH knows best

Now thats sensible!

[psyah]

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arain munda and shardmanny :k:

There is no reason why you cannot go to the places where these graves are situated for ziyarat … not pilgrimage … but I don’t think you had that intent anyway …

[Janjua39]

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@queen_24

you have wholely taken me wrong and I just feel about you and her the same now. No.1, when & where did I say I am not intereted to Visit Our Holy Prophet's Mohammad (P.B.U.H) roza-e-mubarak?? Its just that my thread wasn't about HIM right now, I wasn't discussing HIM right now. STILL My priorities are to first perform Hajj and Umrah and then any other places!! I just wanted to make her realise and even now you too, that every Messenger/ Prophet/ Imam holds a special value!! and right here I was talking about these three.. who are actually from Aap S.A.W's Aal. Please dont expect from me to compare the Holy Personalities here!! Ofcourse, for me, its Allah and His Rasool (P.B.U.H) on the top of my list and I am sure, for every Muslim too.

Would you tell me whats the Extremist attitude do I hold btw?? What is one solid path?? Is loving Our Prophet Mohammad's (P.B.U.H) grandsons something extremist? Is wishing to visit the places they are burried in, extremist? One solid path is what? to ONLY love Allah and Holy Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H?? and rest?? oh and if you say why not interested to visit places where Hazrat Abu Bakar R.A, Hazrat Omer Farooq R.A, Hazrat Usman Ghani R.A, so who said, I am not? I am..certainly!! but I was just talking about them right now... and loving them more has too many reasons!! Grandsons of Our Holy Prophet, Very Brave too!!

Yeah I know whats haram and I strongly believe that too!! this shouldnt be happening!! Perhaps, I conclude thats you who hold an extremist attitude towards them as loving them makes you feel you are one of those Shia!! But believe me, Hazrat Imam Hassan R.A and Hazrat Imam Hussain R.A are for every Muslim and Every Muslim should love them, this doesnt make one shia but shows how much you love those, who were loved by Our Holy Prophet P.B.U.H too much!!

I never denied the love for ahl e bayt, don't know why people doubt this love when you criticize shia practices. All I'm saying is your mixing shia rituals with Islam which isn't a safe practice. Would you do the same with Christmas just because the Christians are people of the book? No you would not.

Anyway, to you your path, to me mine. To get a clear picture of my belief, here is some advice from Imam Bukhari rahimullah;

"I don’t see any difference between praying Salah behind a Jahmi or a (Shia) Rafidhi and a Christian or a Jew. They (Jahmis/Rafidhis) are not to be greeted, nor are they to be visited, nor are they to be married, nor is their testimony to be accepted, nor are their sacrifices to be eaten."

[Janjua39]

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@majesty

The ignorance in your post is actually quite disturbing.I’d encourage you to atleast touch upon the facts of the other sect before making sweeping statements.The reason such statements infuriate me is because of the divide they create.
Did you know that it is shias who were killed this ramzan in Karachi were protesting for their brothers in Palestine? Shias all over the world take out juloos and protest the oppression of Israeli’s. And who said the last friday of Ramzan should be observed for protesting the Palestinians? Khumeni from the Iran you despise.

They do not see it as protesting for sunni’s. It was sad that students when asked about Quds rally said that Palestinians were shias so shias wold protest for them.:smack:
Do you object to this juloos as well? Or is it only reserved for the Holy Prophet (s)'s grandson?

Shias believe Prophet (s) was shaheed on 28th Safar not 12th Rabulalwal. Therefore it is commemorated accordingly.Who forgets the death of Rasul(s) The shias who take out a juloos and mourn? Or the shias who were killed during Ramzan while commemorating yaum e ali? O
Anyone who has been for Umrah or haaj & visited the Holy Prophet(s) for ziyarat will know that you are NOT allowed to cry/mourn at the “greatest calamaity” because the saudis disallow it.
So would you be calling them ignorant/babaric and the incorrect Islam?

Adding a link which clearly states the date/commemoration of Holy Prophet (s).

Contrary to all the opinions here there are many sunni brothers & sisters who do go for ziyarat .Last time when I was in Karballa for Arbaeen ( Chehlum/40th day- in season as psyah brother says) there were quite a few sunnis who had come for ziyarat in the same caravan.

As Hazrat Ali (a.s) told a jew who came to spread fitna “**We are united on One Allah, on one Holy Book, Quran and the Kabbah”. Why do we always choose to focus on the divisions rather than the uniting factors? **

**As Khumeni said " While we are fighting over whether to say our prayers with our hands open or folded , the enemy is devising ways to cut our hands off".
**
Please focus on the uniting facts .

People die. Sunnis died saving shias. So what? People die every day.

Anyway, it’s good you go out for juloos, do your thing. Enjoy it. I’ll protect your life but I will never accept your beliefs. That’s all.

[queen_24]

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@Janjua39

I never denied the love for ahl e bayt, don't know why people doubt this love when you criticize shia practices. All I'm saying is your mixing shia rituals with Islam which isn't a safe practice. *Would you do the same with Christmas just because the Christians are people of the book? No you would not. * Anyway, to you your path, to me mine. To get a clear picture of my belief, here is some advice from Imam Bukhari rahimullah;

"I don’t see any difference between praying Salah behind a Jahmi or a (Shia) Rafidhi and a Christian or a Jew. They (Jahmis/Rafidhis) are not to be greeted, nor are they to be visited, nor are they to be married, nor is their testimony to be accepted, nor are their sacrifices to be eaten."

