I know he never was in favor of western democracy but dont remember if he openly admitted Drones anytime before. I always believed that not a single drone attack is done without the knowledge of rulers whether its Musharraf, Zardari or NS.
Now regarding western democracy I dont see a single reason why it cant be applied in Pakistan.
Do you agree with ex-President Musharraf?
Musharraf admits he allowed US drone attacks in Pakistan Last Updated On 26 November,2014 About 21 hours from now
Former president said he is not anti-India but, he said, he believes in Pakistan’s interest more.
ISLAMABAD (Dunya News) – Former president Pervez Musharraf on Tuesday confessed to allowing American drone strikes into Pakistani territories. He said that democracy akin to that of United Kingdom and United States cannot be imposed in Pakistan, Dunya News reported.
In an interview to a British media outlet, Musharraf said that the allegations of high treason against him are politically motivated and that all the prosecution is seek revenge. He said he supports democracy but, he said, the democracy along the lines of United Kingdom and United States cannot be imposed in Pakistan.
“Every country has its own problems and conditions according to which it should function,” he said. “Western democracy will have to be adjusted according to the Pakistani environment”.
Answering a question, Musharraf said that he did not anticipate the challenges he would face upon return to Pakistan, adding that he believes the ‘justice’ and ‘truth’ will win.
Responding to another question regarding the drone attacks in Pakistan, he admitted that he had allowed one drone attack in Pakistani territory after he was shown evidence against a terrorist group. He said a total of 9 drone attacks were carried out during his tenure.
Former president said he is not anti-India but, he said, he believes in Pakistan’s interest more.
Re: I allowed Drones - Western democracy cannot be enforced in Pak: Musharraf
Yeh sawal.. Zardari ki gov't say bhi pooch laity.... same reason hai.. dono gov't army ko salute karti hian...
Zardari's policy was to conciliate to every one to safeguard his wealth. NS on the other hand was very vocal during elections time to get this coward, the violator of constitution, be hanged the moment he would come in to power. NS was humiliated by this tin commando who sent him from PM house to jail house for 25 years.
Re: I allowed Drones - Western democracy cannot be enforced in Pak: Musharraf
Its a lot of pressure my friend, lot of it. It'll take atleast 5 continuous democratic govts to complete their tenures successfully to be strong enough to stand against dictators. Its a premature system right now.
Re: I allowed Drones - Western democracy cannot be enforced in Pak: Musharraf
Its a lot of pressure my friend, lot of it. It'll take atleast 5 continuous democratic govts to complete their tenures successfully to be strong enough to stand against dictators. Its a premature system right now.
It will take zillions years if NS fails to take appropriate action. Some one has to start action without considering the consequences. agar kuch na kya to zalil hokar to phir bhi nikalna hay, why not do some thing brave and let the democracy takes its roots.
Re: I allowed Drones - Western democracy cannot be enforced in Pak: Musharraf
Zardari destroyed PPP in his five years rule and NS will destroy his PML(N) if this criteria is continued. IK will ultimately be winner in the next elections.
Re: I allowed Drones - Western democracy cannot be enforced in Pak: Musharraf
I do not see any news in above reporting, as nothing mentioned there is secret, or people do not know about.
Drone attack started in 2004. Until Musharraf was in power, before each drone attacks, Pakistan government was asked, intelligence sharing was done, evaluation of the situation was done, and then if Pakistan government wanted to act themselves than drone attacks were not allowed, and if Pakistan government decided that it is better that terrorists are hit by drone than they used to give permission and with consent of Pakistan drone attacks were carried out. After drone attack, Pakistan government used to take the responsibility.
Anyhow, once Musharraf became powerless, Dacu Zardari made agreement with USA that America can do drone attacks whenever they want, without any reporting to Pakistan authority, without intelligence sharing, without need for consent or permission before individual drone attacks, and without worrying about casualties, thus giving open-cheque permission for drone attacks to USA. We do not know, how much Zardari personal account got paid for such agreement, nevertheless, drone attacks started increasing exponentially, and reached over 1000 drone attacks in 2010 (at its peak), and same is true about increasing casualties (many were not even got reported).
Meanwhile, to fool Pakistani low IQ masses, who hate reading more than few lines and that also they could not understand, Zardari and other Pakistani thug politicians in government started pretending that they are innocent and USA is doing drone attacks without their knowledge, permission or consent. Surprisingly, many low IQ Pakistanis, who are in majority, bought their lies as if their claims are words of God.
