Re: Hundereds of Christians move to camps to avoid attacks by Hindu Extremists
Are people so poor in Shining Hindustan that their souls can be bought with some peanuts in such large masses?
yes that what happened, not to be personal, even your par dada (ancestors) converted for peanuts ( jobs in mugal/muslim ruler court)
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I'm not a anti muslim /anti christian or anti-what ever, i'm against conversion, 3 of my cousins are married to christians and one to a muslim, and no one is converted to any of the religion they follow their will i feel even telling a person about the religion is also like forcing to convert him
wow in terms of religion, your family is definitely very diverse and open minded. And I agree that it's very unfair and ethically not right for somebody to emotionally blackmail(that's how I see it when somebody gets you to change religions just so they could marry you) a person that loves them into changing his/her religion. Like Singh said, it is a numbers' game so the number of people in their religion would go up.
It's just cruel.
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Yes, I agree if christianity can provide anyone with good moral values and respectable life they should convert on their own. The problem comes when the missionaries start taking advantage of their poverty. Tell the people of the good things about christianity. Tell the moral values christians hold. Talk about Christian philosophy, and let the people decide. Don't take advantage of anyones poverty to get them follow your religion.
Just to make a point... Christians have always preached to the poor, its a part of their religion...
Jesus made it a point to emphasize that its the poor that will inherit the earth.
Jesus himself preached to the poor, and thats why he and his message became so popular...
So its not about taking advantage of the poor, Christians have always made it a point to appeal to the poor and destitute.
I dont understand how they are taking advantage of their poverty?
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Just to make a point... Christians have always preached to the poor, its a part of their religion...
Jesus made it a point to emphasize that its the poor that will inherit the earth.
Jesus himself preached to the poor, and thats why he and his message became so popular...
So its not about taking advantage of the poor, Christians have always made it a point to appeal to the poor and destitute.
I dont understand how they are taking advantage of their poverty?
that is right. but u should also take a note whether that is the intention or something else....i guess it is something else, otherwise all those crusades destroying civilizations wouldn't have taken place(which u know this).
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that is right. but u should also take a note whether that is the intention or something else....i guess it is something else, otherwise all those crusades destroying civilizations wouldn't have taken place(which u know this).
Well, I cant speak for the intentions of the missionaries... I dont think anyone can. I dont think anyone can judge intentions really.
As far as I know, the Missionaries, whatever their intentions, have helped people in one way or another... Very different from crusaders who slaughtered thousands in cold blood.
Many of these Missionaries might have a genuine belief that by converting these people to Chirsitianity, they are doing them favor...
And while I cant speak for the Indian govt, but instead banning Missionaries, the govt should tackle the problems that make the poor such easy targets for Missionaries to begin with...
Instead of banning them, their should be Hindu groups going out to do their own missionary work...
These riots and bans on Missionary work actually work against the Indian govt...
The fact that the Missionaries can get people to convert is first a crtique of Indian failures, but at the same time, its a testement to India's relgious tolerance...
I think India's tolerance should be more important and take precedence over what Missionaries are doing.
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Well, I cant speak for the intentions of the missionaries... I dont think anyone can. I dont think anyone can judge intentions really. As far as I know, the Missionaries, whatever their intentions, have helped people in one way or another... Very different from crusaders who slaughtered thousands in cold blood.
Many of these Missionaries might have a genuine belief that by converting these people to Chirsitianity, they are doing them favor...
And while I cant speak for the Indian govt, but instead banning Missionaries, the govt should tackle the problems that make the poor such easy targets for Missionaries to begin with... Instead of banning them, their should be Hindu groups going out to do their own missionary work...
These riots and bans on Missionary work actually work against the Indian govt...
The fact that the Missionaries can get people to convert is first a crtique of Indian failures, but at the same time, its a testement to India's relgious tolerance... I think India's tolerance should be more important and take precedence over what Missionaries are doing.
govt hasn't banned them. and should not also. and as far as intentions goes, missionaries indeed believe by converting to christianity a soul is saved and they will demean other beliefs/gods. It is a well known fact also to many people and I have absolutely no problems with that as everyone thinks his beliefs are correct and also as long as they too are okay if someone else does/gives similar treatment to their beliefs
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govt hasn't banned them. and should not also. and as far as intentions goes, missionaries indeed believe by converting to christianity a soul is saved and they will demean other beliefs/gods. It is a well known fact also to many people and I have absolutely no problems with that as everyone thinks his beliefs are correct and also as long as they too are okay if someone else does/gives similar treatment to their beliefs
I think they made some law against missionary work in Southern India someplace.
Im no fan of missionaries, I have seen some Christian travel shows in which these Missionaries go to India and the can be pretty arrogant...
