Re: husband or parents?
In the US Greencard applications for parents are processed pretty quickly. Is it the same in Canada? Would your parents move too?
Perfect answer !!! one thing i would like to add that she refused all foriegn rishtas just for this one reason and he must be aware of it and its not fair on his part to force her now . Now that she is married to him she is not left with much choice .....in technical terms i would call it breach of contract (verbal) ....I know the only contract here is marriage but he is deviating from the basic condition upon which she agreed to marry him.
Op clearly mentioned that although she was refusing foreign reshtas but this matter never discussed with him, so there is no breach of contract on his part.
In the US Greencard applications for parents are processed pretty quickly. Is it the same in Canada? Would your parents move too?
No!
Canada has free health care, they do allows parents but that is not their priority. It works very slowly.
But in this case it is not impossible as you can always appeal for as being the only child for the parents has a better case for Human and Compassion ground.
wow. thanks for ur advice, all of u, esp clothesmad and confucious and tipusltan. her parents cannot migrate as entreprenuers; neither can they get jobs there. i discussed ur suggestions with her. while she does feel he is being incredibly selfish by treating her this way now that they r married, hubby is still inisiting on going for a couple of years, getting the residency and coming back.
i guess she feels vulnerable coz u really dont know if he will be willing to come back after 2 years. he cud change his mind. but i guess she has to trust her hubby - if u wont trust ur life partner, who will u trust?
Re: husband or parents?
what do your parents think? I suggest applying for a visa for your parents.
wow. thanks for ur advice, all of u, esp clothesmad and confucious and tipusltan. her parents cannot migrate as entreprenuers; neither can they get jobs there. i discussed ur suggestions with her. while she does feel he is being incredibly selfish by treating her this way now that they r married, hubby is still inisiting on going for a couple of years, getting the residency and coming back.
i guess she feels vulnerable coz u really dont know if he will be willing to come back after 2 years. he cud change his mind. but i guess she has to trust her hubby - if u wont trust ur life partner, who will u trust?
mostly dont come back and leave their parents to their owns fate. If he is being so practical now then he should thing for his past (parents) and as well as future (kids) the best option will be to work hard n his own while living in Pakistan. Simple. If he know what is in his fate then (naozbillah) there is no need of GOD and everybody has their expected future.
She can discuss with husband not to migrate, but it still for his prerogative (i do not see he would disused because he is migrating for practical reason.
Taking alone is not an easy one, as Canada would not grant immigration to parents, but if the parents could qualify themselves why they should apply as well? (there are so many sachems like invester, enterpreanures to cover well off but less qualified peoples.
Going alone leaving wife, again according Canadian immigration, wife needed to remain in Canada for 2 years in every 5 years to maintain the immigration status. So leaving her is out of question.
On other side Sharia does not encourage long time separate living of wife and husband live (mainly to safe both parties from temptation of Zina) for practical reasons.
Once girl marries she has to priorities husband.
Living alone in canada and getting himself immigration and then taking the wife with is also an option.
Shariah also dont say to throw away parents on their fate. Shariah is also applied if the situation around you is also behaving on Shariah's way. People dont even want to offer you a glass of water and you are thinking to leave parents at their fate? What does Shariah says then?
Living alone in canada and getting himself immigration and then taking the wife with is also an option.
Shariah also dont say to throw away parents on their fate. Shariah is also applied if the situation around you is also behaving on Shariah's way. People dont even want to offer you a glass of water and you are thinking to leave parents at their fate? What does Shariah says then?
I agree that Sahria never encourage someone to ditch the parents, but in the end of the day, She still obliged to follow husband, anyway it is another debate and we should not waste our time on this.
On living alone side, let me explain you the process. When first applied for immigration it has to be combine for wife children (no parent and subines and children above 18 years of age if they are not studying in a recognized institution without a brake).
In this case whether she want are not but would still be part of immigration process.
Upon getting visa, both need to travel to Canada for officially "landing process", and one not to to accumulated 1072 days stay in Canada withing 4 years to eligible to apply for citizenship. So it would be stupid if he want to comeback after two years. He must continue to stay for 3 years, as soon as he completed his 1072 days could apply for Citizenship.
Once he got his citizenship he is free to live anywhere in the world for rest of life, only his citizenship would remain intact also the children born afterward anywhere in the world would be automatically Canadian Citizens.
For her even if she does not want to live in Canada, In order to maintain her Canadian PR, she need to accumulate about 2 years of 5 years in Canada. But anyone of them became Canadian Citizen. Then this condition does not applies as long as they are living together.
To me if husband is adamant on apply immigration, she should let him apply this, anyway the process could take as long as 4-5 years (things might change either way then).
In case of successful immigration, they need to make sure that one of them must stay in Canada till obtaining Citizenship (they are allows to travel but must accumulate 1072 days) before returning back.
In order to take care of parents she could spend her time in between Canada an Pakistan in such as way would not effect her PR status.
Once either one get his PR status then they could return to Pakistan, in this way they have given security to their children as well as fulfill their duty towards Parents (hope parents would also understands situation and willing so allow this temporary inconvienence).
Re: husband or parents?
^^ In order to take care of parents she could spend her time in between Canada an Pakistan in such as way would not effect her PR status.
If he had money to bear the expenditures then why he would have traveled to Canada? also maintaining such timely bond is mostly not possible as it cost a lot.
^^ In order to take care of parents she could spend her time in between Canada an Pakistan in such as way would not effect her PR status.
If he had money to bear the expenditures then why he would have traveled to Canada? also maintaining such timely bond is mostly not possible as it cost a lot.
Understand, i am offering various suggestion one need to see what is more suitable.
On other side, it is not only money which force people to move, there are many rich people also doing this.
It is security of your children, their future. Even my daughter is going to marry in Pakistan but i also told her, there is no issue for a young couple to stay anywhere in the world. But when they have their own children and always in fear for their safety and security. Then they would like to run away from here.
You really do not understand helplessness when you know u are right still need to beg for justice.
It is not money, it is not even parent (one always could find solutions, it all about next generation when one decided to move on.
I myself has good family business in Pakistan (my family business employs at least 100 peoples in Pakistan) yet willingly excepted a middle class life outside. Although Pakistan is only country where i want die, yet for sake of children i left.
In Pakistan we have privileged life yet, i am happy to tell my wife off that sorry could not purchase something because of my limited income here.
I lost money but at end of the i am proud, that my children brought up nicely, with high moral value, no air or trapping of upper class living. Alhamdulillah
I am not bragging but just explaining that money is not every thing people move for.
Re: husband or parents?
do u know hw ahard it is to take a whole family to canda n settle dere..its next to impossible..now they r throwing pakistanis out who hav been living dere fr 10 yrs + n who were going thru there process of canadian passpor.Pakis dream tth theyll reach canada n things will be rosses...if the husband gets a PROPER job dere..professional job i mean.I dont mean standing on the petrol pump n pumping gas!if he does get a proper job thn this girl shld worry otherwise he dreaming too much...if this topic is just on words thn ask her to not worry but if hes already started the procedure which BTW takes yearssssssss thn mayb she shld worry!
Re: husband or parents?
What do both the parents think, out of interest?