Media, who were very vocal against drone attacks during Musharraf time, went mum … ‘jaisay unhay saanp soongh giya ho’. Again we do not know how much Zardari and his moral-less corrupt government paid to media to keep them quite.
Situation is not too different after thug Nawaz took over. Even though drone attacks has reduced compared to Zardari time, in last 18 months of this government, there were several times more drone attacks than entire Musharraf period.
As for Western democracy and Pakistan, Musharraf is right here too. In Pakistani type of democracy, people vote on basis of Bradari, Tasub, loyalty or fear of Sardars and Waderas (even when Sardar live on their blood and izzat), and above that, those who have control over some people get sold. On top of these influences that can never let any democracy to come, votes do not count when one talks about candidate winning election. Actually, election in Pakistan is not about getting votes to win, but major test in election is about who can rig the election most.
IQ of many Pakistanis, even those seems to be educated, are so low that most do not think and those who think believe that thinking would reduce their mental health. These people can accept any propaganda if it comes from their Sardars, Waderas, and pay masters … or come from any source if it is praising thugs and devils they worship and consider their demi-Gods.
In such environment that exists, talking about western democracy for Pakistan is just like talking about harvesting banana from cactus tree.
Re: I allowed Drones - Western democracy cannot be enforced in Pak: Musharraf
I don't understand why NS government is hasitant to take action against this stupid, corrupt, tin commando, who violated the constitution in 1999?
LOL
NS govt tried it earlier this year and here what had happened
1) First Mushy refused to appear in court and Army putting pressure on PM...
2) Then Mushy hiding in CMH... army still putting pressure on PM
3) Then Mushy finally appears in court ( apparently a settlement between army and govt to let him appear in court and then he can leave)
4) Mushy still couldn't fly out of Pakistan and then 19 April Happens, attack on Hamid Mir.. and GEO go all out for Naming ISI
5) Govt still didn't gave in.. and then comes IK & TuQ in London
6) Govt still didn't give in and 16 people were mercilessly killed in Model Town
7) And then comes the call for Dharnas and
8) 14 August onwards all we had is Umpire finger and Umpire's Call
9) then we heard that Mushy getting escape route
10) finally mushy got out of it by the latest ruling of the court...
So you were saying???
Had Govt continued with mushy, by now it was possible that NS would have been appearing in court for another "Hijack" case only this time they made sure 16 people were dead...
Re: I allowed Drones - Western democracy cannot be enforced in Pak: Musharraf
He has said that he allowed drones for recon purposes in the past but not for strikes. I think that the govt denied that when he was in power, though they could have said that the drones were being used to support the pakistani army.
PS Hijack case (basically made on not allowing PIA plane to land) was real but mysteriously the blackbox is gone when ifti heard the case recently. I know people in PAF and nawaz did put containers to make sure that the plane didn't divert to somewhere else. I think that it was supposed to go to nawabshah for his arrest? PM can let go of generals but the way CTBT went about doing it is utterly stupid and reckless but then you actually see the takht-e-lahore mentality at play with them. If he had allowed transparent investigation of the 5 seats, even if it meant loosing some prime seats in stronghold, then the dharna would have been less relevant.
What an irony that MQM seems more mature than PML-n these days! Btw, the necklace case is up in swiss courts (they say it is owned by bhutto zardari family) so lets see if the Dar will fulfill his promise of bringing back loot from abroad. It should be an easy case since zardari has refused to claim it in the past, so lets just sell them and put that money in the treasury.
Re: I allowed Drones - Western democracy cannot be enforced in Pak: Musharraf
I know he never was in favor of western democracy but dont remember if he openly admitted Drones anytime before. I always believed that not a single drone attack is done without the knowledge of rulers whether its Musharraf, Zardari or NS.
Now regarding western democracy I dont see a single reason why it cant be applied in Pakistan.
Do you agree with ex-President Musharraf?
Drone permission to attack Pakistan is an open secret. As for democracy in Pakistan, yes it is highly unlikely that it will succeed here anytime soon. Reasons being feudal lords, waderas, status quo political parties, justice system, and many more to add. But the alternate is not any good either.
Re: I allowed Drones - Western democracy cannot be enforced in Pak: Musharraf
This traitor sold Pakistan , Pakistanis including women and children to US . Sold Pakistan with no price but received price of every Pakistani .
Pasha Saheb, What is your view about two traitors who harmed Pakistan a lot?
Do you know the deeds of two most notorious traitors Pakistan ever had, both of whom harmed Pakistan a lot, certainly one of them harmed Pakistan more than any Pakistani, and both are buried in Ghari Khuda Bakhsh. They are Z A Bhutto and BeNazir Bhutto.
