I am nobody's poodle

[Different]

Re: I am nobody’s poodle

@antiobl

Well you follow the rules of your club. If you want to be in US club, follow their rules, otherwise find another club that has similar (preferably more) financial and military strength.

p.s. US club is like any other club. For example (if you have financial ability) then join one of the Pakistani clubs like Sindh club, or the ones in Lahore, or Islamabad . Each of these clubs, expects its members to pay the dues, follow the dress code and its laws of general behavior and conduct.

Hmmm, when the army does it, its sensible, when a politician does it, he’s bashed.

double standard:
A set of principles establishing different provisions for one group than another

[antiobl]

Re: I am nobody's poodle

@Different

Hmmm, when the army does it, its sensible, when a politician does it, he's bashed. .....

Yes indeed! As a nation we ought to come to terms with the requirements of our club (that just happens to be US-club). However at this stage if Army is following the rules, they are doing sensible things.

In future when we get poltiko rule in Islamabad, they must follow the club rules as well.

[Captain1]

Re: I am nobody's poodle

@antiobl

It is a simple concept unless you want to snub Pakistan over and over (pretty obvious from your use of the term terrorist and then putting justifications of it, and putting Pak flag as avatar may not help much).

You are acting just like the goras "why does the world hate us" without realizing that its the policy of the government which is the real target of the world. Its the same case here, I don't like the government and I criticize and you cry as if I hate Pakistan. Wakeup dude, I love my country and thats one of the reason I criticize its bad actions because I want it to be prosperous and competitive in rest of the world but doing so should not require us to sell our souls or body.

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And you would quote JI for "Pakistan's official stance" on America. Man! Get your references straight.
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Well if you like, I can quote your love-of-life medias like Fox, CNN :p ... and no! Jamat Islami is just a crap to me so I wouldn't look at what they utter anyway.

I see your references as being challenged, you were either living on Anarctica or somewhere when the news were being published each year post 1990 when Pakistan was being branded terrorist by US... read Sabi's post and Pressler amendment, there was one more amendment which I can't recall now. There was a reason why we never got F16s, but barely some corn and soya bean.

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Pakistan only suffered from severe US sanctions under two circumstances:

1. Pakistan did something that negated US interests (1965 war, nukie sale to tribals of Arab or Irani origin).
2. US asked something that negated Pakistani sensitivities and Pakistan refused to entertain US pleas (Gulf War-I). [/quote]

Of course this was bound to happen and will happen. We HAVE to stop relying on US alone, just like your own mantra regarding China's dependence on US.

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For the rest of the time, either there were no sanctions or even if things were not rosy, it was more like "Uncle Sam" saying Come-on bud, you are not supposed to that. Don't do that again otherwise I'll be unhappy with you.
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and that bud sends missile our way without seeking any permission or acknowledgement AFTERwards.

[antiobl]

Re: I am nobody's poodle

@Captain1

... I want it [Pakistan] to be prosperous and competitive in rest of the world but doing so should not require us to sell our souls or body. .....

Bodies are sold by individual prostitutes living or working in bad (or foreign) areas (or lands).

Nations on the other hand, come together for "mutual" benefits. I hope you understand the finer aspects of diplomacy.

[Captain1]

Re: I am nobody's poodle

@antiobl

Bodies are sold by individual prostitutes living or working in bad (or foreign) areas (or lands).

I didn't mean it that way but you really want to mean it this way then there are few more twists, do you remember "Leghari" family catching someone and handing over to US for money? yeah, that was literally "selling a body".

[antiobl]

Re: I am nobody's poodle

@Captain1

.... do you remember "Leghari" family catching someone and handing over to US for money? yeah, that was literally "selling a body".

So you want to support those who live and commit crimes in EU, and US. Not just ordinary crimes like mugging someone for $10.

We are talking about serious crimes including terrorism. Then you support those who after committing these crimes, put their tail in the legs and run for Pakistan. So now you want us to keep these terrorists safe in Pakistan? Really strange logic my friend!

Just a reminder to all those NRPs living in EU and US. Obey the law and do not commit acts of terrorism. You have already sullied our names by following the lawless people from Middle East.