My love & respect for Hazrat Essa A.S can not be ended just because Christians beliefs!! Its they who have whatever beliefs but to me HE is one of the messengers of Allah!! and I believe too that He will be back 40 years before this world to be ended!! so??

When did I say I want to go out for Matam and Attending Juloos. Hazrat Mohammad PBUH strictly forbade to moan more than 3 days for any reason. I am not in such favor!!

cmon now people thinking out of the way!! you people are mixing me!! I just said about Love for Ahl-e-bait.... does it make one shia?? thats it!! Having their love in your heart makes you a shia?? cmon! How can it be!!

[Ma_Mooli]

I am not Shia!!

Of course! If you genuinely love them then you must be a true shia..

admit it queen you are doing taqiyya.

[hareem01]

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I think it's rude to ask others if they're Sunni or Shia regardless of their actions and thoughts.

[psyah]

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^ But it is okay to call them Wahabis

[Ibn_Sadique]

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My love & respect for Hazrat Essa A.S can not be ended just because Christians beliefs!! Its they who have whatever beliefs but to me HE is one of the messengers of Allah!! and I believe too that He will be back 40 years before this world to be ended!! so??

When did I say I want to go out for Matam and Attending Juloos. Hazrat Mohammad PBUH strictly forbade to moan more than 3 days for any reason. I am not in such favor!!

cmon now people thinking out of the way!! you people are mixing me!! I just said about Love for Ahl-e-bait.... does it make one shia?? thats it!! Having their love in your heart makes you a shia?? cmon! How can it be!!

queen_24 Salaam

"Loving the Ahlulbayt (as) is my religion and if loving the Ahlulbayt means I am a Rafidhi (Shia), then there is no bigger Rafidhi (Shia) than me in the world." Imam Shaf’ee

Note: Blessed Prophet’s (saw) wives (May Allah be pleased with them all) are part and parcel of Ahlul Bayt (raa)

[Ibn_Sadique]

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@Ma_Mooli

Of course! If you genuinely love them then you must be a true shia..

admit it queen you are doing taqiyya.

Salaam Ma Mooli How do you know she is doing taqiyya - and don’t give her any ideas

[queen_24]

Re: I am not Shia!!

@Ma_Mooli

Of course! If you genuinely love them then you must be a true shia..

admit it queen you are doing taqiyya.

Now I even dont know what Taqiyya is? how do you know? are you a shia??

Knowing them, loving them or BEING them are entirely different things!! BTW in others words, you mean to say, you dont love THEM?? because if me loving them proves me a shia, and if you NOT shia then…

[Ma_Mooli]

I am not Shia!!

No no we are on the same page on that one thats why i said you are a shia in taqiya.

[rari389]

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maybe your friend has never had a "Shia" friend and hence takes you to be one for talking about the ahlelbait in such a manner?

P.S I am always amused at that one poster who makes it a point to bash the shias in every thread that even mentions shias in the titles lol

[aqeel123]

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@queen_24

Why is it to be that way? I was lately in discussion with one of my friend who is, like me, a Sunni. I just feel so bad that if we have aqeedat-o-aihtaraam for Hazrat Imam Hussain R.A & Hazrat Imam Hassan R.A, and also Hazrat Ali R.A, why do people think we are shia?? We were going through a religious conversation in between we started talking about Them and she just asked me of nowhere, are you shia?? It was really something strange she could ask!! Also, when I told her I wish to visit Iran and Iraq for different Rozas, she was like, why?? no Sunni would want to and why you!! Is it true? There must be a lot of sunni around, do you wish to visit the Roza-e-Mubarak in there??? She said, you are talking like shias.. why would I? Can only Shia love them? Both Imam R.A were Hazrat Mohammad PBUH's grandsons.. not only this, they are Jannat ke sardar.. so whats a question in that?? How would someone take them ordinary??

P.S. I am really not a shia!!

Be Optimistic about it.... BE thankful that u weren't mistaken for being shia in Northern Areas of Pakistan. Atleast ur freind let you walk back home on ur legs :).

[bao_bihari]

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^ Bhai , it is better that you keep this rona peetna out from this discussion :)

[queen_24]

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^ :k:

[aqeel123]

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^ Bhai , it is better that you keep this rona peetna out from this discussion :)

Kion, agar koi aur bhi Zikr ker day to bhi bura lagta hai ?

[Kinzz]

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Be Optimistic about it.... BE thankful that u weren't mistaken for being shia in Northern Areas of Pakistan. Atleast ur freind let you walk back home on ur legs :).

I really don't understand what u mean??

Can you please elaborate ?

[psyah]

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@aqeel123

Kion, agar koi aur bhi Zikr ker day to bhi bura lagta hai ?

Bass kissee aur ki zikr karney zarroorat nahein … sirf Allah (SWT) ki … :rotato: … Aur Rasool-e-Paak ki yaad …

[queen_24]

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I didnt understand that too!