husband or parents?

ok a very close friend of mine is in a dilemma these days …she is happily married and living with her her hubby and his parents in pak. both hubby and wife have stable jobs, no kids as yet. guy has 2 sisters, both married, one in another city in pakistan, the other in dubai. the hubby all of a sudden wants to migrate to canada, purely out of fear of what will happen to pakistan ten years down the line? he is worried, and says he wants to have the option to leave if required / if there is civil war / if he gets unemployed, etc. the wife is an ONLY CHILD. her parents do not have any brothers or sisters left; no close relatives either. she is not in favor of immigration for the obvious reason that she doesnt want to leave her parents here. she specifically refused all rishtas that came from abroad for the same reason. not that she clarified before marriage to this guy that she wud never immigrate, but then the topic never came up; and he never ever showed any interest in migrating.

she is truly stuck between a rock and a hard place. her hubby initially said, i understand, they’re ur parents and therefore my parents, and just like we wont leave my parents here, we wont leave urs either, and so we wont migrate. however, he is now intent upon going abroad, saying, if we are canadian citizens, and we get laid off, at least we will get unemployment benefits, and of course we will get benefits for every kid born.

she just cannot figure out how to make him understand that just as he cannot bear to leave his parents behind - if, for instance, the canadian govt rejects his parents visa/immigration, they will come back and not live in canada, - similarly her parents hold equal importance for her. it is not so much that she is dependent on her parents, as the fact that she feels that, being an only child, she has to be there for her parents in their old age.

im at a loss as to what to suggest to her…but i do feel that parents take precedence in such situations…but how to convince the husband?

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very tricky dilemma … :chai:

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May be they can try for the visa.... if they all get the visa then they should all move together...
but not really sure what else to say!

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Perhaps a compromise? Try it out for a year or 2 and see how it goes.

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tough :(

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i think she should listen to her husband,,if someone hs 1 daughter or 7 ...one day they hv to b alone..

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Her husband is being very sensible in thinking about their future and their kids when they have them.

But then i also understand her point.....

Why dont they try a city in the middle east such as dubai, doha etc where the parents will be a 2 hour flight away and immigration may be easier?

very very tough dilemma!

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^ 2 hours away - is still really far :(

you cannot just go for an evening walk to parents home :(

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^ but its a compromise because she can visit 3-4 times a year instead of once a year or every 2 years and it costing loads and travelling 15 hours or something.

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Oo, that's a tough situation. We dont have sons in the family either - I face that situation. I will not be leaving the country, and if it means my husband leaves, he can leave. I stay. Who will take care of my parents in their old age?

Now if they're able to live on their own just fine, its one thing. She should give Canada a try, and see if she can have her parents immigrate there. That's what I'd do. I'd give it a try - you never know. Sometimes things work out. And its not like she's moving to a worse living situation - she'd be living in a better country and a better environment. But I'd understand if she breaks it off just so she can be with them. The other option is to go back and forth often to Pakistan and visit the parents.

How is it different than if you were to move cross country from your parents?

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The straight answer according to Sharia is Husband, she need to follow him wherever he goes.

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^^ dont be blind folded.. she need an advice and not a taliban action..

Indeed Sharia shay she should obey her husband but she can also ask him or convince him for the reasons. They thing is if the husband has love for her parents as he has for her then it can be possible. If it would be worst in Pakistan then it would be worst in canada too. Barish ghareeb ke aur badshah ke ghar pe barabar barasti hai. Also Islam says that running away in crutial time isnt allowed. To face the trouble either its Jihad or its a hoax or its a syndrom, its not in sense of running away.

@ alvena its better not to think of dubai. They have worst immigration system (any gulf country) No secure future as no job no stay system.

There are 3 possibilities left.

1: Forget migration
2: Take all along ( Husband, wife and parents)
3: He go alone leaving his wife to his and her parents.

She can discuss with husband not to migrate, but it still for his prerogative (i do not see he would disused because he is migrating for practical reason.

Taking alone is not an easy one, as Canada would not grant immigration to parents, but if the parents could qualify themselves why they should apply as well? (there are so many sachems like invester, enterpreanures to cover well off but less qualified peoples.

Going alone leaving wife, again according Canadian immigration, wife needed to remain in Canada for 2 years in every 5 years to maintain the immigration status. So leaving her is out of question.

On other side Sharia does not encourage long time separate living of wife and husband live (mainly to safe both parties from temptation of Zina) for practical reasons.

Once girl marries she has to priorities husband.

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It’s not really a tough one. She doesn’t want to move and as long as she sticks to that point he will have to come around to the idea of staying or taking her parents as well.

The straight answer according to Sharia is Husband, she need to follow him wherever he goes.

thats all very well, but should her husband be putting her in that dilemma in the first place?? he is aware that she is an only child, regardless is she ends up going cause "its the right thing to do" she will end up resenting this decision and more likely resent her husband for the move.

funny how he's ok to go for their future and the future of their kids, and he's ok NOT to go if HIS parents dont get their visa!!! what about her parents?????

what is she supposed to do? go play happy familys in Canada whilst knowing her parents are all alone??

Just because a girl has got married, that doesnt automatically programme her to forget or feel nothing towards her own family. how selfish of him. her husband has also a responsibility towards them, they gave him their only child in marraige, he should be the son they never had.

sorry to sound so harsh, but you only get 1 set of parents where as you can always get another husband

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How can this girl live a happily life in Canada when always at the back of her mind is the worry about her parents..

I have brothers and sis in laws but still feel guilty for not being able to look after my parents when I am working away from home and this is a semi permanent move..

Perfect answer !!! one thing i would like to add that she refused all foriegn rishtas just for this one reason and he must be aware of it and its not fair on his part to force her now . Now that she is married to him she is not left with much choice .....in technical terms i would call it breach of contract (verbal) ....I know the only contract here is marriage but he is deviating from the basic condition upon which she agreed to marry him.

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Really tough situation... im not the only child. but still leaving my parents and going soooo far away makes me mad... cz I know i'll miss them more than they'll miss me!

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Why doesn't he go for like a year or two. test the waters and then get her to join him (with parents in tow) in time.

As my mum always says 'Harr maslaye ka hal haye'

Religiously she is bound to follow him, and if you read OP originally he was also reluctant to immigrate for sake of his parents. But now decided to try this for sake of his family.

Knowing Canadian Immigration process, parents could not be sponsored until he stays at least a years and have minimum income and waiting period also terribly long.

In this case he is not being selfish as he is willing to leave his parents, and asking her same.

In This solution instead to making this to destroy an otherwise happy marriage try to found ways where both parties could satisfy their dreams.

I would suggest 2) Explore if parents could be qualified and any professional or business skills to apply for immigration.

I would like to share a story of one of my friend which is relevant to current case.

Long ago he went to Canada for study, as his family could not support him for his education, he ended staying longer in getting PR and Citizenship.

He returned back as soon as getting his Canadian citizenship, never to go back there. Here is married have children.

Now all his children born here but got their citizenship as Canadian laws grant automatic citizenship for foreign born children as long as one of the parent is Canadian Citizen.

All they need is to stay in Canada for 3 years to get citizenship, and they could return back after that, at least in this case their children would be secured.

That is the best i can think.