But what I dont understand is why there arent Hindu missionaries out there? I know Hindus dont prostelatize but faced with the onslaught of so many Christian Missionaries, why arent you people organizing yourselves and going out to do the type of work the Christian missionaries do?
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govt hasn't banned them. and should not also. and as far as intentions goes, missionaries indeed believe by converting to christianity a soul is saved and they will demean other beliefs/gods. It is a well known fact also to many people and I have absolutely no problems with that as everyone thinks his beliefs are correct and also as long as they too are okay if someone else does/gives similar treatment to their beliefs
why do u think it should not be banned. Tell me. Is conversion the ultimate goal of religions. Its only in numbers and nothing else.
I being a born hindu can be very well characterized as a christian. I eat everything around. Dont believe in rituals. Dont admire that u need to be in temple to pray and resist the brahminical arrogance so widespread in hinduism.
And also I have big problem that everything one thinks is correct attitude. The missionaries going around saving the souls. I mean why. They are pretty adament about their belief because God said so. If Hitler wasnt put down, this day we would be believing in aryan superiority. They are brainwashed in the same way as some nut crack germans were brain washed. I am not against christianity. On the contrary I have high respect for it. But saving souls is a pretext to impose uniformity in the world. A religion which goes about recruiting people has the same issues. Few organization in Hinduism also does this (ISKON and VHP,BAJRANGDAL in orissa,gujarat etc). World is beautiful because of the difference that exist among us.
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why do u think it should not be banned. Tell me. Is conversion the ultimate goal of religions. Its only in numbers and nothing else. I being a born hindu can be very well characterized as a christian. I eat everything around. Dont believe in rituals. Dont admire that u need to be in temple to pray and resist the** brahminical arrogance so widespread in hinduism.** And also I have big problem that everything one thinks is correct attitude. The missionaries going around saving the souls. I mean why. They are pretty adament about their belief because God said so. If Hitler wasnt put down, this day we would be believing in aryan superiority. They are brainwashed in the same way as some nut crack germans were brain washed. I am not against christianity. On the contrary I have high respect for it. But saving souls is a pretext to impose uniformity in the world. An religion which goes about recruiting people has the same issues. Some organization in Hinduism also does this (ISKON and VHP,BAJRANGDAL in orissa,gujarat etc). World is beautiful because of the difference that exist in this world.
yea all brahmins are evil, arrogant modis aren't they........let's not generalize about a whole group of people like this. Statements like this just end up dividing us.
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I didnt say brahmins are arrogent, I said brahminical arrogence. The arrogence that comes about by following a blind faith.
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I didnt say brahmins are arrogent, I said brahminical arrogence. The arrogence that comes about by following a blind faith.
every faith is blind. Prove me wrong
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every faith is blind. Prove me wrong
blind faith as in "belief without true understanding, perception, or discrimination".
Re: Hundereds of Christians move to camps to avoid attacks by Hindu Extremists
why do u think it should not be banned. Tell me. Is conversion the ultimate goal of religions. Its only in numbers and nothing else.And also I have big problem that everything one thinks is correct attitude. The missionaries going around saving the souls. I mean why. They are pretty adament about their belief because God said so. If Hitler wasnt put down, this day we would be believing in aryan superiority. They are brainwashed in the same way as some nut crack germans were brain washed. I am not against christianity. On the contrary I have high respect for it. But saving souls is a pretext to impose uniformity in the world. A religion which goes about recruiting people has the same issues. Few organization in Hinduism also does this (ISKON and VHP,BAJRANGDAL in orissa,gujarat etc). World is beautiful because of the difference that exist among us.
I very much support freedom. I believe a society can progress only if there is freedom to preach/do anything no matter what it is(as long as it doesn't involve cheating, killing, robbing etc). This automatically means, every person of every religion(including hinduism, buddhism, jainism, sikhism) gets freedom to bang other faiths....Also, it is because of these conversions, hindus are setting aside their caste discriminations!..so indirectly it is reforming the society.
THere is one more reason. I am a harsh critique of christianity, islam and perhaps even hinduism. I don't and will not buy any of their "soul saving" go to hell or heaven 'mantra'. When i myself have been openly criticizing/seeing flaws in every religion, cannot really expect others not to do the same....
And let's put all mullahs, hindutva vadis, and missionaries into one room so that they deal with each other. All of them have the dream of making/converting india into a islamic, hindu and a christian country. And with that, hope they spare others in the process and they themselves neutralize each other.
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I very much support freedom. I believe a society can progress only if there is freedom to preach/do anything no matter what it is(as long as it doesn't involve cheating, killing, robbing etc). This automatically means, every person of every religion(including hinduism, buddhism, jainism, sikhism) gets freedom to bang other faiths....Also, it is because of these conversions, hindus are setting aside their caste discriminations!..so indirectly it is reforming the society.
