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CA, any type of restaurant from the Rain Forest Cafe to East Side Mario's serve alcohol and will have a section which is designated as a bar. In fact, the majority of coffee places serve alcohol too. Just check out the menu and you will see exactly what I'm on about. However, people don't just go to drink .... they go to eat too! :) I don't think it would kill you or make you any less of a person/Muslim to actually go into a restaurant one day, have a coke, and actually see the environment for yourself. I'm afraid you are making assumptions when you haven't really experienced any of these places (based on what you have posted). **I think it is a bit unfair of you to say these places smell of alcohol when in fact they don't, and more importantly, you haven't experienced it for yourself.*
Clubs are another issue altogether. They are loud, smokey, etc. There you WILL smell alcohol, but again, nobody forces you to do anything you aren't interested in. I won't push on that matter since I'm pretty much in agreement with Munni on that one. :)
As for office parties ... it is optional to attend. I have no problem going and mingling with people even if they do have a glass of champagne in their hands. I wouldn't treat somebody differently or with disrespect if they choose to have a drink while at an office party.
On a side note, I too have been to concerts and even outdoor festivals where there has been alcohol being served and sold. :)
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Mehnaz, I know what you're saying and I agree with you. I was only trying to say that you can't really compare restaurants with clubs because there's a huge difference between these two. One is a decent place and the other one is not, don't you think?
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actually to me there's no fun sitting in a place that smells like wine or beer(music or no music)
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*Originally posted by sadzzz: *
CA... u dont even have to try it.. lekin just be a bit more open minded about the assumptions being made... its like 'dont judge a book by its cover' :)
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hmm do you think I'm exaggerating about clubs,etc? seriously, I wanna know....I'm sorry if I am..I haven't really been to any so maybe I'm wrong but then Munni is saying the same thing that I said...:)
I would have to disagree. Indecency can occur anywhere ... in a restaurant, in a club, on the street or in schools. I presume you are still referring to alcohol. Trust me, if somebody was going to be indecent, it can and will occur anywhere.
Anyway, how about restaurants that clear all the tables and turn into clubs after 10:00 p.m.? :p
CA, I have actually been to some really classy clubs. The lights stay low, there are sofas everywhere where people can mingle and there is a wide open dance floor so that people actually have room to dance. Not all places are the way you have described.
Wow…you girls have been to a lot of places… anyways, I know I can find a decent club and I can also find restaurants that are indecent IF I try hard… Ofcourse:hehe: BUT…generally clubs aren’t decent places… now quit arguing you ladies!!
Well I don't go clubbing. I'm certainly no expert as I have only been a few times. I don't think all of them are indecent though. You just have to know the right ones to go to. Some can be cheap and tacky ... while others can be quite nice and classy which are generally geared to more of a mature crowd .. meaning mid to late 20s. :)
Anyway, try not to judge so easily in the future. :)
yeh same as Mehnaz.. i havent been to THAT many places.. probably 3-4... and i agree not all of them are indecent... ive been to a few cool cafes like the clubs Mehnaz described.. and they are quite decent..
and its not that most clubs are indecent.. laugon ne aise hi isko ithna barha issue banaya hoowa hai.. i mean people dance and drink.. and most people dont even drink when they go... and in any case.. the thing is people have made out dancing as a very bad thing.. issileeye a place where u dance is considered indecent...
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*Originally posted by CurruptAngel: *
I've never been to bars and stuff...can someone explain what is so cool about going to clubs/bars?? I mean you can hang out with your friends in so many places but why a place where people are drinking? or do you go there just coz your friends wanna drink??
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Keep in mind that there is a difference between a night club and a pub. I am not a club person, it's never been my thing. However pubs are like restaurants, where people sit down with friends, have a meal and a drink and socialize. Personally, there is nothing cool about going to Night Clubs, although it may be for some. Also, every restaurant serves alcohol if you didn't know already.
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*Originally posted by CurruptAngel: *
Mehnaz, I know what you're saying and I agree with you. I was only trying to say that you can't really compare restaurants with clubs because there's a huge difference between these two. One is a decent place and the other one is not, don't you think?
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How can you make that assumption, when you haven't been to one? There are many very classy night clubs out there.
I don’t think company has a lot to do with person’s behavior – Sometimes it does matter – sometimes it’s not – I mean I hang out with friends who go to club like I do – who drinks(alcohol) but I don’t — who smokes regularly (I do rarely) – It’s the choice you made – No one force you to go club, drink and smoke pot with your friends or whoever it is – In the end it’s all upto you what you wanna do.
You can be a gentleman among nuts or you can be a nut among gentlemen – The choice is yours!
My question was 2-track; I first asked whether you would keep the company of people who drink, whether it be socially or on a regular basis and the second was, whether you'd go to an event where alcohol played a predominant role and most people were more than just a little merry.
If we were to see it from a religious perspective, then it's quite clear that Muslims should stay as far away from alcohol as possible, ie not associate with those who drink, don't go to bars/restaurants/parties where alcohol is sold or served.
I see that a lot of the older guppies have no problem if alcohol is served at their table, but they wouldn't appreciate the atmosphere of a rowdy party or club.
Some of us stay away completely from alcohol and people who drink.
And some of us have no problem going to parties or clubs and where there's free-flowing alcohol.
Supreme advantage: It keeps me off from committing other sins in the book like Al-Quran! The kind of sins sober people commit generally and even don’t realize them.
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**I see that a lot of the older guppies have no problem if alcohol is served at their table, but they wouldn't appreciate the atmosphere of a rowdy party or club.*
Maybe its the older guppies' experience talking. You will not be able to avoid it, people will respect your choices but they will not stop because of you. whether it is a happy hour with colleagues after work, a company dinner, a benefits or recognition event. Your choice will be to not attend then..and the world simply does not work that way. You will not be forced to drink but using that as a basis to not attend events where alcohol is being served is not practical.
Some of us stay away completely from alcohol and people who drink.
hopefully those some of us stay away then from ppl who are involved in other acts which are not liked..back biting, cheating, shirk etc etc. right?
as noted by some wise person, many restaurants serve alcohol, oh and btw so do most airlines. staying away from alcohol is not the same thing as staying away from a place that serves alcohol.
If you want to stay away from alcohol, you can do it at a frat party..and if you dont want to stay away from it, you can get it at any restaurant or gas station almost. Its a question of choice.
How can you make that assumption, when you haven't been to one? There are many very classy night clubs out there.
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A night club is what it is and every night club serves its purpose, doesn't it? I don't like the things that go on in clubs whether they're classy or cheap; they ALL have the same purpose and that's why I think they aren't decent(my personal view).
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*Originally posted by cat-woman: *
^ You're right. A nightclub is a nightclub...use any euphemism you want, they're essentially the same.
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A night club is what it is and every night club serves its purpose, doesn't it? I don't like the things that go on in clubs whether they're classy or cheap; they ALL have the same purpose and that's why I think they aren't decent(my personal view).
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I am very interested to know what exactly you think goes on at night clubs that doesn't occur anywhere else. I hope you realise that the same "things" that go on at night clubs often happen on school campuses too.
anyways, I know I can find a decent club and I can also find restaurants that are indecent IF I try hard… Ofcourse:hehe: BUT…generally clubs aren’t decent places…
now quit arguing you ladies!! 
----- and woman is not – j/k
Being drunk 24/7 is my business!