Re: I am nobody's poodle
Moral of the story! Do not dole out bunch of Bull and do not be a jack @$$. They all are going to be eaten.
The best thing is to keep your army strong, and join the leapords.
The day you destroy your army, you will be worse than even the Bull$hite and for certain a dish on leopord's dinner table.
p.s. Turkey's ex-PM once said, you have two choices to be at the dinner table: you could get a chair and enjoy the meal, or you could be a dish on the table.
Re: I am nobody's poodle
^or you could be the dinner at the table after you settle in a chair at the table....
Re: I am nobody's poodle
Well everything is possible if we let our Mullahs continue to define our policies.
As long as we keep our army strong, and pro-West, there is no way we'll let you become a dish on the table. You all NRPs are especially safe thanks to the secular, and moderate European and American laws. (Well unless you are selling ice-cream in Lodi California).
Re: I am nobody’s poodle
Says who? You? Who are you?
Pakistan is supposedly an Islamic Republic, and its constitution clearly states:
Whereas sovereignty over the entire Universe belongs to Almighty Allah alone, and the authority to be exercised by the people of Pakistan within the limits prescribed by Him is a sacred trust;
And whereas it is the will of the people of Pakistan to establish an order :-
Wherein the State shall exercise its powers and authority through the chosen representatives of the people;
Wherein the principles of democracy, freedom, equality, tolerance and social justice, as enunciated by Islam, shall be fully observed;
Wherein the Muslims shall be enabled to order their lives in the individual and collective spheres in accordance with the teachings and requirements of Islam as set out in the Holy Quran and Sunnah;
Re: I am nobody's poodle
Pakistan is supposedly an Islamic Republic, and its constitution clearly states: .....
We all know what constitution says. Our country's biggest responsibility is to keep our citizens safe, and prosperous. And at every cost.
What's your point?
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As long as we keep our army strong, and pro-West, there is no way we'll let you become a dish on the table. You all NRPs are especially safe thanks to the secular, and moderate European and American laws. (Well unless you are selling ice-cream in Lodi California).
It doesn't only take "mullahs" to destroy a country, take Bhutto's nationalizations in 70s, take NS and BB's circus from 1990-1998, what great achievements they made? They successfully dented our national exchequer as much as time permitted. Ziaul Haq was an army man, what greats he achieved in 1977-1988? Nothing, except for the creation of MQM (national divide based on ethnicity), showing cheap mullahs how to use Islam for their political gains etc. Its just Musharraf's time where we are getting some bucks from outside for bending over, and when they are out of juices ($$$) even bending over will be of no help.
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You got it dude! The above post was written for near future (and not the past or distant fututre)
Well! I wish you had shown the same appreciation for history as you did with a reference to Bhutto's nationalization.
Thanks to Pakistan Army's pro-West stance, we always had money. Ayub's time lotsa money, Zia's time lotsa money, Now Musharraf's time, again lotsa money.
West will never run of projects as long we have bhonpoos in Middle East like Ahmadenejad. *It is up to us to cooperate on "projects" or "contracts" for defense services outsourcing.
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Areas in Pakistan (Punjab and Frontier) have been awarded defense outsourcing contracts since 1830s. What makes you think, West will throw away outsourcing contractors that have been tried and true for the last 176 years?
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I am not sure how the money flew in during Ayub’s time, but I think until now his era was the best Pakistan had in terms of economy, growth etc. During Zia’s regime we had money but it mainly due to help fund the war against Russia in Afghanistan. As soon as it ended we were branded the terrorist nation. So we can “side” with US as long as US needs us. As you said below OBLs, Afghanistan are all indirectly a fuel to our economy. But as soon as the “cleaning” is over on this side of border (west of Pak) we will be short of same cash flow as we have now.
nobody needs as many “bullets” these days as much as “missiles”, “rocket launchers” etc. so nobody is outsourcing their “defense” contracts to us unless you want to count Swaziland type countries. Only recently has US considered or included India for some defense contracts.. and that is INDIA (the MFN for US, IMO). Unless you have some information that I haven’t seen, what “contracts” are you really talking about?
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US has always outsourced defense contracts to Pakistan. It is a pity that grand intellectuals like yourself can't do anything except to put smileys or laughies.
Ayub's era: We were outsourced for airbase work in Badaber, supply of logistics for East Asian wars etc.
Zia's era: We got outsourcing of Afghan related contracts, for men and logistics support.
All the way to Gulf War-I, we got outsourcing contracts for pro-West Middle Eastern regions. We usually had a brigade strength deployment anywhere from Jordan to Saudi. Zia was the commander in Jordan when our troops beat the crap out of Palistinian Jihadis. Palestinian still remember that shoving.
Later Pakistani troops shared outsourcing with Philippine troops in Saudi Arabia.
Now Musharraf has several offers on the table. It is our leftie commie media that ridicules him for his role.