Z A Bhutto aided, abetted and collaborated with Sikandar Mirza, Ayub Khan and Yahya Khan, so, he should be hanged several times on article 6 as aider, abettor and collaborator, as he helped subvert Pakistani 1956 constitution numerous times. Later in life, this guy broke Pakistan colluding with Yahya and India. In UN this traitor Bhutto torn Poland resolution on 15[SUP]th[/SUP] December, that could have saved Pakistan and after tearing the resolution, this traitor had arrogance to boast that Pakistan would fight for 1000 years, when next day (rather few hours later, on 16[SUP]th[/SUP] December, Pakistan surrendered in East Pakistan.
Then with the help of armed forces (or colluding with officers of the armed forces), he got rid of Yahya Khan and became CMLA (should be hanged for that too), then brought Pakistan army into politics by making ISI political wing, and then made notorious ‘FSF’ inducting mostly criminal Jiyalas in the force and through that organisation attacked and killed many opponents, then this traitor went to Simla (India) and sold Kashmir … giving Kargil heights to India (that was strategic heights as it was overlooking India’s military movements from Kashmir to eastern battleground facing China and Siachin (Pakistan), and then agreed to covert ‘cease fire line’ to ‘line of control’ that in effect recognised division of Kashmir into Indian held Kashmir and Pakistani held Kashmir.
Bhutto’s daughter Benazir Bhutto was greedy, corrupt and thief, but may not have harmed Pakistan as much as her dad (or people like Zia), still this traitor harmed Pakistani interest in several ways. Apart of looting, plundering and destroying Pakistan (along with her Husband Dacu Zardari, and associate in crime, Thug Nawaz) in many ways.
This traitor in an interview to BBC admitted that she assisted Rajiv Ghandi in his fight against Sikh separatist (according to report, she gave names of separatists Pakistan had, even though those names were Pakistan state secret, and India used those names to crack down the movement)... that harmed Pakistani interest as independence movement in Indian Punjab was beneficial to Pakistan because their success meant end of Kashmir issue (Only viable access of India to Kashmir is through Indian Punjab) and possibility of Indian Punjab joining Pakistan. Later, she increased division in Sindh through various prejudice actions and laws, and then created Taliban to stand against Zia’s so-called Mujahadeens government in Afghanistan. Creation of Taliban harmed Pakistan, Pakistani stability, and Pakistani interest a lot, that is still harming Pakistan today.
Re: I allowed Drones - Western democracy cannot be enforced in Pak: Musharraf
LOL
NS govt tried it earlier this year and here what had happened
1) First Mushy refused to appear in court and Army putting pressure on PM...
2) Then Mushy hiding in CMH... army still putting pressure on PM
3) Then Mushy finally appears in court ( apparently a settlement between army and govt to let him appear in court and then he can leave)
4) Mushy still couldn't fly out of Pakistan and then 19 April Happens, attack on Hamid Mir.. and GEO go all out for Naming ISI
5) Govt still didn't gave in.. and then comes IK & TuQ in London
6) Govt still didn't give in and 16 people were mercilessly killed in Model Town
7) And then comes the call for Dharnas and
8) 14 August onwards all we had is Umpire finger and Umpire's Call
9) then we heard that Mushy getting escape route
10) finally mushy got out of it by the latest ruling of the court...
So you were saying???
Had Govt continued with mushy, by now it was possible that NS would have been appearing in court for another "Hijack" case only this time they made sure 16 people were dead...
If this is the case, PML(N) is moving toward disaster like PPP, if it is scared to take bold decisions. Next time IK's PTI will be the winner. Solution: After court decision on violation of constitution and implementing that decision , NS should announce mid term polls. All above will be diluted.
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If this is the case, PML(N) is moving toward disaster like PPP, if it is scared to take bold decisions. Next time IK's PTI will be the winner. Solution: After court decision on violation of constitution and implementing that decision , NS should announce mid term polls. All above will be diluted.
NS have three options
1) Do what Zardari did and forget about elections in 2018
2) Do what you are saying - and go for mid term
3) Do what Tayeb Ardagan did... perform, limit his role and just perform and get them out of the equation for good...
the best thing for the country would be 3rd option... although i doubt NS can do what Tayeb have done
However item #2 is also not that easy. Conducting fair and impartial elections like in 1970 is a gigantic job, only army can ensure that without involving itself in election process. Otherwise repeating the same cycle will ultimately lead Pakistan to ‘Twilight Zone’.