THere is one more reason. I am a harsh critique of christianity, islam and perhaps even hinduism. I don't and will not buy any of their "soul saving" go to hell or heaven 'mantra'. When i myself have been openly criticizing/seeing flaws in every religion, cannot really expect others not to do the same....
And let's put all mullahs, hindutva vadis, and missionaries into one room so that they deal with each other. All of them have the dream of making/converting india into a islamic, hindu and a christian country. And with that, hope they spare others in the process and they themselves neutralize each other.
Violence does not only mean to punch someone on the nose. It can be vocal and can be in thought only.
Sometimes vocal violence can hurt more than physical one.
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^i know that it is.....but also know that i have to live with it and wouldn't hesitate to express similar resentment against other faiths.
Re: Hundereds of Christians move to camps to avoid attacks by Hindu Extremists
why do u think it should not be banned. Tell me. Is conversion the ultimate goal of religions. Its only in numbers and nothing else. I being a born hindu can be very well characterized as a christian. I eat everything around. Dont believe in rituals. Dont admire that u need to be in temple to pray and resist the brahminical arrogance so widespread in hinduism. And also I have big problem that everything one thinks is correct attitude. The missionaries going around saving the souls. I mean why. They are pretty adament about their belief because God said so. If Hitler wasnt put down, this day we would be believing in aryan superiority. They are brainwashed in the same way as some nut crack germans were brain washed. I am not against christianity. On the contrary I have high respect for it. But saving souls is a pretext to impose uniformity in the world. A religion which goes about recruiting people has the same issues. Few organization in Hinduism also does this (ISKON and VHP,BAJRANGDAL in orissa,gujarat etc). World is beautiful because of the difference that exist among us.
Freedom of relgion man.. Its a basic human right.
The people who convert do so by choice... Its their right to choose their faith...
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as is the famous quotation " Your freedom ends where my nose begin". Freedom of religion should not be made a license to trash other religion and play with their feeling. In a country with 35-40% illeterate people this freedom of preaching if taken out can save many lives and probably they can live to find if their souls can be better off converting or staying in the same religion. ;)
Re: Hundereds of Christians move to camps to avoid attacks by Hindu Extremists
as is the famous quotation " Your freedom ends where my nose begin". Freedom of religion should not be made a license to trash other religion and play with their feeling. In a country with 35-40% illeterate people this freedom of preaching if taken out can save many lives and probably they can live to find if their souls can be better off converting or staying in the same religion. ;)
Still, India is a secular country that nurtures the belief that freedom of relgion is essential...
For Christians, their bible tells them to spread the word of god, it part of their beliefs.. If you forbid them to prech their relgion, it impinging on their freedom of relgion.
So long as they do it politely and without openly being derogatory to other religions...
Still, my question is, why dont Hindus in India organize and beat the Christian Missionaries to the punch...
Do what the Christians are doing and preach to those who are most likely to be converted, the virtues of the Hindu faith?
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Let's see some simpler issues.
The archbishop of Chennai published a opinion that Catholic families should only send their children to Chatolic schools. Now everybody in India knows that majority kids in such schools are Hindus. From the time these schools were started, they have provided good education and while Christian kids may have some special classes, non Christian kids will have a different subject during that time. Now this guy comes and makes a statement such as this.
What happens next? If Hindus stop sending their kids to these schools, they will have to shut them down unless money comes from abroad.
Just like they bank on money coming from abroad to finance the bribery of poor communities for conversion.
WHAT IS WRONG IN STOPPING THIS?
Next - the imam bhukari of the Delhi masjid makes damaging remarks about India and. He also made a statement supporting Osama and Taleban. Nothing has been done to him.
Why are Christian and Muslim leaders able to make such statements and get away with it? Simply because they have come to realize that the Indian government will not dare strike against them, being afraid of minority vote banks. The Hindus, though majority are splintered and so have no rights.
The government can attack something as holy and well documented religious artifact as Sri Rama Setu? Now the same Sonia Gandi's government stopped major industrial belt development dozens of miles away from Agra because of what the road building and traffic will do to Taj Mahal.
Thousands of Hindu temples have lost their property ever since the DMK and similar parties took over the government and started appointing their people as trustees.
In this scenario BJP is the only party that is providing some measure of support for Hindus.
Hindus by nature are sathviks. They don't go around on war path even to defend this type of insults and onslaught. But this won't go on forever. At some point they will wake up.
I just hope it doesn't lead violent and bloodshed when that happens.
BJP and orgs such as that are necessary to stop this smouldering and stop the nonsense congress coalition where each particpant is newutralizing the other from accomplishing anything.
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Freedom of relgion man.. Its a basic human right. The people who convert do so by choice... Its their right to choose their faith...
No they don't. they are bribed with moneys that come from abroad.