This is the type of ignorance pretty common among our "so called intellectuals" and you are just repeating the same bull.
Post Afghan era, we got several $tupid generals like Hamid Gul, and Aslam beg. These guys reneged on the outsourcing contract by refusing to redeploy our troops that were already present in Saudi Arabia. This was truly stupid, as extreme anti-American Arabs like Syria sent their troops to support Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.
That was the true reason for American frustration. Pakistani Nukes were in American radar from the very beginning. They never put sanctions until Pakistan started going bad on its promises.
Once you break your promises then what do you expect form the other party?
p.s. Your use of "terrorist" for my country is really offensive. If you are truly of Pakistani origin, then please avoid it.
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okay I get it, the logistics contracts, when I hear “defense contracts” in US it is more towards development and production of “real” defense needs.
Pakistan was under US sanctions all the way until this Afghanistan/Iraq war when some sanctions were lifted. What sanctions are you talking about?
Don’t blame me, blame your right-winger-fellows who Musharraf is in bed with. US has been calling Pakistan a terrorist country, even after 9/11 many media outlets, senators called Pakistan with that name, where were you then?
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[quote=antiobl]
Well everything is possible if we let our Mullahs continue to define our policies.
............... there is no way we'll let you become a dish on the table. ..............quote]
Yes those damn mullahs the 'center of evil' on this earth........:)
Murghay Ki Ek taang fits here beautifully.......
what does that mean ' no way we'll let you become'.........
Who is 'we'??????
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Knowing the Constitution and not upholding it is treason.
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We all can have our definitions. However outsourcing is just that! "outsourcing". Where you hire someone else to do the jobs that would free up your own resources (financial or personnel).
It is a simple concept unless you want to snub Pakistan over and over (pretty obvious from your use of the term terrorist and then putting justifications of it, and putting Pak flag as avatar may not help much).
And you would quote JI for "Pakistan's official stance" on America. Man! Get your references straight.
Pakistan only suffered from severe US sanctions under two circumstances:
For the rest of the time, either there were no sanctions or even if things were not rosy, it was more like "Uncle Sam" saying Come-on bud, you are not supposed to that. Don't do that again otherwise I'll be unhappy with you.
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No body’s Poodle
what does “terrorist” think 
http://www.alqalamonline.com/currentnews_view.asp?articleID=59
Moulvi sahib has some valid points..
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Are you saying that Pressler Ammendment did no harm of any significance to Pakistan?
It was adopted in 1985 after Larry Pressler (a senator from Sotuh-Dakota). Reagan had to certify each year that Pakistan did not possess a nuclear device and since Reagan was fighting the cold war with Ruskies who were in Afghanistan, he looked the other way and certified it each year.
After the cold-war ended, in 1990 Bush Sr. didnt feel the need to maintain the strategic relationship with Pakistan and the sanctions went into effect and stayed in affect throughout the Clinton years and ofcourse in 1998 further sanctions were imposed. It was not until 2001 that these Pressler sanction were lifted by Bush Jr (and we know why).
Here a refresher for you written by Maleeha Lodhi
http://www.defencejournal.com/april98/pakistanus.htm
Re: I am nobody's poodle
of course general musharaf is no poodle! a poodle is a gentle creature which harms no-one.
on the other hand musharaf is reponsible for genocide within balochistan and waziristan.
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He’s either a Pit Bull or a Rottweiler!
In 2000, the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) reported that 25 breeds of dogs were involved in 238 fatal dog bites from 1979-1998. More than 50% of the deaths for which the breed was known were caused by Pit Bull type dogs and Rottweilers.*
http://www.dogbitelegalcenter.com/resources/common-dogs.html
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[quote=5Abi]
Are you saying that Pressler Ammendment did no harm of any significance to Pakistan?
It was adopted in 1985 after Larry Pressler (a senator from Sotuh-Dakota). Reagan had to certify each year that Pakistan did not possess a nuclear device …[
You are talking about the same thing. Pressler amendment made no dent until Pakistan got under some $tupid @$$ bak-bak-bakwas generals like Hamid Gul or Aslam Beg.
As long Pakistan is part of the cold war with Ruskies or hot war in the Middle East, Pressler be damned, US admn. will be on Pakistan’s side.](“http://www.defencejournal.com/april98/pakistanus.htm”)
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Pls correct me if I’m wrong, but this is what I’m getting from your posts, Pakistan should always try to keep US admn. on its side, Pakistan should do that by supporting US in all its wars in this region?
Re: I am nobody's poodle
Well you follow the rules of your club. If you want to be in US club, follow their rules, otherwise find another club that has similar (preferably more) financial and military strength.
p.s. US club is like any other club. For example (if you have financial ability) then join one of the Pakistani clubs like Sindh club, or the ones in Lahore, or Islamabad . Each of these clubs, expects its members to pay the dues, follow the dress code and its laws of general behavior and conduct.